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Charlena went to her doctor for her yearly checkup. After going over the results of Charlena's recent battery of routine blood tests, the doctor added, "There's a question I would normally ask someone in your age group, but I think I'll skip it." The doctor would have said this regardless of what the blood test results were, and the doctor was being entirely reasonable. How come??
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could Clarena answer it?
is the answer obvius to the doctor?
is Clarena a toddler, Child,teen, young adult, middle aged or senior citizen?
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Does the question rely on the presence of a particular organ she doesn't have, or isn't functioning? (Her uterus/ovaries?)
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could Clarena answer it? Yes, but her name is Charlena
is the answer obvius to the doctor? yes
is Clarena a toddler no, Child no,teen no, young adult no, middle aged possibly or senior citizen I don't know what is the cut-off point for this ridiculous euphemism, but Charlena is either middle-aged or old. She's at least 50 or so, & there's no upper sge limit ?
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Does the question rely on the presence of a particular organ she doesn't have, or isn't functioning? (Her uterus/ovaries?) no
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Is her gender relevant? Is the question medically relevant?
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Is she missing any body parts?
Is Charlena human?
Was the question relevant to sexual history or menopause?
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Is her gender relevant? Is the question medically relevant?
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Is she missing any body parts? no
Is Charlena human? yes
Was the question relevant to sexual history no or menopause? possibly but not necessarily
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You didn't answer Absinthe's questions.
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You didn't answer Absinthe's questions. Rectified, with my apologies
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Is her gender relevant?possibly but not necessarily Is the question medically relevant? yes
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Would the question ever be asked to someone in a different age group? Is the question one commonly asked during checkups?

Does the question involve: Diet? Pain? Muscles? Blood? Mental health? Does Charlene suffer from any conditions? If so, is the question one normally asked to people suffering from this condition, to people not suffering from the condition, or to anyone regardless of any conditions they may be suffering?
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Would the question ever be asked to someone in a different age group? Ever? Yes Is the question one commonly asked during checkups? Only for people over about 50 & not always even then

Does the question involve: Diet? no Pain? noMuscles? noBlood? no Mental health? yope or maybe noishDoes Charlene suffer from any conditions? noIf so, is the question one normally asked to people suffering from this condition, to people not suffering from the condition, or to anyone regardless of any conditions they may be suffering?
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Is it a question only asked of Female patients? Do men get asked the same question? Similar question for similar reasons, but different components?

Typical questions asked of female patients... (is it any of the following?)
Are you pregnant?
Do you smoke?
Are you sexually active?
When was your last _____ exam?
Have you donated blood recently? (And she's a known hemophiliac?)
When was your last period? (Probably hit menopause around 48 though?)
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Is it a question only asked of Female patients? Do men get asked the same question? Similar question for similar reasons, but different components?

Typical questions asked of female patients... (is it any of the following?)
Are you pregnant?
Do you smoke?
Are you sexually active?
When was your last _____ exam?
Have you donated blood recently? (And she's a known hemophiliac?)
When was your last period? (Probably hit menopause around 48 though?) None of those. Note that men get asked this question, too.
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Is the answer to the question obvious because of something physically visible on her body itself? Something she is wearing? Something she has with her? Someone she has with her? Her medical history?

You said it is not always asked of those in Charlena's age group. When it is not asked to those in her age group, is it because the answer is obvious? Is it only asked of those ~50+ when the answer is not obvious? Is it only asked regarding younger patients when the answer is not obvious?

