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Absinthe (Absinthe)
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Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They were pretty surprised when they realised she was dead.
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She = h/a/f?
They = h / a?
They = people she knows?
Family?
Friends?
Co-Workers?
Owners?

Dead = not alive?
Dead battery?
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She = h/a/f? Human, female, not adult.
They = h / a? Yes.
They = people she knows? Yope.
Family? No.
Friends? No.
Co-Workers? No.
Owners? No.

Dead = not alive? This.
Dead battery?
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So a child.
Murdered?
Illness?
Physical injury?
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So a child. Correct.
Murdered? Yope.
Illness? No.
Physical injury? No.
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They:
People she doesn't know who know her?
The reverse situation?

Intentional death?
Unintentional consequence of intended action?
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They:
People she doesn't know who know her? Define "know".
The reverse situation? No.

Intentional death?
Unintentional consequence of intended action? This.
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is she a baby who died either in or shortly after coming out of the womb?
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is she a baby who died either in or shortly after coming out of the womb? No.
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Is she a celebrity?
Royalty?
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Is she a celebrity?
Royalty? Neither of these.
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Had they thought she was alive? Were they present at the time? Had she been alive shortly before they found her dead? Did they see her die but thought something else was going on?
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Are "they" people who have never met her? Never seen her in person? Never seen her at all? Are they her godparents?

Were they surprised specifically by the fact that she was dead? By the fact that she ever existed? By the conditions surrounding her death?

Before she died, was she under five years old? under 10?
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Had they thought she was alive? Yes. Were they present at the time? Yes. Had she been alive shortly before they found her dead? Yes. Did they see her die but thought something else was going on? Yope.

Are "they" people who have never met her? Again, this depends on your definition of "met", but assuming you mean shaking hands and saying "hello, my name is X", then some of them are. Never seen her in person? No. Never seen her at all? No. Are they her godparents? No.

Were they surprised specifically by the fact that she was dead? Yes. By the fact that she ever existed? No. By the conditions surrounding her death? Could you reword this, please?

Before she died, was she under five years old? under 10? Under 10.
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Was she engaged in physical activity? a sport? Soccer? Softball? Gymnastics? Tennis? Tag? Buck-Buck? Dodge ball? Cow Tipping? Cattle Rustling? Police chase? (You can never be too careful with kids these days.)
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Was she engaged in physical activity? No. a sport? Soccer? Softball? Gymnastics? Tennis? Tag? Buck-Buck? Dodge ball? Cow Tipping? Cattle Rustling? Police chase? So none of these. (You can never be too careful with kids these days.)
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Did she die instantly? Was it a critical injury that if noticed sooner she could have been saved?
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Did she die instantly? No. Was it a critical injury that if noticed sooner she could have been saved? FA.
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So she didn't die instantly?
Did she die of some sort of injury?

Would it be helpful to figure out how she died? could the puzzle be solved without knowing?
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So she didn't die instantly? She did not die instantly, although death came quickly.
Did she die of some sort of injury? No.

Would it be helpful to figure out how she died? Yes. could the puzzle be solved without knowing? No.
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Death due to natural causes? Heart attack? Stroke? Aneurysms or some kind?

Death due to unnatural causes? poisoning?
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Sorry for separate posts, wanted to try and clarify what Kalira had asked before.

Was is surprising that the actions taken by "they" caused her to die? would these actions normally not be considered fatal?
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Death due to natural causes? Heart attack? Stroke? Aneurysms or some kind? None of these.

Death due to unnatural causes? Yes. poisoning? No.

Sorry for separate posts, wanted to try and clarify what Kalira had asked before. No problem. More posts makes me feel loved. :p

Was is surprising that the actions taken by "they" caused her to die? Yope. would these actions normally not be considered fatal? Correct.
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Was is surprising that the actions taken by "they" caused her to die? Yope.

"Yope" as in it could be both surprising and not surprising depending on who you are?

