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Posted on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 - 3:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The owners of a particular building wish to build an extension. They find a suitable spot that is perfect in every way, location ease of clearing the land and low build costs etc. However they build the extension in a different location that requires much more effort and is completed at a greatly increased cost. How come?
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Could they build the extension at the spot if they wanted to?
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Is there some reason why the original location is less perfect than first thought? Or does the new location have a unique feature/benefit that the first location doesn't?
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Wild guess: Does this have anything to do with buildings that were inadvertently built in the shape of swastikas (this really happened, by the way.)? Would building the extension at the convenient spot cause the building to look like a swastika (or some other offensive symbol) from the air?
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Do town/state lines have an effect? - I know of a factory that used to have a building on the state line, and they'd keep the machinery in the state where machinery wasn't taxed, and the forklifts and things in the other state, where machinery was taxed but those things weren't.


Are permits or tax incentives relevant? Did they just do this to be a subject of a lateral puzzle?
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Good Morning everyone!

Could they build the extension at the spot if they wanted to? Yes

Is there some reason why the original location is less perfect than first thought? Yesish Or does the new location have a unique feature/benefit that the first location doesn't? Yesish

Wild guess: Does this have anything to do with buildings that were inadvertently built in the shape of swastikas (this really happened, by the way.)? Would building the extension at the convenient spot cause the building to look like a swastika (or some other offensive symbol) from the air? No to all of this

Do town/state lines have an effect? No - I know of a factory that used to have a building on the state line, and they'd keep the machinery in the state where machinery wasn't taxed, and the forklifts and things in the other state, where machinery was taxed but those things weren't.