Is it a question that the general population might find embarrassing to answer? Is it a question regarding previous medical history? Is the goal of asking the question (when it is asked) to determine whether or not something is happening right now in the patient's life?
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Is the answer to the question obvious yes because of something physically visible on her body itself? noSomething she is wearing? no Something she has with her? yopeSomeone she has with her? Her medical history? yope or noish

You said it is not always asked of those in Charlena's age group. When it is not asked to those in her age group, is it because the answer is obvious? sometimes Is it only asked of those ~50+ when the answer is not obvious?Well, why would any doctor ask a question when the answer is obvious? Is it only asked regarding younger patients when the answer is not obvious? see previous answer

Is it a question that the general population might find embarrassing to answer? No more than old people or menopausal women would Is it a question regarding previous medical history? Is the goal of asking the question (when it is asked) to determine whether or not something is happening right now in the patient's life? yope
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Does the question have anything to do with Charlena's previous medical history? To something she has previously told the doctor (assuming he's her regular doctor)? Is it obvious that she possesses something relevant? Or is missing something relevant? Perhaps he was going to suggest a mammogram, and she was flat chested so that he knew she'd already had breast cancer surgery? Am I OTRT? Would a non-doctor know the answer to this? Did the doctor know the answer at a glance, or did he have to examine Charlena first? Check her history first?
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Is the obvious answer to the question related to something Charlena did, or didn't do, or said, or didn't say, while in the waiting room earlier, waiting for the visit? Something she said either to the doctor's assistants or to the doctor himself before that moment? Something Charlene did or said to the people that made the blood tests whose results the doctort's now reading?

Wild guess: does Charlene have a siamese twin?
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...The doctor would have said this regardless of what the blood test results were...




Would he have said it regardless of whether he had seen that she had HAD one of those blood tests? What I mean is, perhaps the fact that a particular blood test had been carried out at all gave away something about her, regardless of the actual result of it.

If Charlena had walked into a random clinic and met a doctor who was a stranger to her as well as her medical history, would the answer to the question be obvious?

Is she using something like a hearing-aid?
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quote:

...The doctor would have said this regardless of what the blood test results were...



Would he have said it regardless of whether he had seen that she had HAD one of those blood tests? What I mean is, perhaps the fact that a particular blood test had been carried out at all gave away something about her, regardless of the actual result of it.yesish or yope

If Charlena had walked into a random clinic and met a doctor who was a stranger to her as well as her medical history, would the answer to the question be obvious? of everything else were the same, yes
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You missed some questions.

"Something she has with her"... is it an object? Something about her physical appearance? Something she is wearing?

Is Charlena's religion relevant? Ethnicity? Is she a member of a group? sect? community of sorts? club?
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You missed some questions.

"Something she has with her"... is it an object?not a physical object Something about her physical appearance? no Something she is wearing? no

Is Charlena's religion relevant? no Ethnicity? no Is she a member of a group? Who isn't?sect? irrel community of sorts? irrel club? irrel
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You missed my questions.

Is anyone besides Charlena and the doctor relevant? If so, one other person? Two? More?
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Does the question have anything to do with Charlena's previous medical history? noishTo something she has previously told the doctor (assuming he's her regular doctor)? yesIs it obvious that she possesses something relevant? yes Or is missing something relevant? no Perhaps he was going to suggest a mammogram, and she was flat chested so that he knew she'd already had breast cancer surgery? That's not it Am I OTRT? yesishWould a non-doctor know the answer to this? yes, if he had the same information Did the doctor know the answer at a glance, or did he have to examine Charlena first? neitherCheck her history first? yes
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You missed my questions. Reftified, with my heartfelt apologies

Is anyone besides Charlena and the doctor relevant? yesishIf so, one other person? Two? More? number is indefinite
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does the question relate to mental health? to forgetfulness? to mental faculties? to cognitive ability? to sleep patterns?

does the question relate to the possible onset of dementia?

is the reason it is not asked that the doctor knows the occupation of the patient? and assumes that no one doing that job could be having a problem such as the one the question identifies?

are you Charlena?

does the question relate to physical activity levels? and there is some obvious sign that Charlena is physically active?

does the question relate to diet? to smoking? to any kind of behaviour? that might affect health?

