| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1159 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it an insult, or a compliment? We'll never know. | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 370 Registered: 5-2009 |
Expletives involved? Blankety = adjective? Blank = noun? "Blank" in "Blankety" = Second "Blank"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1162 Registered: 5-2003 |
Expletives involved? No. Blankety = adjective? Blank = noun? "Blank" in "Blankety" = Second "Blank"? The title is facetious; it is not in the same format as the actual insult. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 330 Registered: 9-2008 |
We'll never know...because no one understood the word(s) used? Are the number of people involved relevant? If so, insert LTPF list of postive numbers... Would the location be relevant? era? occupation? Is this a story from a book? TV? movie? real life? made-up by you? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1170 Registered: 5-2003 |
We'll never know...because no one understood the word(s) used? No. Are the number of people involved relevant? If so, insert LTPF list of postive numbers... Two directly involved, several thousand indirectly involved. Would the location be relevant? era? occupation? All three. Is this a story from a book? TV? movie? real life? This. made-up by you? | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 255 Registered: 3-2009 |
Would it be considered a "back-handed compliment"? Why will we never know -- did someone die? If so, was it the person who received the insult/compliment? The person who gave the insult/compliment? Was the insult/compliment directed at a person? Group of people? Does the insult/compliment relate to the receiver's skill? Competence? Actions? Are the two directly involved people the giver and receiver of the insult/compliment? If not both, giver? Receiver? Were the several thousand people affected by the receiver? Giver? Were they an audience? Mass of people affected in some way? Are they part of a group that, if identified, will give us a clue? Does this involve an act of war? Sports? Culture? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1171 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would it be considered a "back-handed compliment"? Possibly, but assume no. Why will we never know -- did someone die? Yes. If so, was it the person who received the insult/compliment? The person who gave the insult/compliment? This. Was the insult/compliment directed at a person? This. Group of people? No, but several thousand others are involved. Does the insult/compliment relate to the receiver's skill? Arguable. Competence? Yes. Actions? Yes. Are the two directly involved people the giver and receiver of the insult/compliment? Yes. If not both, giver? Receiver? Were the several thousand people affected by the receiver? Giver? Yes to both, in a sense. Were they an audience? A few of them Mass of people affected in some way? This, mostly. Are they part of a group that, if identified, will give us a clue? Yes. Does this involve an act of war? This. Sports? Culture? | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 201 Registered: 2-2009 |
Was the insult/compliment a spoken comment? written? Did it cause a war? or some other conflict? between nations? within a nation? Did the several thousand speculate on whether it was an insult or compliment? Is that why they are relevant/involved? Are the several thousand politicians? dignitaries? soldiers of some variety? Was the receiver a politician? dignitary? soldier? Was the giver a politician? dignitary? soldier? male? Was he/she in a position of authority over the receiver? Over some? all? of the several thousand? Does the giver die as a result of the insult/compliment? After giving the insult/compliment, does the giver die within seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1174 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the insult/compliment a spoken comment? Yes. written? Did it cause a war? No. or some other conflict? No. between nations? within a nation? Did the several thousand speculate on whether it was an insult or compliment? Possibly. Is that why they are relevant/involved? No. Are the several thousand politicians? dignitaries? soldiers of some variety? This. Was the receiver a politician? dignitary? soldier? This. Was the giver a politician? dignitary? soldier? This. male? Yes. Was he/she in a position of authority over the receiver? No. Over some? This. all? of the several thousand? Does the giver die as a result of the insult/compliment? No. After giving the insult/compliment, does the giver die within seconds? minutes? This. hours? days? weeks? months? years? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 149 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does the giver know he is going to die soon while he speaks? Is he injured? Sick? Do more people die around the same time because of the same reason? Does the insult/compliment include a comparision? To another person? Does it include a comment on some military action? | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 267 Registered: 3-2009 |
Had the Insult/Compliment (IC) not had been uttered, would the death(s) still have occured? Were the giver and/or receiver generals? Battlefield commanders? Anything along the lines of "Nice shot"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1175 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the giver know he is going to die soon while he speaks? No. Is he injured? No. Sick? No. Do more people die around the same time because of the same reason? Yes. Does the insult/compliment include a comparision? Yes. To another person? No. Does it include a comment on some military action? Yes. Had the Insult/Compliment (IC) not had been uttered, would the death(s) still have occured? Yes. Were the giver and/or receiver generals? Battlefield commanders? Yes to both. Anything along the lines of "Nice shot"? No. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 151 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did the event take place during a war? Does the giver die because of some military attack? If so, is there anything special about the attack (other than it killed him)? Were the several thousands involved because they participated in the military action the IC commented? Does the IC include a comparision of one military action to another? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1176 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the event take place during a war? Yes. Does the giver die because of some military attack? Yes. If so, is there anything special about the attack (other than it killed him)? No. Were the several thousands involved because they participated in the military action the IC commented? Yes. Does the IC include a comparision of one military action to another? Indirectly, yes. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 152 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did the event take place in Europe? Asia? North America? South America? Australia? Some island not relateable to any continent? At sea? And which time: 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? Earlier? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1177 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the event take place in Europe? Asia? North America? South America? Australia? Some island not relateable to any continent? At sea? And which time: 21st century? 20th? 19th? 18th? 17th? Earlier? North America, 19th Century. | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 276 Registered: 3-2009 |