Are permits or tax incentives relevant? No Did they just do this to be a subject of a lateral puzzle? No there was a genuine reason
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Do they own the suitable spot?
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Do they own the suitable spot? Yes
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So they own the first spot? do they own also the second spot?
Is anything of the following relevant: sunlight? wind direction? other climate issues? orientation (north, south, ...)? other buildings nearby? any objects nearby? water supply? current supply? any other supply? noise? legal issues? archaeology? nature conservation?
Is the type of building relevant: residence? commercial? public?
Is it relevant for what the building is used?
The size of the extension, more than 10 mē? 100 mē? 1000 mē? 10000 mē?
Is it relevant in which way the efforts are higher for the second spot?
Are there any particular persons involved? having professions to be found out?
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So they own the first spot? Yes do they own also the second spot? Yes
Is anything of the following relevant: sunlight? No wind direction? No other climate issues? No orientation (north, south, ...)? Noother buildings nearby? No any objects nearby? No water supply? No current supply? No any other supply? No noise? No with a slight ish legal issues? Noarchaeology? No nature conservation? No
Is the type of building relevant Yes: residence? commercial? public? Yes
Is it relevant for what the building is used? Yes
The size of the extension, more than 10 mē? yes 100 mē? 1000 mē? 10000 mē?
Is it relevant in which way the efforts are higher for the second spot? Not Really
Are there any particular persons involved? Yes having professions to be found out? No
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Is there any sound relevant? spoken words? music?
Is it a church? other clerical building? school building? other educational building? a building related to sports? to culture? leisure? administration? politics? transport?
The particular persons: 1? 2? ...
For each of them is he or she: male? adult? human?
Do they work in the building? go into the building for other reasons? own the building? construct the extension?
Will the new part of the building be used for something particular? say something can be done there which could not be done in the existing building? or is the reason simply to gain surface? to store something? will it be one new room? a public room?
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Is there any sound relevant? Yes spoken words? Yes music? Yes
Is it a church? No other clerical building? No school building? No other educational building? No a building related to sports? Yes to culture? No leisure? Yesadministration? No politics? No transport? No
The particular persons: 1? 2? ...more than 100
For each of them is he or she: male? adult? human? Yes to all
Do they work in the building? No go into the building for other reasons? Yes own the building? No construct the extension? No
Will the new part of the building be used for something particular? Yesish say something can be done there which could not be done in the existing building? I think the best answer here is that its done to improve the existing facilities or is the reason simply to gain surface? to store something? will it be one new room? Yesish a public room? Yes
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Do the people go to the building: to perform a sport? to watch a sport? do they pay to enter? are they members of a club?
Should we find out the sport: does it involve a ball? water? teams? a gun? a gymnasium? a swimming pool?
Is the relevant music played by musicians? is it only played back? Is there a relevant discussion between the people?
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Do the people go to the building: to perform a sport? Yes to watch a sport? No do they pay to enter? No but be careful are they members of a club? Yes
Should we find out the sport:It might help does it involve a ball? yes water? teams? In some forms a gun? a gymnasium? a swimming pool? No to the rest
Is the relevant music played by musicians? No is it only played back? Yes Is there a relevant discussion between the people? When?
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Does the sport involve a net? goals? a bat? a racket? a cue?
Is it an olympic sport? is it played all over the world? is it typical for one country?
Spoken words are relevant, right? are they spoken by the people performing the sport?
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Does the sport involve a net?No goals? a bat? Of sorts a racket? No a cue? No
Is it an olympic sport? No is it played all over the world? Yes is it typical for one country? So No
Spoken words are relevant, right? yes but be careful.. are they spoken by the people performing the sport? Yesish
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Is the sport usually played outside? inside? Is it played near the building? in the building?
Is the sport cricket? baseball? softball?
How many players would usually be involved to play a game of this sport: 1? 2? ...?
Is the diameter of the ball more than 1? 2? 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? cm?
Is the ball filled with air?
Is it relevant where the building is? in a city? in the country? in a country to be found out?
Did this really happen? would it be helpful to find out in which century?
Is the sound of the sort of bat hitting the ball relevant?
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Is the sport usually played outside? Yes inside? Is it played near the building? Yes in the building? No
Is the sport cricket? baseball? softball? No to all
How many players would usually be involved to play a game of this sport: 1? 2? ...? Hard to answer this could be 1 to lots.
Is the diameter of the ball more than 1? 2?Yes and no to the rest 5? 10? 20? 50? 100? cm?
Is the ball filled with air? No
Is it relevant where the building is? in a city? in the country? Yes in a country to be found out? Irrelevant
Did this really happen? It could really happen, dont know if it has happened anywhere.would it be helpful to find out in which century? There are certain excluded centuries so we will say it happened in this one.
Is the sound of the sort of bat hitting the ball relevant? No
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Is the sport golf? Is the building a clubhouse (19th hole, or whatever they call them...)? Did they want to enlarge the building but couldn't because it would in some way interfere with the golfers?
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Is the sport golf? Yes Is the building a clubhouse (19th hole, or whatever they call them...)? Yes Did they want to enlarge the building but couldn't because it would in some way interfere with the golfers? ORT...They did enlarge the clubhouse.....
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Do we need to find out what the new part of the clubhouse will be used for?
Is music played in the clubhouse? relevant?
If the extension had been built at the first place: the people playing golf would have been hampered in any way? the people in the clubhouse would have been hampered? other people would have been hampered?
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whoops... meant to ask: Could they not build the extension in the first location because it would interfere with the golfers?

Do we need to figure out the specific way building in the first location would interfere with the golfers? Would it have impinged physically on the course? Would it have made it harder to hit a shot to a specific area (e.g. the place the walls were built would have meant golfers couldn't arc their shots over a certain area any more)? Would it have been built over the cart path? Would it have been directly responsible for the interference with the golfers? or would it have caused the moving of something else that would have interfered with the golfers (e.g. the cart path would have to be moved, but the only place it could move would go over one of the greens)?
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Do we need to find out what the new part of the clubhouse will be used for? Its largely irrelevant
Is music played in the clubhouse? Yes relevant? No
If the extension had been built at the first place: the people playing golf would have been hampered in any way? No the people in the clubhouse would have been hampered? It would have more effect on the people in the clubhouse potentially, but hampered is not really the right word other people would have been hampered? No

whoops... meant to ask: Could they not build the extension in the first location because it would interfere with the golfers?