Then spread the love and go look at mine, i even got my friend CaesarAchillies involved because i thought he would bring some good ideas to the table.
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"Yope" as in it could be both surprising and not surprising depending on who you are? No.

I've been looking at yours. I admit I'm stuck. :/
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Were "they" conducting some sort of test? participating in a game? game show?

Was she also participating in this test? as the subject being tested? participating in the game? game show?
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Were "they" conducting some sort of test? participating in a game? game show? None of these.

Was she also participating in this test? as the subject being tested? Since there was no test, the answer to this is no; however, you're OTRT. participating in the game? game show?
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She was the subject of "their" observation?
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She was the subject of "their" observation? Define observation.
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Were they watching her specifically?
Were the listening to her?
Was she a part of some event that others were watching and or listening to?
Is this puzzle related to a real life event?
Was she on the radio?
Is this the lady that died from drinking too much water with out using the bathroom to win a Nintendo Wii?
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Were they watching her specifically? Yes.
Were the listening to her? No.
Was she a part of some event that others were watching and or listening to? Yope.
Is this puzzle related to a real life event? Yes, this really happened.
Was she on the radio? No.
Is this the lady that died from drinking too much water with out using the bathroom to win a Nintendo Wii? Haha, no.
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Are "they" a group of her peers?
Is she being observed for a specific reason? just randomly?
Are "they" interacting with her directly? indirectly?
Dose this situation take place inside? outside? dose it matter?
Are both "they" and "her" in the same location?

LTPF list of "unnatural deaths that don't cause injury" <-does this include any FA's?
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Are "they" a group of her peers? No.
Is she being observed for a specific reason? This. just randomly?
Are "they" interacting with her directly? This. indirectly?
Dose this situation take place inside? This. outside? dose it matter? Yes.
Are both "they" and "her" in the same location? Yes.

LTPF list of "unnatural deaths that don't cause injury" -does this include any FA's? I don't think this is how the list is meant to be used, since figuring out how she died is a crucial element of the puzzle. No FAs.
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Wasn't going the for the list just to see if the statement had any FA's. The list was just for a little LTPF bottom of the page pop-culture.

So we cleared that it is not a test environment, correct?
And that she is the only one being observed, correct?
And that some how their direct interaction caused her to die unnaturally with out injury, correct?
and that this interaction would not normally cause death, correct?

Dose the situation have any sort of religious basis?
Was her means of death asphyxiation of some kind?
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Wasn't going the for the list just to see if the statement had any FA's. The list was just for a little LTPF bottom of the page pop-culture. Oh dear. What can of worms have I opened?

So we cleared that it is not a test environment, correct? Correct.
And that she is the only one being observed, correct? Correct.
And that some how their direct interaction caused her to die unnaturally with out injury, correct? Correct.
and that this interaction would not normally cause death, correct? Yope.

Dose the situation have any sort of religious basis? No.
Was her means of death asphyxiation of some kind? Yes.
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Was the asphyxiation due the the inhalation of too much gasses aside from oxygen? obstruction to the airways?
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Was the asphyxiation due the the inhalation of too much gasses aside from oxygen? obstruction to the airways? This.
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Was the asphyxiation due to obstruction because of something lodged in the airway? allergic reaction that caused swelling to block the airways? or external pressure that forced the airway closed?

Was it an action taken "her" that was the direct cause the asphyxiation? with this action of hers being provoked by "them"? or was the asphyxiation caused by direct actions of "them"? (its late so if that makes no sense I'll be happy to rephrase it in the morning)
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Was the asphyxiation due to obstruction because of something lodged in the airway? This. allergic reaction that caused swelling to block the airways? or external pressure that forced the airway closed?

Was it an action taken "her" that was the direct cause the asphyxiation? with this action of hers being provoked by "them"? Neither of these. or was the asphyxiation caused by direct actions of "them"? Yes. (its late so if that makes no sense I'll be happy to rephrase it in the morning)
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We already know "she" is not adult...
Is "she" a small baby? toddler? kindergarten age? 1-4th grade? 5-8th grade? High school age?

