| Author | Message | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 120 Registered: 9-2009 |
The accident saved many accident victims. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1252 Registered: 11-2008 |
The accident = the same accident the victims were victims of ? (What a sentence) Were the victims in danger of dying? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 121 Registered: 9-2009 |
The accident = the same accident the victims were victims of ? (What a sentence) No. Great sentence (: Were the victims in danger of dying? Many of them were. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1254 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was Accident 1 (the saving one) of the same nature as Accident 2 (the one which left the victims?) Were any vehicles involved in A1? A2? Was any of them natural? Real story? When (LTPF list of centuries) does it take place? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 123 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Accident 1 (the saving one) of the same nature as Accident 2 (the one which left the victims?) No. Were any vehicles involved in A1? A2? Only A2. Was any of them natural? No. Real story? Yes. When (LTPF list of centuries) does it take place? 20th century. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1255 Registered: 11-2008 |
Vehicles as cars? Lorries? Airplanes? Accident 1 - was machinery of some sort involved? For A1 and A - Was there danger of poisoning? drowning? dying as a result of an impact? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 124 Registered: 9-2009 |
Vehicles as cars? This. Lorries? This as well. Airplanes? No. Accident 1 - was machinery of some sort involved? No. For A1 and A You mean A1 and A2? - Was there danger of poisoning? No. drowning? No. dying as a result of an impact? No - though impact is invovled in both | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2183 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was some medical knowledge gained from the victims of A1 used to treat the victims of A2? Did anyone die in A1? Was A1 a fire? building collapse? Any particular branch of the emergency services relevant in either accident? is so police? ambulance? Fire? other medical personel? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 125 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was some medical knowledge gained from the victims of A1 used to treat the victims of A2? No. Did anyone die in A1? Was A1 a fire? building collapse? No to all. Any particular branch of the emergency services relevant in either accident? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1256 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were there any victims of A1? Did A1 happen before A2? After? Simultaneously? If there was a difference in time, was it within hours? days? weeks? months? years? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 128 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were there any victims of A1? No. Did A1 happen before A2? After? Simultaneously? Before. If there was a difference in time, was it within hours? days? weeks? months? years? Years. | ||
| Quovynyte (Quovynyte)
New member Username: Quovynyte Post Number: 161 Registered: 6-2009 |
Are these things relevant? Disease? Immune Systems? Car crashes? An explosion? A bomb? Location relevant? City? Were the victims in hospitals? Did people die in A1? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 132 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are these things relevant? Some of them are: Disease? No. Immune Systems? No. Car crashes? Yes. An explosion? No. A bomb? No. Location relevant? City? Not really Were the victims in hospitals? Some went to hospital. Did people die in A1? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 133 Registered: 9-2009 |
Blooper! Location relevant?: For A1: yope. For A2: not really. City? Irrelevant for both. | ||
| Fleemco198 (Fleemco198)
New member Username: Fleemco198 Post Number: 37 Registered: 9-2009 |
just for clarification... an unintended event cause people in the second accident to be alive afterwards? did A1 take place in outer space? A2? did A1 happen inside a structure? A2? | ||
| Fleemco198 (Fleemco198)
New member Username: Fleemco198 Post Number: 38 Registered: 9-2009 |
how many years was in between the accidents?1? 5? 10? 15? 20? can this relate to the butterfly effect? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 136 Registered: 9-2009 |
just for clarification... an unintended event cause people in the second accident to be alive afterwards? Yes, but quite indirectly. did A1 take place in outer space? A2? None of them. did A1 happen inside a structure? A2? A1 did. A2 usually didn't. Hint: A2 is not one specific accident. how many years was in between the accidents?1? 5? 10? 15? 20? About 12 years, but see above. can this relate to the butterfly effect? No. | ||
| Fuhad (Fuhad)
New member Username: Fuhad Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2009 |
Did the second accident stop the first one from becoming fatal? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1257 Registered: 11-2008 |
what is a butterfly effect? Does somebody learn a lesson from A1 which becomes helpful by the time of A2? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 140 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the second accident stop the first one from becoming fatal? No, it was the other way around. what is a butterfly effect? When a tiny event (like a butterfly flapping its wings) makes something slightly bigger happen, which again makes something bigger happen and so on until the escalating chain of events leads to something really huge happening. Does somebody learn a lesson from A1 which becomes helpful by the time of A2? Yope. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1258 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thanks. Were ther any similarities at all between A1 an A2? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 142 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were ther any similarities at all between A1 an A2? Only a very small one, but it's what's significant for this puzzle. | ||
| Sixtyeight (Sixtyeight)
New member Username: Sixtyeight Post Number: 1089 Registered: 6-2007 |
did the victims have similar accidents? Were the victims all victims of automobile accidents? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 143 Registered: 9-2009 |
did the victims have similar accidents? Were the victims all victims of automobile accidents? Yes to all. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1260 Registered: 11-2008 |
So, basically, A2 is a series of unrelated car crashes, right? And A1 brought some experience/information which was later used for A2's, correct? If so, was it technical information? Related to machinery? Related to physics? Related to human bodies? Related to the effect of something on something else? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 144 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, basically, A2 is a series of unrelated car crashes, right? Correct. And A1 brought some experience/information which was later used for A2's, correct? Yesish. If so, was it technical information? Yes. Related to machinery? Related to physics? Sort of, but... Related to human bodies? Related to the effect of something on something else? ...this is closest. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1261 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does the piece of information learnt relate to the condition of the cars before/after the crash? How to get the victims out of the cars? Something which is done on the accident scene after the accident? Do I need some special equipment for "it"? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 146 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does the piece of information learnt relate to the condition of the cars before/after the crash? FA about "information", but this is closest. How to get the victims out of the cars? Something which is done on the accident scene after the accident? No to these. Do I need some special equipment for "it"? FA. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1262 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would "experience" be closer? Does the life-saving thing include a change in something? The car? A wild shot in the dark: Airbags relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 148 Registered: 9-2009 |