Do we need to figure out the specific way building in the first location would interfere with the golfers? Would it have impinged physically on the course? Would it have made it harder to hit a shot to a specific area (e.g. the place the walls were built would have meant golfers couldn't arc their shots over a certain area any more)? Would it have been built over the cart path? Would it have been directly responsible for the interference with the golfers? or would it have caused the moving of something else that would have interfered with the golfers (e.g. the cart path would have to be moved, but the only place it could move would go over one of the greens)? If the extension were built in the original location it would have no impact on the course at all.
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Is any element of the existing building or of the extension particularly relevant: the walls? windows? doors? roof? stairs? paint? lightning? heating? electricity? furniture? any other object?
So the relevant music is played outside the clubhouse? In a building nearby?
Is anything outside the clubhouse relevant?
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Is any element of the existing building or of the extension particularly relevant: the walls? windows? doors? roof? stairs? paint? lightning? heating? electricity? furniture? any other object? Only the location
So the relevant music is played outside the clubhouse? You may be headed towards an FA! The relevant music has not happened yet! In a building nearby? No
Is anything outside the clubhouse relevant? Yes
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Is any object outside the clubhouse relevant? a building? something living?
So the following happened:
1. It was considered to build an extension at place 1.
2. The extension was built at place 2.
3. Something involving music happened.
Correct?
Or did 3. not happen because the extension was built at place 2? Or is the story not yet finished and 3. will happen in the future?
Anyway, is or would the relevant music be audible in the extension?
Is the genre of music relevant? instruments? lyrics?
Is there more to be found out about the people in the clubhouse?
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Is any object outside the clubhouse relevant? Yes a building? No something living? No
So the following happened:
1. It was considered to build an extension at place 1. Yes
2. The extension was built at place 2. Yes
3. Something involving music happened.
Correct? No
Or did 3. not happen because the extension was built at place 2? Yesish Or is the story not yet finished and 3. will happen in the future? Yesish
Anyway, is or would the relevant music be audible in the extension? Which extension
Is the genre of music relevant? instruments? lyrics? I feel music my be leading you down the wrong path a little
Is there more to be found out about the people in the clubhouse? Yes
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Does the story end before the extension is actually built?
Is there only one object outside the clubhouse relevant? 2? 3? ... ?
Is/are the relevant object/s made of: metal? wood? paper? cardboard? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic? rubber?
Is it/are they larger than 1 mm? 10 mm? 100 mm? 1 m? 10 m? 100 m?
Is there a specific action the people perform in the clubhouse relevant: eating? drinking? speaking? sitting? anything else?
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Blooper Alert The relevant thing outside the clubhouse is not an object!

Does the story end before the extension is actually built? Irrelevant its the reason for the change that is important
Is there only one object outside the clubhouse relevant? 2? 3? ... ?
Is/are the relevant object/s made of: metal? wood? paper? cardboard? glass? stone? concrete? tissue? organic material? plastic? rubber?
Is it/are they larger than 1 mm? 10 mm? 100 mm? 1 m? 10 m? 100 m?
Is there a specific action the people perform in the clubhouse relevant: eating? drinking? speaking? sitting? anything else? No to specific action
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I HAVE RETURNED! For a brief period, anyways!

Does the extension (in the second spot) have any relevance in relation: to scenery? Being outdoors? to a balcony of some sort?
Was the extension planned in the new spot necessary for anything that may be hindered: indoors in the old spot? outdoors in the old spot?
Will the extension have a roof? or will the extension be uncovered? If covered, is the extension a screenhouse of some sort? an enclosed porch? a building (made of wood, glass, etc.)?
Is the new spot closer to a parking lot than the old spot?
Will the extension be used as a restaraunt? a bar? a party area?
Does the extension have a specific purpose?
Is it projected that the clubhouse/golf course will make more money on the proposed second position than the first position?
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Does the extension (in the second spot) have any relevance in relation: to scenery? No Being outdoors? Ish kind of the right track to a balcony of some sort?No
Was the extension planned in the new spot necessary for anything that may be hindered: indoors in the old spot? outdoors in the old spot? dont really know what your asking with these two
Will the extension have a roof? Yes or will the extension be uncovered? No If covered, is the extension a screenhouse of some sort? an enclosed porch? a building (made of wood, glass, etc.)? It is a building
Is the new spot closer to a parking lot than the old spot? Irrelevant
Will the extension be used as a restaraunt? a bar? a party area? The actual use is largely irrelevant, lets just say it increases the capacity of the building
Does the extension have a specific purpose? \b[Not really}
Is it projected that the clubhouse/golf course will make more money on the proposed second position than the first position? it will probably make more money wherever the extension is built, however the extension being built in the first location could cause some members to go elsewhere!
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....Is there a bog nearby the first location that would harbor hundreds of mosquitoes to come attack the members? (This may be a long shot, but... do they play high pitched music to scare them off...?)
Is the first location near anything hazardous or unpleasant in any way, such as a dump or a nuclear power plant, etc?
You said it may help to find out about the people in the clubhouse...
Ages relevant? if so, 1-10, 11-20, 21-30...(and so on.)
Gender relevant? Careers relevant? (If so, insert LTPF list of jobs)
(Heard something above about music, so) Music preference relevant?