Was the object obstruction airways foreign to the body? made of organic material? made by non-organic material? man-made? food? toys? some other object that is not either food or toys?
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We already know "she" is not adult...
Is "she" a small baby? toddler? kindergarten age? 1-4th grade? 5-8th grade? High school age? Her precise age isn't relevant, so assume she's 7.

Was the object obstruction airways foreign to the body? Yes. made of organic material? made by non-organic material? This. man-made? And this. food? toys? some other object that is not either food or toys? Some other object.
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Is it made of plastic? Is it a container of some kind

Would the object commonly be found inside the home? Can i buy it? if so would it normally come as a single item or several in one pack? Might i use this object on a daily basis if i were 7? if i were a member of "them"?

Was "she" injured in any way prior to her death by events unrelated to what caused her death?

Did "they" give "her" the item she choked on? did they force her to ingest it (or rather attempt to)? did "she" resist "them"? was there a fight or scuffle? did they encourage "her" to ingest it? was it something that she has ingested before?

I've been working so hard on trying to find some facts to this puzzle that will cause me to have an epiphany, that if some one else comes along and puts this all together before me at this point i would be sad.
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Is it made of plastic? Yes. Is it a container of some kind No.

Would the object commonly be found inside the home? No. Can i buy it? Hmm... possibly. It would be difficult to procure. if so would it normally come as a single item or several in one pack? It comes as a pack of individually-wrapped items. Might i use this object on a daily basis if i were 7? No. if i were a member of "them"? Yes.

Was "she" injured in any way prior to her death by events unrelated to what caused her death? Yes.

Did "they" give "her" the item she choked on? Yope. did they force her to ingest it (or rather attempt to)? Yope. did "she" resist "them"? No. was there a fight or scuffle? No. did they encourage "her" to ingest it? No. was it something that she has ingested before? No.

I've been working so hard on trying to find some facts to this puzzle that will cause me to have an epiphany, that if some one else comes along and puts this all together before me at this point i would be sad. You're doing very well. I think you're going to solve it soon.
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OH HEYY.
I forgot about this puzzle.

Is she in a school?
Is she on TV?
Is she by herself when she dies?
Is she at some sort of publicized event?
Did she swallow the item out of curiosity?
Did 'they' expect her to swallow it?
Did 'they' see her swallow it?
Did 'they' try to stop her?
Did 'they' want to see her reaction?
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OH HEYY.
I forgot about this puzzle. Lol.

Is she in a school? No.
Is she on TV? No.
Is she by herself when she dies? No.
Is she at some sort of publicized event? No.
Did she swallow the item out of curiosity? No.
Did 'they' expect her to swallow it? FA.
Did 'they' see her swallow it? FA.
Did 'they' try to stop her? No.
Did 'they' want to see her reaction? No.
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Are 'they' present when she swallowed the item?
Was she told to swallow it?
Is medication involved?
I.E:
Her mom told her to swallow the pill, but the daughter decided to swallow the plastic and paper/cardboard that the pill was wrapped in. Little did she know, the plastic was poisoned, and the poison constricted her air passages. When her mother told the doctors in the hospital that she had died, they were like, "Oh! We are very surprised. The pill is not harmful."

I don't know. I'm tired. :[
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OH HELL NO!

Is "she" in the hospital? some other sort of care center? was she in an accident prior to the events in this puzzle? if so how much time passed between the accident and the choking incident? seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years?

was this plastic item some sort of medical equipment?
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Are 'they' present when she swallowed the item? Yes.
Was she told to swallow it? No.
Is medication involved? Yes.
I.E:
Her mom told her to swallow the pill, but the daughter decided to swallow the plastic and paper/cardboard that the pill was wrapped in. Little did she know, the plastic was poisoned, and the poison constricted her air passages. When her mother told the doctors in the hospital that she had died, they were like, "Oh! We are very surprised. The pill is not harmful." Not this though. :p
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Did she swallow a pill / some sort of medication?
Solid?
Liquid?
Is she exposed to a gas?
So she's NOT being experimented on?
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Did she swallow a pill / some sort of medication? She has been given medication, but not in pill form.
Solid?
Liquid? The medication? This.
Is she exposed to a gas? No.
So she's NOT being experimented on? She is not.
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^^ You missed mine from before ^^

Was the liquid medication ingested? injected? administered some other way?

