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Noel (Noel)
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Jerry's parents moved to the US from Mexico before he was born. He grew up there and had his own children there, who also grew up there and had their own children there. But when Jerry's granddaughter (Becky) was an adult, she needed something that she couldn't get in the US, so she moved to Mexico. What was it that she needed?
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Was it a document? A tangible object? Information?
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Moderator: I've accidentally left off the title. Can you please add the title "moving" to this puzzle? Thanks!
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A Mexican passport? Something that's legal in Mexico but illegal in America? Some family heirloom/historical information that Jerry's parents didn't take over to America?

Is Becky's ancestry relevant to the puzzle? Would it work if it were her parents who were the immigrants? Her grandparents?

Did she go over to Mexico temporarily? (e.g. to travel) Semi-permanently? (e.g. on a gap year) Permanently? (e.g. to gain Mexican citizenship and live there)
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Was it a document? no A tangible object? yope Information? no
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A photograph? Family tree relevant? DNA testing?
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A Mexican passport? Something that's legal in Mexico but illegal in America? Some family heirloom/historical information that Jerry's parents didn't take over to America? no to all

Is Becky's ancestry relevant to the puzzle? yes Would it work if it were her parents who were the immigrants? no Her grandparents? no

Did she go over to Mexico temporarily? (e.g. to travel) no Semi-permanently? (e.g. on a gap year) no Permanently? yes(e.g. to gain Mexican citizenship but not this and live there)
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A photograph? no Family tree relevant? yes, in a way DNA testing? no
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Language relevant? Does she want her children to speak Spanish/be bilingual?
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Climate relevant? Geography?
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Language relevant? Does she want her children to speak Spanish/be bilingual? neither of these

Climate relevant? yes Geography? yes
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Health relevant?
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Does she have a genetic disease/disorder and needs... to be in a warmer climate? ...higher elevation? ...something in the water? ...something in the plants? ...something in the air? ...something in the soil?
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Does she have a specific job/hobby, which can be done just in Mexico? If so, is it archaeology?
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Health relevant? yesish

Does she have a genetic disease/disorder no, but her genes are relevant and needs... to be in a warmer climate? this one ...higher elevation? ...something in the water? ...something in the plants? yope ...something in the air? ...something in the soil? no to rest

Does she have a specific job/hobby, which can be done just in Mexico? no If so, is it archaeology?
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If not a disorder... is there something about her, biologically, that would benefit from her living in Mexico, that would be hard/impossible to experience in the US?
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If not a disorder... is there something about her, biologically, that would benefit from her living in Mexico, that would be hard/impossible to experience in the US? yes
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The thing about her that causes the need is genetic?

Does she need more of something than most people? less? Does she need something most people don't need at all? Does she need to avoid something that most people can safely experience?

And the something she needs has something to do with climate, and possibly plants... is it something she would eat? Drink? Put on her skin? Is it medicine? Is sunshine relevant?
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The thing about her that causes the need is genetic? yes

Does she need more of something than most people? no less? no Does she need something most people don't need at all? yes to yesish Does she need to avoid something that most people can safely experience? yes

And the something she needs has something to do with climate, and possibly plants... is it something she would eat? no Drink? no Put on her skin? no Is it medicine? no Is sunshine relevant? yes, but only as related to providing a warm climate
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Is what she needs to avoid... cold weather? Rain? Ice?

And to clarify, the "issue" is with her herself? Her child?

Is her body temperature generally "normal"?
Does have less hair than most "normal" people? Is her skin different than most "normal" people?
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Is what she needs to avoid... cold weather? this Rain? Ice?

And to clarify, the "issue" is with her herself? Her child? good question! The issue is with her, but her children are definitely relevant

Is her body temperature generally "normal"? yes Does have less hair than most "normal" people? yes Is her skin different than most "normal" people? yes
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Does cold weather potentially have a direct, negative effect on her body?

Does Mexico work better to address this issue than, say, Florida (at a similar latitude) would?
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Does cold weather potentially have a direct, negative effect on her body? yes

Does Mexico work better to address this issue than, say, Florida (at a similar latitude) would? Florida would not work. However, California would.
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Does she need to be in a warm and dry environment (desert-like, as opposed to Florida, which is generally moist)? Is there more to be learned about what she needs and why?

