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Indianforce (Indianforce)
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 12:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So here goes:

Why is it sweeter now?
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Was it sweet previously, and now it's even sweeter? Or was it not sweet previously, and now it is sweet?

By "sweet," are you referring to taste? Satisfaction (as in the "sweetness" of victory)?

If taste, is it a food? a beverage? something you wouldn't normally eat, but that tastes sweet (like antifreeze)?
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Was it sweet previously, and now it's even sweeter? Absolutely Or was it not sweet previously, and now it is sweet?

By "sweet," are you referring to taste? Yes Satisfaction (as in the "sweetness" of victory)?

If taste, is it a food? a beverage? This one something you wouldn't normally eat, but that tastes sweet (like antifreeze)?
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A fruit juice? A soft drink? An alcoholic beverage? A flavored-water beverage? Milk? Lemonade? Iced tea? Hot tea? Coffee?

Does this refer to the fact that many people say diet sodas taste sweeter than regular sodas? That most soft drink companies have replaced sugar with corn syrup? Putting chocolate or some other flavored syrup in milk? Putting sweet syrups in coffee-based beverages? The fact that fruit juice used to be fruit + water, but now it's usually fruit + water + tons of added sugar?

It it sweeter because someone switched the sweetener used in a beverage? Added additional sweetener to a beverage? Changed some other aspect of it besides the sweetener used?

Does it refer to a general type of beverage that has become sweeter over time? Or to one specific glass of a beverage that someone changed just before the puzzle statement?
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A fruit juice? A soft drink? This one An alcoholic beverage? A flavored-water beverage? Milk? Lemonade? Iced tea? Hot tea? Coffee?

Does this refer to the fact that many people say diet sodas taste sweeter than regular sodas? That most soft drink companies have replaced sugar with corn syrup? Putting chocolate or some other flavored syrup in milk? Putting sweet syrups in coffee-based beverages? The fact that fruit juice used to be fruit + water, but now it's usually fruit + water + tons of added sugar?
None of these

Is it sweeter because someone switched the sweetener used in a beverage? No Added additional sweetener to a beverage? No Changed some other aspect of it besides the sweetener used? Yes, with a tiny -ish

Does it refer to a general type of beverage that has become sweeter over time? I'm not sure about this, but I think it's this one. Can you rephrase the question, though? Or to one specific glass of a beverage that someone changed just before the puzzle statement?
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I guess what I was trying to figure out was whether it was a long term, widespread change(e.g. 50 years ago this type of drink was sweet, but now it's even sweeter), or a short-term and localized change referring to one specific portion of a beverage.

Is the soft drink a specific brand (e.g. Coke, Mountain Dew)? A specific style (e.g. cola, lemon-lime soda, orange soda)? All soft drinks in general?

Did they change some other flavoring ingredient besides the sweetener? For example, did they switch the chemical they used to make cherry cola cherry flavored?
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I guess what I was trying to figure out was whether it was a long term, widespread change(e.g. 50 years ago this type of drink was sweet, but now it's even sweeter), or a short-term and localized change referring to one specific portion of a beverage. Ok. In that case, it's the latter, short term change.

Is the soft drink a specific brand (e.g. Coke, Mountain Dew)? No A specific style (e.g. cola, lemon-lime soda, orange soda)? No All soft drinks in general? Yope

Did they change some other flavoring ingredient besides the sweetener? FA For example, did they switch the chemical they used to make cherry cola cherry flavored? FA
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Did it actually become sweeter? Or did something change about the drinker(s) to make him (or them) perceive the taste as sweeter?
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Did it actually become sweeter? This one Or did something change about the drinker(s) to make him (or them) perceive the taste as sweeter?
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Was it one batch of a product that became sweeter? A single can? Or bottle? Was it a few cans/bottles of different brands?

Did the sweetening happen during production? After the soda was bottled? Was it done accidentally? On purpose? By one person? For personal gain of any kind? To harm someone?
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Was it one batch of a product that became sweeter? FA A single can? Or bottle? Either of these, not really relevant which one Was it a few cans/bottles of different brands?

Did the sweetening happen during production? After the soda was bottled? Neither of these Was it done accidentally? Yes On purpose? By one person? Yes For personal gain of any kind? No To harm someone? No
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Was the person who accidentally sweetened it the same person who drank (or tried to drink) it?
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******** BLOOPER ALERT!! ********

To Gourami's question ' did the sweetening happen after the soda was bottled? ', the answer should have been yes.
Sorry!



Was the person who accidentally sweetened it the same person who drank (or tried to drink) it? Yes
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Did they accidentally spill something into it? Think they were adding one thing but actually add something else? Misread directions to do something?
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Did they accidentally spill something into it? Think they were adding one thing but actually add something else? Misread directions to do something? None of these
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artifical ingredients relevant? natural ingredients? was something physically added to the soft drink? was it a process that made it sweeter? did it involve bottling/caning/storing for a period of time which make it sweeter?
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artifical ingredients relevant? No natural ingredients? No was something physically added to the soft drink? No was it a process that made it sweeter? Yes did it involve bottling/caning/storing for a period of time which make it sweeter? Yes with a small '-ish' to storing.
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Did the increased sweetness result from loss of carbonation?
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Did they store it in the freezer? Refrigerator? A non-cooled area like a pantry? A heated area?

Did they store it with the lid on? Lid off? Had the bottle been opened before they stored it?
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Did the increased sweetness result from loss of carbonation? No

Did they store it in the freezer? This one Refrigerator? A non-cooled area like a pantry? A heated area?

Did they store it with the lid on? This one Lid off? Had the bottle been opened before they stored it? No, but this is only slightly relevant
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Was the "Why is it sweeter now" statement made while it was frozen? After it thawed?

Did it freeze all the way, or just become kind of slushy?
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Was the "Why is it sweeter now" statement made while it was frozen? After it thawed?

Did it freeze all the way, or just become kind of slushy? Slushy. And the puzzle statement was made while it was still in slush form.
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Are soft drinks sweeter when they're slushy? Is it because the frozen parts of the slush are just water, leaving the remaining liquid parts a higher sugar concentration?
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Are soft drinks sweeter when they're slushy? Yes Is it because the frozen parts of the slush are just water, leaving the remaining liquid parts a higher sugar concentration? Yes, but you have to tell me WHY this happens.
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Would that be because sugar water has a lower freezing temperature than regular water? I know salt water does...so what gets frozen is just ice, while what remains contains all the sugar from the entire drink?
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Would that be because sugar water has a lower freezing temperature than regular water? I know salt water does...so what gets frozen is just ice, while what remains contains all the sugar from the entire drink?

Bingo!

******************SPOILER******************

According to Raoult's law, when a non-volatile solute (one that does not react with the solvent) is added to a solvent, it lowers the freezing point of the solvent.
For a soft drink, at the molecular level, homogenity does not exist, thus, the parts without the sugar freeze at the normal 273.15 F , but the sugary parts don't. Thus, in slush form, the concentration of sugar increases, as you take in only the liquid part. Hence, the increased sweetness.


Thanks to all who played! Will put up a new one soon.
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Oh cool, I was just guessing. Thanks for teaching me something!

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