Was the medication some sort of sedative? if so did it render "her" unable to swallow the item blocking the airways when she should have otherwise been able to?
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Is she sick?
Does she require the medication?
Did she swallow it on her own?
Did someone give it to her?
Did she know what it was?
Was it what she thought it was?
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Is "she" in the hospital? Yes. some other sort of care center? was she in an accident prior to the events in this puzzle? Perhaps, but it's not relevant. if so how much time passed between the accident and the choking incident? seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years?

was this plastic item some sort of medical equipment? Yes.

^^ You missed mine from before ^^ Sorry! I honestly didn't notice it.

Was the liquid medication ingested? injected? This. administered some other way?

Was the medication some sort of sedative? Yes. if so did it render "her" unable to swallow the item blocking the airways when she should have otherwise been able to? No.

Is she sick? Yes.
Does she require the medication? Yes.
Did she swallow it on her own? The plastic object? No.
Did someone give it to her? Yes.
Did she know what it was? No, and FA.
Was it what she thought it was? As above.
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Is it a failed tracheal intubation (the act of inserting a tube to support the trachea) that caused "her" to suffocate and die?
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Is the liquid inside the plastic object?
Did she swallow the liquid and plastic object at the same time?
Was it a thermometer?
Did people see her while she was dead and not think she was dead?
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Is it a failed tracheal intubation (the act of inserting a tube to support the trachea) that caused "her" to suffocate and die? Yes! But what exactly went wrong?

Is the liquid inside the plastic object? No. The liquid was injected.
Did she swallow the liquid and plastic object at the same time? The injection came first, followed by the intubation.
Was it a thermometer? No.
Did people see her while she was dead and not think she was dead? Yes.
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did the tracheal tube miss the lung and instead head to the stomach?
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did the tracheal tube miss the lung and instead head to the stomach? No. It was correctly inserted into the trachea.
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BLUE!

I actually have no clue about how tracheal tubes work, and this is really Flemsneezy's puzzle, so I'll leave it alone.
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did something manage to block the tracheal tube?
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did something manage to block the tracheal tube? Yes.
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Is it relevant why 'they' didn't know that she died?
Was the injection a painkiller / something that made her not-feel the tracheal tube?
Was it anesthesia?
Did she not make a sound?
Did she die during the procedure?
And not know she was dead until after it was completed?
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Is it relevant why 'they' didn't know that she died? Yes.
Was the injection a painkiller / something that made her not-feel the tracheal tube? Yes.
Was it anesthesia? Yes.
Did she not make a sound? She was unconscious and thus made no sound.
Did she die during the procedure? During the intubation? No. She died shortly afterwards.
And not know she was dead until after it was completed? So yes.
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WOW i thought that was a for sure no...