The relevant thing outside the clubhouse... is it:
Animal/plant/mineral?
Something less able to categorize, like air or water or a cliff?
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....Is there a bog nearby the first location that would harbor hundreds of mosquitoes to come attack the members? No(This may be a long shot, but... do they play high pitched music to scare them off...?) No
Is the first location near anything hazardous or unpleasant in any way, such as a dump or a nuclear power plant, etc? No
You said it may help to find out about the people in the clubhouse...
Ages relevant? Yes if so, 1-10, 11-20, 21-30...(and so on.) The ages of the members ranges between 18 and 70. This is relevant
Gender relevant? No Careers relevant? No (If so, insert LTPF list of jobs)
(Heard something above about music, so) Music preference relevant? Music is involved but you may go off on a FA if you try and follow this link

The relevant thing outside the clubhouse... is it:
Animal/plant/mineral? No
Something less able to categorize, like air or water or a cliff? Yes very much so
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So the people are male and female (according to "July 01, 2009 - 11:46 am" I thought they were all male)?
Age is relevant because of something related to: driving licence? membership of the golf club? voting? consume of alcohol or drugs?
Would the puzzle work with a tennis club? a bridge club?
Does the relevant thing outside of the clubhouse consist of atoms? is it a gas? a liquid a solid? is it visible? audible? palpable?
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So the people are male and female (according to "July 01, 2009 - 11:46 am" I thought they were all male)? My apologies I meant human adult, male and female.
Age is relevant because of something related to: driving licence? No membership of the golf club? No voting? Yesish consume of alcohol or drugs? No
Would the puzzle work with a tennis club? a bridge club? If the club had similar rules it would work
Does the relevant thing outside of the clubhouse consist of atoms? no is it a gas? No a liquid a solid? No is it visible? No audible? Yesish with a be careful palpable? \b[No}
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Are minors allowed to: be member of the golf club? enter the clubhouse?
Is the plenum or another meeting of the golf club relevant? Is there something in the statute of the golf club to find out? something inhabituel?
Do the members of the golf club share anything else (e.g. they are all left handed)?
Is there anything to be found out about the location of the golf club (e.g. is it on an island)?
You said that the age of the members goes up to 70. If a member turns 71 will he or she: be excluded from the golf club? just no more be part of the group of people relevant to the puzzle?
Are numbers relevant in this puzzle?
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Are minors allowed to: be member of the golf club? As junior members but they have no voting rights enter the clubhouse? Yes
Is the plenum or another meeting of the golf club relevant? The extension was discussed at the members meeting, and this is where the location was decided, after some debate Is there something in the statute of the golf club to find out? something about the rules of the clubhouse something inhabituel? huh?
Do the members of the golf club share anything else (e.g. they are all left handed)? No
Is there anything to be found out about the location of the golf club (e.g. is it on an island)? Something about the location is slightly relevant, but not really its physical location
You said that the age of the members goes up to 70. If a member turns 71 will he or she: be excluded from the golf club? just no more be part of the group of people relevant to the puzzle? No you can be any age at the older end.
Are numbers relevant in this puzzle? No with a tiny ish
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Is there something in the rules of the golfclub that you would not typically find in the rules of other clubs?
Does the relevant rule refer to: the building? building an extension? the members meeting? voting system?
So at the meeting two locations of the extension were discussed? at the end there was a vote? and the second location won? if yes is the exact result of the poll relevant?
Are the persons suggesting location 1 (location 2?) relevant?
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Is there something in the rules of the golfclub that you would not typically find in the rules of other clubs? Yes
Does the relevant rule refer to: the building? Yesbuilding an extension? No the members meeting? No voting system? No
So at the meeting two locations of the extension were discussed? Yes at the end there was a vote? Yes and the second location won? Yes if yes is the exact result of the poll relevant? No
Are the persons suggesting location 1 (location 2?) relevant? T an extent yes
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Is the shape of the building relevant? Will the extension change the shape in a relevant way? if the extension was built in the first place would this have changed the shape in a relevant way?
Is the history of the building relevant? When and how it was built? The person who built it?
So the people considered to build the extension at the first place and then they found something in the rules preventing them from doing so? Would it have been possible to change the rules instead?
Is the name of the club relevant? any other word? Is there any particular word in the rules to be found out?
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Is the shape of the building relevant? No Will the extension change the shape in a relevant way? No if the extension was built in the first place would this have changed the shape in a relevant way? No
Is the history of the building relevant? No When and how it was built? No The person who built it? No
So the people considered to build the extension at the first place and then they found something in the rules preventing them from doing so? Not something that prevented them, but the rules of the clubhouse are definatley relevantWould it have been possible to change the rules instead? Yes and this was involved in the discussion about the extension
Is the name of the club relevant? No any other word? No Is there any particular word in the rules to be found out? Not a particular word, but the actual rule is the key to the whole thing.
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Is there a relevant difference between the group of people who supported location 1 and the group who supported location 2 (other than which location they supported)?

