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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 1:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You might not believe it, but the professional army did more damage than the amateur one!
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Professional army - soldiers?
Amateur army - soldiers?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 5:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Professional army - soldiers? Yes.
Amateur army - soldiers? No.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 5:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Salvation Army?

Did both armies consist of adults?
Natanz (Natanz)
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I don't get it... what is unexpected about it? Or did you mean it the other way around?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 12:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Salvation Army? No.

Did both armies consist of adults? Yes.

I don't get it... what is unexpected about it? That's what you have to figure out. Or did you mean it the other way around? No.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 10:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The damage: lives lost? Property damaged?

Time/location relevant? If so, (LTPF list of centuries/LTPF list of countries)
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The damage: lives lost? No. Property damaged? Yes.

Time/location relevant? Yes. If so, (LTPF list of centuries/LTPF list of countries) 20th century, Republic of Ireland.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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The amateur army - legal? Illegal?
Was it a military type organization? OR was it just called an army? IRA?
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 11:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The amateur army - legal? Illegal? Yes.
Was it a military type organization? Yope. OR was it just called an army? Yes. IRA? Yes.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 11:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

IRA bombing?
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 11:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

IRA bombing? Yes.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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So did IRA cause greater damage by their bombing than the professional army which was to fight them?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 12:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So did IRA cause greater damage by their bombing than the professional army which was to fight them? No.
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the professional army in this case the British Army?

Is this puzzle subjective or are there actual figures to substantiate the puzzle statement?

Are we definately talking about the Republic of Ireland here and not Northern Ireland? Does this relate to the IRA's campaign of the 1920's or the later one during the Northern Irish troubles?

Is the puzzle dealing with one incident or a number of incidents over a prolonged period?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 9:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the professional army in this case the British Army? No.

Is this puzzle subjective or are there actual figures to substantiate the puzzle statement? Hm. I don't have figures, but I don't have reason to doubt the anecdote this is based on, either. It certainly could be subjective. For purposes of the puzzle, assume it's objective.

Are we definately talking about the Republic of Ireland here and not Northern Ireland? Correct. Does this relate to the IRA's campaign of the 1920's or the later one during the Northern Irish troubles? The later one.

Is the puzzle dealing with one incident or a number of incidents over a prolonged period? One incident.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Monday, August 17, 2009 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Should we ask Uncle Google, or you'd prefer us rather not to ;-))?

So the IRA damaged something with their bombs. Was the action of the professional army related to the IRA bombing? Or was it unrelated but similar in nature?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Should we ask Uncle Google, or you'd prefer us rather not to ;-))? The incident is pretty well-known. I expect Peter365 knows about it. But don't give it away if you work it out early.

So the IRA damaged something with their bombs. Yes. Was the action of the professional army related to the IRA bombing? Yes. Or was it unrelated but similar in nature?
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 10:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL you suspect correctly. I do know this but will keep quiet. I must keep one eye on this puzzle as i've something for you when it's spoyled.
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 19, 2009 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I look forward to seeing it.
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 6:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The action of the professional army: was it aimed at rescuing someone? Neutralizing the IRA army? Cleaning up the mess after the bombing?

Was the damage caused to property? lives? health?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 11:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The action of the professional army: was it aimed at rescuing someone? Neutralizing the IRA army? Cleaning up the mess after the bombing? This.

Was the damage caused to property? This. lives? health?
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Posted on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they destroy more buildings during the clean up than the what damage the actual bombs caused?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Sunday, August 23, 2009 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they destroy more buildings during the clean up than the what damage the actual bombs caused? Yep.

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Spoiler

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On March 8, 1966, an IRA splinter group blew up Nelson's Pillar, a Dublin monument. They did little collateral damage. Two days later, for safety reasons, engineers of the Irish army blew up what remained of the monument. They miscalculated, and the blast damaged every building in the street.
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 12:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As promised here's the little something for you. As with most things the Irish have "celebrated" the blowing up of Nelsons Pillar by writing a song about it. The song brings Nelson's Statue to life and also the statue of Dan O'Connell after whom dublin's main street is named. Anyway it's quite an amusing song even though it commerorates an act of violence.

Lord Nelson lived in pompous state
Upon his pillar high
And down along O'Connell St
He cast one wicked eye
He thought how this barbaric race
had fought the British crown
And yet were content to let him stay
Right here in Dublin town.

Chorus
So remember brave Lord Nelson boys
He's never known a defeat
And for his reward they stuck him up
In the middle of O'Connell St

So for many years Lord Nelson stood
And noone seemed to care
He'd wink at Dan O'Connell
Who was standing right down there
He thought the Irish must like me
Or they wouldn't let me stay
Except that is those blighters
That they call the IRA

Chorus
So remember brave Lord Nelson boys
He's never known a defeat
And for his reward they stuck him up
In the middle of O'Connell St

And then in 1966
On March the 7th day
A bloody great explosion
Made Lord Nelson rock and sway
He crashed and Dan O'Connell cried
In woeful misery
There'll be twice as many pigeons now
will come and Sh*t on me!!

Chorus
So remember brave Lord Nelson boys
He's never known a defeat
And for his reward they blew him up
In the middle of O'Connell St

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