Recap:
A little girl is in some sort of accident and is injured and ends up in a hospital. At the hospital a tracheal tube is inserted (is the tube inserted through the mouth or via tracheotomy). this tube is then blocked (is the blockage caused in the tracheal tube the plastic item from before? or was that referring to the tube itself?) causing the girl to suffocate and die.
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A little girl is in some sort of accident and is injured and ends up in a hospital. How she ended up in hosptial isn't relevant, so we'll assume it was an accident. At the hospital a tracheal tube is inserted (is the tube inserted through the mouth or via tracheotomy). I believe tracheotomies and intubation are two different procedures involving different equipment; this was an intubation, inserted through the mouth. this tube is then blocked Correct. (is the blockage caused in the tracheal tube the plastic item from before? or was that referring to the tube itself? The plastic object we've been referring to thus far is the tube itself: however, you're correct in thinking the blockage is a plastic object.) causing the girl to suffocate and die. Correct.
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So the object now blocking the tube is also plastic? was this object accidentally slid down the tube/placed over the tube? was it part of some follow up procedure that comes after a intubation? and that procedure is what went wrong?
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Was the plastic object something she swallowed?
A pacemaker?
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Or was it something that belonged to the doctors?
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So the object now blocking the tube is also plastic? Yes. was this object accidentally slid down the tube This./placed over the tube? was it part of some follow up procedure that comes after a intubation? No. and that procedure is what went wrong?
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Was the plastic object something she swallowed? No.
A pacemaker? No.

Or was it something that belonged to the doctors? Define "belonged to".
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Did she die as a result of the doctors' carelessness?
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Did she die as a result of the doctors' carelessness? Yes.
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So whatever that got clogged messed up the operation, so she later died because the operation was unsuccessful?
Is it clogged from inside the girl or outside?
I'm assuming it's a piece of trash like a candy wrapper or something, maybe a bracelet.
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And they were we because the operation was supposed to succeed? And because of the anesthesia, she appeared asleep when she was really dead.
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And they were surprised**
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Was the plastic object lodged in the tube another piece of medical equipment?
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Is that last even necessary, or just the knowledge that it is in fact blocked?
Did i get caught up in the facts of the case and forget the puzzle I'm actually trying to solve?
God damn i hate it when that happens.
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So whatever that got clogged messed up the operation, so she later died because the operation was unsuccessful? FA. You're very close, though.
Is it clogged from inside the girl or outside? The tube was clogged before it was inserted into the girl.
I'm assuming it's a piece of trash like a candy wrapper or something, maybe a bracelet. None of these.

And they were surprised because the operation was supposed to succeed? Yope. And because of the anesthesia, she appeared asleep when she was really dead. Yes.

Was the plastic object lodged in the tube another piece of medical equipment? Yes.

Is that last even necessary, or just the knowledge that it is in fact blocked? It's relevant.
Did i get caught up in the facts of the case and forget the puzzle I'm actually trying to solve?
God damn i hate it when that happens. Haha, I think you stand a good chance of solving it now. Go ahead and piece everything together.
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Did the doctors leave the tube-cap on?
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A girl needed an operation. She was given an anesthetic and during her operation, doctors inserted a tube into her trachea. Little did they know, they left the cover on, so the operation was a complete failure. She died later that day, and because she was under anesthesia, she appeared to be asleep when she was actually dead. Doctors were surprised because she wasn't supposed to have died after the surgery.
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A girl needed an operation. She was given an anesthetic and during her operation, doctors inserted a tube into her trachea. Little did they know, they left the cover on, so the operation was a complete failure. She died later that day, and because she was under anesthesia, she appeared to be asleep when she was actually dead. Doctors were surprised because she wasn't supposed to have died after the surgery. You've pretty much got it.

****************SPOILER**************
Intubation is common practice during operations; by inserting a tube into the trachea, the anaesthetist can manually control the patient's breathing. In this case, a plastic cap had become lodged in one of the intubation tubes, and this tube was then inserted into a little girl as she was prepared for surgery. With her airway completely blocked, she died -- surprising the incompetent anaesthetist who had failed to realise the tube was blocked in the first place.


Thanks for playing, folks. Though Pika, you do realise Flem is going to murder you now?
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No it's all good, i was already thinking about the cap but i like to narrow down to it before i make conjectures (unless i find the conjecture very amusing). It was the answer i would have ended up at if i wouldn't have had to work in the morning. Good puzzle though.
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Hehe.
Heyy there Flem. <3
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God, that's so sad! Did that really happen (I've heard worse stories of freak surgical accidents, but still...)

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