does the question relate to weight? to recent loss of weight?
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does the question relate to mental health? see next answer to forgetfulness? yesto mental faculties? see previous answer to cognitive ability? see previous answer but one to sleep patterns? no

does the question relate to the possible onset of dementia? yes

is the reason it is not asked that the doctor knows the occupation of the patient? no and assumes that no one doing that job could be having a problem such as the one the question identifies? no

are you Charlena?irrel

does the question relate to physical activity levels? noand there is some obvious sign that Charlena is physically active? no

does the question relate to diet? noto smoking? noto any kind of behaviour? nothat might affect health? no

does the question relate to weight? no to recent loss of weight? no
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so he decided not to ask a question about forgetfulness? would the question have been - do you find you sometimes forget things more often than in the past?

did he decide not to ask because there was some evidence that she was not forgetful? that she was forgetful?

the reason he didn't ask - because her physical appearance gave some clue that she was not forgetful? that her presence at the check up indicated that she was not forgetful?

which of these are relevant about her - her appearance? the way she spoke? her clothes? some accessory she was wearing or carrying? an accompanying person? something she said to him?

had she said something relevant to him which made him decide not to ask this question? something about what she had been doing recently? about her hobbies? about a previous appointment with him?
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so he decided not to ask a question about forgetfulness?yes would the question have been - do you find you sometimes forget things more often than in the past? no, but you're ORT

did he decide not to ask because there was some evidence that she was not forgetful? yesthat she was forgetful? no

the reason he didn't ask - because her physical appearance gave some clue that she was not forgetful? no that her presence at the check up indicated that she was not forgetful? no

which of these are relevant about her - her appearance? no the way she spoke? no her clothes? nosome accessory she was wearing or carrying? no an accompanying person? no something she said to him? yes

had she said something relevant to him which made him decide not to ask this question? yessomething about what she had been doing recently? yesish about her hobbies? noabout a previous appointment with him? no
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did she say something that showed she had a good memory?

had she asked a personal question of him that illustrated a very good memory for the previous time they had met? like asking after his children by name?
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Did she remember something he didn't? Like, "Doctor, you forgot to give me that questionnaire this time. You know, the one that asks whether I'm forgetful?"
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did she say something that showed she had a good memory? yes

had she asked a personal question of him that illustrated a very good memory for the previous time they had met? no like asking after his children by name? no
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Did she remember something he didn't? no Like, "Doctor, you forgot to give me that questionnaire this time. You know, the one that asks whether I'm forgetful?" no
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so now we just have to find out what she said - this could take some time....

was it a question? a statement?
did it relate to something she had done? somewhere she had been? someone she had talked to? something she had read? some hobby of hers?

did she use a quotation? recite something? did she recall some esoteric fact? some medical fact?
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so now we just have to find out what she said - this could take some time.... Not if you reread the puzzle statement

was it a question? no a statement? yes
did it relate to something she had done? yessomewhere she had been? yes someone she had talked to? nosomething she had read? yes some hobby of hers? no

did she use a quotation? no recite something? yes did she recall some esoteric fact? yopesome medical fact? yes
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did she make a statement about the blood test results? did she recall what they had been the year before? and was able to compare them? say they were the same for instance? or recall what she had been told about the normal levels of these tests?
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did she make a statement about the blood test results? yes did she recall what they had been the year before? no and was able to compare them? nosay they were the same for instance? no or recall what she had been told about the normal levels of these tests? no

but this is close enough for me to declare a
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Charlena had the usual battery of routine blood tests done before her annual check-up & had the results sent to her as well as her doctor. When her doctor couldn't find the lab report, Charlena recited the results (about 30 tests) from memory.The doctor wrote down what Charlena said. Then an assistant came in, having located the results. The doctor looked at the lab report, compared it with what Charlena had said, and added, "I think I'll skip the next question we normally ask patients in your age group. Have you been having any problems with your memory?" While this solution is a bit different from Kdoc's suggestion, hers would work as well, which is why I've spoiled the puzzle, thereby gaining an opportunity to post a nerw one you know where.

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