General Custer, "This would be a nice neighborhood if it weren't infested with indians." Does this puzzle refer to a particular battle? In the US Civil War? Was the IC actually communicated from the giver to the receiver? I know very little military history -- is it likely that I will be able to solve? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1179 Registered: 5-2003 |
General Custer, "This would be a nice neighborhood if it weren't infested with indians." Ha! But no. Does this puzzle refer to a particular battle? Yes. In the US Civil War? Yes. Was the IC actually communicated from the giver to the receiver? No. I know very little military history -- is it likely that I will be able to solve? Any one with a passing familiarity with the period would probably solve this quickly, so I think it actually works better this way. You just need to dig a little. | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 288 Registered: 3-2009 |
Could the IC have been muttered as an aside to nobody in particular? Could the IC be considered as commentary or opinion offered by one general to the other general? As to his battlefield tactics? His parentage? Did it relate to the element of surprise? A particular maneuver? A mismatch of force? The pedigree of his mother? Choice of weapons? Are we looking for an exact word for word quotation? "You are dumber than the inside of a cow's stomach on a moonless ..." No that's not it. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 208 Registered: 2-2009 |
Were the giver and the receiver on opposing sides of the battle? the same side? Was the giver Union? Confederate? Was the receiver Union? Confederate? Did this happen at a battle in Virginia? Either way, that should narrow it down by about half :-) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1183 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could the IC have been muttered as an aside to nobody in particular? Yes. Could the IC be considered as commentary or opinion offered by one general to the other general? Yes. As to his battlefield tactics? Yes. His parentage? Did it relate to the element of surprise? A particular maneuver? Yope. A mismatch of force? The pedigree of his mother? Choice of weapons? No to the rest. Are we looking for an exact word for word quotation? Not necessarily, but it would help. Were the giver and the receiver on opposing sides of the battle? No. the same side? Yes. Was the giver Union? No. Confederate? Yes. Was the receiver Union?No. Confederate? Yes. Did this happen at a battle in Virginia? Yes. Either way, that should narrow it down by about half :-) | ||
| Davesnothere (Davesnothere)
New member Username: Davesnothere Post Number: 313 Registered: 3-2009 |
Friendly fire relevant? Did the receiver also die in the battle? Were both trying to coordinate activities? Does the IC relate to timing? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1188 Registered: 5-2003 |
Friendly fire relevant? No. Did the receiver also die in the battle? No. Were both trying to coordinate activities? Possibly. Does the IC relate to timing? Possibly. If intended as an insult, then timing and coordination would have been important, and part of the reason for the insult. If a compliment, timing and coordination would be irrelevant. | ||
| Dethwing00 (Dethwing00)
New member Username: Dethwing00 Post Number: 3 Registered: 7-2009 |
Are either the giver/reciever Lee or Stonewall? Did the confederates win this battle? Did this battle occur early (Confederates moving north) or late (Confederates retreating) in the war? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1200 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are either the giver/reciever Lee or Stonewall? The receiver is Stonewall Jackson. Care to spoil? If not, other readers should NOT look him up! Did the confederates win this battle? Yes. Did this battle occur early Yes. (Confederates moving north) But no. or late (Confederates retreating) in the war? | ||
| Dethwing00 (Dethwing00)
New member Username: Dethwing00 Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2009 |
Nah, I don't know it. Just threw out the two confederate generals I knew. So it's relatively early in the war, but before Lee starts moving north? Does this story have anything to do with his nickname? Does the comment lead to the south winning this battle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1201 Registered: 5-2003 |
So it's relatively early in the war, but before Lee starts moving north? Yes. Does this story have anything to do with his nickname? Yes. Does the comment lead to the south winning this battle? Irrelevant. | ||
| Dethwing00 (Dethwing00)
New member Username: Dethwing00 Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2009 |
So, I'll take a stab at this then. Some other general besides Lee is fighting with General Jackson during the early stages of the war. The other general says something to? About? Jackson that would come to be Jackson's nickname. Before the other general can elaborate, he's killed (By a union shot I would assume). Is that about it? Is the only thing left to know what the exact comment is? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1203 Registered: 5-2003 |
So, I'll take a stab at this then. Some other general besides Lee is fighting with General Jackson during the early stages of the war. Correct. The other general says something to? About? This. Jackson that would come to be Jackson's nickname. Correct. Before the other general can elaborate, he's killed (By a union shot I would assume). Correct. Is that about it? Is the only thing left to know what the exact comment is? No, you also have to find out why it could be either an insult or a compliment. Add Your Message Here Post: | ||