Does the yes-ish to audible imply that the relevant thing outside the clubhouse is something NOT heard, rather than something heard? For example, does it have to do with not being able to hear golf balls being hit? Not being able to hear certain music? Not being able to hear people yelling fore? Not being able to hear birds singing? Not hearing something else?
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Is there a relevant difference between the group of people who supported location 1 and the group who supported location 2 (other than which location they supported)? Yesish the group that supported the old location tended to have a physical difference, although this is not necessarily the case with all of them, and vice versa.

Does the yes-ish to audible imply that the relevant thing outside the clubhouse is something NOT heard, rather than something heard? The relevant thing itself is not actually heard but noise is the problem. (sorry this will become much clearer when the you know the answer.) For example, does it have to do with not being able to hear golf balls being hit? Not being able to hear certain music? Yesish Not being able to hear people yelling fore? Not being able to hear birds singing? Not hearing something else? Not hearing something is very relevant
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Hmm, would the physical difference between the two groups be age? Was group 1 (old location) generally older than group 2? Was group 1 more likely to be hard of hearing? So that hearing or not hearing the relevant music or other sound was less of an issue for them? Or did the fact that they had a hard time hearing mean that they were less likely to notice a problem related to noise?

Was the old location close to a noisy highway? Or something else that made a lot of noise that would make it hard to hear what was going on in the clubhouse?
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Hmm, would the physical difference between the two groups be age? Yes Was group 1 (old location) generally older than group 2? Yes Was group 1 more likely to be hard of hearing? IrrelevantSo that hearing or not hearing the relevant music or other sound was less of an issue for them? IrrelevantOr did the fact that they had a hard time hearing mean that they were less likely to notice a problem related to noise? The problem would be heard by evreyone

Was the old location close to a noisy highway? NoOr something else that made a lot of noise that would make it hard to hear what was going on in the clubhouse? No
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Was the generally-older group likely to prefer a different kind of music than the generally-younger group? Relevant?
(from this point, I'm just going to call them the old group and the young/new group, ok?)

And to clarify: Was the problem with the old location that they (young/new group) would not hear something that they did want to hear? Or that they would hear something they did not want to hear?

Did the old group have the opposite preference from the new/young group as related to what they could hear? Or were they indifferent about whether they could hear/not hear the sound(s)?
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Was the generally-older group likely to prefer a different kind of music than the generally-younger group? Irrelevant Relevant?
(from this point, I'm just going to call them the old group and the young/new group, ok?) Fine

And to clarify: Was the problem with the old location that they (young/new group) would not hear something that they did want to hear? Or that they would hear something they did not want to hear? There seems to bit a bit of an fa here, the hearing aspect is secondary to why the two groups differed in opinion however it is involved, sorry if there is a little bit of confusion but all will become clear.See the hint.