Is it necessary to determine specifically what she suffers from? I believe you said it's not a disease/disorder... does she suffer from a "condition"? A mutation, perhaps?
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Does she need to be in a warm and dry environment (desert-like, as opposed to Florida, which is generally moist)? I assume yes, but I don't know that for sure Is there more to be learned about what she needs yes and why? yes

Is it necessary to determine specifically what she suffers from? yes, but beware FA I believe you said it's not a disease/disorder... does she suffer from a "condition"? no A mutation, perhaps? yope
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Wait, crap, is she human??
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Wait, crap, is she human?? =) No. And therefore your FA on the last question was that she was suffering.
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Ahh, dammit, I skipped the basics, now I have to review...
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Geez, now all the questions comparing her to normal "people" are almost meaningless!!

Okay... is she a mammal? One that normally has hair, but she doesn't (or not as much), so she seeks a warmer climate?
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Does it matter particularly what kind of animal Becky is?

Is she is a bird, and does she go to Mexico based on instinct, like flying south? Or like the birds who return to Capistrano?
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Ahh, dammit, I skipped the basics, now I have to review... I'm glad you did, or this would have been a pretty quick and dull puzzle

Okay... is she a mammal? no One that normally has hair, but she doesn't (or not as much), so she seeks a warmer climate?

Does it matter particularly what kind of animal Becky is? yes, but I also don't expect you to be able to guess it out of the blue. I suspect someone on here either knows or can figure it out with a few more questions, but if no one gets it in a day or two, and you've figured out the rest of the puzzle, I'll give it to you.

Is she is a bird, no and does she go to Mexico based on instinct yes, like flying south? Or like the birds who return to Capistrano?
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Reptile? Amphibian?
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Ah, wait, is she an insect? So the three generations pass in, say a month or two, and the seasons changed (summer to autumn), so she had to seek a warmer climate?
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Is she a butterfly/moth? Bee?
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Ah, wait, is she an insect? yes So the three generations pass in, say a month or two, and the seasons changed (summer to autumn), so she had to seek a warmer climate? yes, very good!

Is she a butterfly this one/moth? Bee?

feel free to keep working on what she is. But remember that the puzzle statement asked what she needed. Warm weather is part of it. But why would she have to go to Mexico (or California) and not, say, Arizona or New Mexico? Don't overthink it...you don't have to know anything specific about butterflies to figure it out.
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Is there a specific species of tree she needs to breed on?

Is she still an egg sac? Or a chrysalis?
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Is there a specific species of tree she needs to breed on? you know it's interesting. The ones in Mexico use one particular tree species, and the ones in California use a couple of specific tree species, but neither of the ones in California are the same as the one in Mexico!

But, the second half of that question hits on what I was looking for. She needs to breed, therefore, she has to go to where the other butterflies are. It's not enough to just go anywhere warm, because there are only a couple of very specific locations where other butterflies of her species spend the winter.


Is she still an egg sac? Or a chrysalis? no, she's an adult

you've got all of the important details. Since no one else is guessing on here, I will leave it up to you to decide if you want to try to figure out the type of butterfly or if you'd rather I just $poil it.
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Monarch Butterfly? I found this on Wikipedia, seems to fit somewhat: "The last generation of the summer enters into a non-reproductive phase known as diapause and may live seven months or more. During diapause, butterflies fly to one of many overwintering sites... the population east of the Rocky Mountains migrates to the sanctuaries of the Mariposa Monarca Biosphere Reserve in the Mexican states of Michoacán and México."

If it's something different, spoil away.
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Monarch Butterfly? yes

**********SPOILER**********
Becky and Jerry are monarch butterflies. Monarchs have a fascinating life cycle, consisting of four generations per year. Three of the generations are short lived (6-8 weeks) and are born in the US. However, the fourth generation is unusual in that it migrates to Mexico (or California) to hibernate for several months and then find a mate. The fascinating thing is that monarchs return to the exact same location each year as their "great-grandparents" lived in the year before! Monarchs from the eastern US migrate to Mexico, while those from the western US migrate to Southern California. They migrate for a few reasons (1) because Mexico and Southern California are warmer locations in which to hibernate so they don't freeze to death, (2) because they need milkweed as food for their offspring, which doesn't grow in colder areas in the winter time, and (3) because they need to go to where the other Monarchs are -- both to find a mate and to block the wind to keep them from blowing off the tree while they're hibernating.

Monarch hibernation is quite a sight to see, because there are thousands and thousands of butterflies covering the trees. Check it out.


Drop, thanks for sticking with it. I had fun answering the questions on this one.
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Thanks, I had fun solving it. Good one. Now I know why people always ask "H/A/M?" right off the bat...
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I think Noel has worded the puzzle statement so cunningly that no one of us felt the urge to ask :-)) Great job!
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Yes, it was cleverly and accurately worded. Nice job, Noel!
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Thanks, I actually did spend a long time trying to figure out how to word it, because the puzzle would have been ruined if anyone had thought to ask that.

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