| Dethwing00 (Dethwing00)
New member Username: Dethwing00 Post Number: 6 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did the comment include the word "Stonewall" ? Or was it segmented "Stone - Wall" ? Or did it just happen to contain, seperately, the words "Stone" and "Wall"? If I have to, can I just break down the number of the words in the comment, and then guess each letter one at a time? That sounds lame, but I can't think of another way to get at the exact phrasing. Did he compare Jackson to a stonewall? Did he compare his leadership to a stonewall? Did he compare his tactics to a stonewall? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1204 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the comment include the word "Stonewall" ? Or was it segmented "Stone - Wall" ? Or did it just happen to contain, seperately, the words "Stone" and "Wall"? This. If I have to, can I just break down the number of the words in the comment, and then guess each letter one at a time? No. That sounds lame, but I can't think of another way to get at the exact phrasing. You don't need the exact phrasing, just the gist of the statement. It is more important to understand why the statement was ambiguous. Did he compare Jackson to a stonewall? Yes. Did he compare his leadership to a stonewall? No. Did he compare his tactics to a stonewall? Yes. | ||
| Dethwing00 (Dethwing00)
New member Username: Dethwing00 Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2009 |
Ok, so is the confusion whether the comment was about Jackson (You cowardly Stonewall!) or his tactics (His defense is sure a stonewall)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1205 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ok, so is the confusion whether the comment was about Jackson (You cowardly Stonewall!) or his tactics (His defense is sure a stonewall)? No. | ||
| Dethwing00 (Dethwing00)
New member Username: Dethwing00 Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2009 |
Were the words "Stone" and "Wall" said consecutively? Did one sentance end in "stone" and the next start with "Wall" ? If Jackson had heard the comment, would he (in your opinion) have been insulted? Complimented? Both? Neither? Was he talking to his troops? Was he talking to yet another general? Was he employing (Or about to employ) a tactic of Jackson? Was he trying to motivate his troops? Runnin' out of ideas here... | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1207 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the words "Stone" and "Wall" said consecutively? Yes. Did one sentance end in "stone" and the next start with "Wall" ? No. If Jackson had heard the comment, would he (in your opinion) have been insulted? Complimented? Both? Neither? Unknown. (When you say "he" in the following questions, I assume you are speaking of the second general.) Was he talking to his troops? No. Was he talking to yet another general? Possibly. Assume he was speaking to other officers, who may have been his aides or his unit commanders. Was he employing (Or about to employ) a tactic of Jackson? No. Was he trying to motivate his troops? Possibly. Runnin' out of ideas here... Hint: "His defense is sure a stone wall" is one of the two possible meanings of the comment. | ||
| Dethwing00 (Dethwing00)
New member Username: Dethwing00 Post Number: 9 Registered: 7-2009 |
So, the other meaning: Could be interpreted to be about Jackson himself? His personality? His sense of humor? His placidness? His cowardice? His drunkenness? His love of stone walls? (Hehe) His presence on the battlefield? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1211 Registered: 5-2003 |
So, the other meaning: Could be interpreted to be about Jackson himself? Yes. His personality? His sense of humor? His placidness? In a sense. His cowardice? Possibly. His drunkenness? His love of stone walls? (Hehe) His presence on the battlefield? No to the others. | ||
| Ferrets101 (Ferrets101)
New member Username: Ferrets101 Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2009 |
Anything to do with Stonewall Jackson's death? Something that happened while he was a general in the Civil War? Before then? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1230 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anything to do with Stonewall Jackson's death? No. Something that happened while he was a general in the Civil War? Yes. Before then? No. I'm genuinely surprised no one has spoiled this already. | ||
| Ferrets101 (Ferrets101)
New member Username: Ferrets101 Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2009 |
His nickname "Stonewall" relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1234 Registered: 5-2003 |
His nickname "Stonewall" relevant? Yes. Recap: Stonewall Jackson got his nickname during an incident during the Civil War, from something ambiguous said by another Confederate general. What was said, and what makes it ambiguous (besides the fact the other general was killed before he could explain)? One meaning of his statement could have been "His defense is sure a stone wall." What is the other? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 570 Registered: 11-2008 |
The second meaning: That he is not active enough? That he is dumb? Drunk? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1239 Registered: 5-2003 |
The second meaning: That he is not active enough? This. You should be able to work out the situation now. That he is dumb? Drunk? Neither. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 574 Registered: 11-2008 |
Something along the line that he is standing like a stone wall/sitting like a stone in the wall? Perhaps he did not come in time to help the other general? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1241 Registered: 5-2003 |
Something along the line that he is standing like a stone wall/sitting like a stone in the wall? Perhaps he did not come in time to help the other general? Got it. During the first battle of Bull Run (or Manassas), Confederate units commanded by Generals Thomas J. Jackson and Barnard E. Bee were fighting together in line. Bee called out to his men, "Look, there stands Jackson, like a stone wall!" He was killed shortly afterward, and no one was ever sure whether he was complimenting Jackson, whose unit was beating off a Union attack, or complaining that Jackson wasn't moving to help him. The people who nicknamed Jackson "Stonewall" assumed the former. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 1242 Registered: 5-2003 |
Oops, and *SPOILER*. Mods? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 588 Registered: 11-2008 |
Now that was very interesting, Jenburdoo. Thank you for the puzzle! |