Would "experience" be closer? No. Does the life-saving thing include a change in something? The car? Yes! A wild shot in the dark: Airbags relevant? No, but OTRT. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1263 Registered: 11-2008 |
So the car's safety was enhanced somehow, right? Does it involve changes to the car's motion systems (engine, brakes, clutch and so on)? Its body? Undercarriage? Inside (seats etc.) Safety belts? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 151 Registered: 9-2009 |
So the car's safety was enhanced somehow, right? Yes. Does it involve changes to the car's motion systems (engine, brakes, clutch and so on)? Its body? Thisish. Undercarriage? Inside (seats etc.) Safety belts? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1265 Registered: 11-2008 |
Anything done to any part of the metal frame which is, uh, sitting on the undercarriage? Car make relevant? Or cars in general? Any specific type of car (such as hatchback, sedan etc.)? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 155 Registered: 9-2009 |
Anything done to any part of the metal frame which is, uh, sitting on the undercarriage? No. Car make relevant? Or cars in general? Any specific type of car (such as hatchback, sedan etc.)? Cars in general. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2189 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are side impact bars relevant? Roll bars? Bumpers? Did A1 lead to an invention which saved people in A2? Is the feature standard on all cars now? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1266 Registered: 11-2008 |
Car locking systems relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 156 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are side impact bars relevant? Roll bars? Bumpers? No to all. Did A1 lead to an invention which saved people in A2? Yes! Is the feature standard on all cars now? Yes. Car locking systems relevant? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1267 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is it a tangible thing (such as an extra gadget added to the car? If so, is it made (mostly) of metal? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 159 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a tangible thing Yes (such as an extra gadget added to the car? But not this. If so, is it made (mostly) of metal? No, it's not made of metal. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 848 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is it made of plastic? Fabric? Wood? Glass? Did they change the material used for a part that was already on cars? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 160 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it made of plastic? Yes. Fabric? Wood? Glass? this as well. Did they change the material used for a part that was already on cars? Yes. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1271 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does it have something to do with windows? Like the window glass which shatters in small pieces rather than the long spiky ones which can do a lot of harm? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 161 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does it have something to do with windows? Like the window glass which shatters in small pieces rather than the long spiky ones which can do a lot of harm? That's it exactly. Not much left now (: | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 162 Registered: 9-2009 |
BLOOPER! It's not in fact the type of glass that shatters in small relatively harmless pieces (called tempered glass), but you're very much OTRT! | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1272 Registered: 11-2008 |
What is left, then? The exact type of glass? Is it some combination of glass with plastic (not sure how they could possibly melt them together)? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 860 Registered: 7-2009 |
Does it have to do with the fact that when a rock hits my windshield, it results in an indentation with cracks that spread slowly, instead of instantly shattering my whole windshield? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 163 Registered: 9-2009 |
What is left, then? The exact type of glass? What's left is almost any information on the unfairly ignored A1 (: Is it some combination of glass with plastic (not sure how they could possibly melt them together)? Yes, two sheets of glass are laminated with a tough layer of plastic in between. Does it have to do with the fact that when a rock hits my windshield, it results in an indentation with cracks that spread slowly, instead of instantly shattering my whole windshield? This leads to cracks propagating slower, and the shards of glass are held together if the window is crushed. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 445 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is A1 an "accident" in the sense of simply "something unplanned", not implying an injurious or tragic outcome? (like--as an unrelated example--the discovery of penicillin by realizing that mold on a dish kept bacteria from growing) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 164 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is A1 an "accident" in the sense of simply "something unplanned", not implying an injurious or tragic outcome? (like--as an unrelated example--the discovery of penicillin by realizing that mold on a dish kept bacteria from growing) Indeed. You don't need to figure out the exact details, I'll post the spoiler when you have the general idea. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1277 Registered: 11-2008 |
Does A1 involve glass shattering? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 167 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does A1 involve glass shattering? Yes. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1278 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were some windows/glass panes broken during the accident? Did something happen which gave someone the idea to use the glass-plastic-glass combination? Was A1 related more to the glass shattering than to the layer idea? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 168 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were some windows/glass panes broken during the accident? No. Did something happen which gave someone the idea to use the glass-plastic-glass combination? Yes. Was A1 related more to the glass shattering than to the layer idea? No, both. I'm not going to ask you to ascertain the exact details of A1, it's enough that it gave the idea for shatterproof glass. SPOILER! In 1903, the French chemist Edouard Benedictus were retrieving some reagents from a shelf, when he accidentally bumped a glass flask which fell to the floor and broke. Amazingly, although the glass had broken into thousands of pieces, the flask still held together. As it turned out it had contained a solution of celluloid, an early plastic (still used in pingpong balls) which had dried to the inside. The layer of celluloid held the broken pieces of glass together. Later, Benedictus read in the paper about the many serious injuries in car accidents, caused by shards of broken glass. He remembered the incident with the glass flask, and immediately set out to create a safer car window. After working and experimenting non-stop for 24 hours, he had produced the first pane of safety glass. Unfortunately, automakers were reluctant to include the new safety glass in their vehicles, because it cost more (nothing changes, does it?). In World War I it was used for eye lenses in gas masks, and after it had proven itself in the war it was finally adopted by the automakers. Thanks for playing (: | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1282 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thank you for a great puzzle, Galfisk. One never stops to learn... I had no idea glass could be combined with plastic, let alone what lied behind this invention. |