Did the old group have the opposite preference from the new/young group as related to what they could hear? Or were they indifferent about whether they could hear/not hear the sound(s)?

HINT. an everyday activity is involved, you would be wise to investigate this.
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Every day activity: eating? drinking? using the toilet? Choosing what to wear?
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Every day activity: eating? drinking? using the toilet? Choosing what to wear? None of these, and just to clarify not everyone does it everyday but it is very common
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Conversation? Networking? Playing a game? Arguing?

Is it something you would typically expect to take place specifically in a golf clubhouse, or would it take place anywhere?
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Conversation?Yes Networking? Yes Playing a game? No Arguing? Maybe

Is it something you would typically expect to take place specifically in a golf clubhouse, or would it take place anywhere? You would not expect it to take place IN a clubhouse
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So it's taking place on the golf course, then?
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So it's taking place on the golf course, then? Definatley not out on the actual course!!
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I'm totally confused. If it's not on the course, and not in the clubhouse, I have no idea where else it could possibly be. Unless it's not at the golf club at all, but in some entirely separate location?
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Does the relevant everyday activity involve any object? If so, 1? 2?...

Is it talking on the phone? Mobile phones relevant? Any other technology relevant?

You said the golf club had an unusual rule. Is it of the kind "members mustn't X"? "Members must X"? Does the rule involve the everyday activity mentioned above? Does the rule affect the young group more than the old group (e.g. "it is forbidden to run in the clubhouse" would affect young people more than old people)?
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Does the relevant everyday activity involve any object? Yes If so, 1? Yes 2?...

Is it talking on the phone? Yes Mobile phones relevant? Yes Any other technology relevant? No

You said the golf club had an unusual rule. Its usual for golf clubs Is it of the kind "members mustn't X"? Yes "Members must X"? Does the rule involve the everyday activity mentioned above? Yes Does the rule affect the young group more than the old group (e.g. "it is forbidden to run in the clubhouse" would affect young people more than old people)? The younger group tend to be more affected
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Members' must not use cell phones on the golf course? Members must not use cell phones in the club house? Members must not use audible ringtones on their cell phone? Members must not play cutesy mustic on the ringtone? =)

The younger members were more affected because they were more likely to have cell phones, right?

Was the problem with the old location that cell phone reception was bad? That you could hear people talking on their phones from whatever location they were allowed to talk on them from?
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Members' must not use cell phones on the golf course? Yes Members must not use cell phones in the club house? Yes Members must not use audible ringtones on their cell phone? Phones are not to be used in the clubhouse or the course Members must not play cutesy mustic on the ringtone? =)

The younger members were more affected because they were more likely to have cell phones, right? Yes

Was the problem with the old location that cell phone reception was bad? No That you could hear people talking on their phones from whatever location they were allowed to talk on them from? Not really but you are OTRT with the last two questions
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Was the new location closer to a place where they were allowed to use cell phones (so they could step out easily to make a call)?
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Was the new location closer to a place where they were allowed to use cell phones (so they could step out easily to make a call)? No they were allowed to use cell phones outside the clubhouse, but....
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Was the old location in the outside place where they usually went to use their cell phones (since they weren't allowed to use them in the clubhouse or on the course)? So if they built an extension there, they wouldn't be able to go out there to use their phones anymore?
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Was the old location in the outside place where they usually went to use their cell phones (since they weren't allowed to use them in the clubhouse or on the course)? So if they built an extension there, they wouldn't be able to go out there to use their phones anymore?

I reckon thats good enough for a ****SPOILER**** A golf club in a particularly hilly area had a real problem with mobile phone reception. As this was a golf club the use of mobile phones was prohibited in the clubhouse and on the course, however the popularity of mobile devices among the younger members led them to discover a small area outside the back of the clubhouse where an acceptable level of signal existed. Being outside using this area to telephone, check e-mail etc was perfectly acceptable. When it was decided to improve the clubhouse with an extension this area was the most logical choice, however this would put the only good signal area inside the clubhouse and thus prohibit the use of mobile devices. At the meeting there was a great deal of discussion about the extension and changing the rules about mobiles etc, with the only agreeable option being to build the extension elsewhere, and keep the existing external area as an area of good signal strength.
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Thanks to everyone that played. I will be back with another soon. Martin

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