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Finno (Finno)
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Posted on Wednesday, September 09, 2009 - 10:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Finally he demanded money from Mak for his tips.
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Tips = advice?
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Tips = advice? Yes
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Is Mak a person? A corporation? An organization?
Finno (Finno)
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Posted on Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 6:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Mak a person? HAM A corporation? An organization?
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Were Mak's tips wrong? Anonymous?

Is "he" a policeman? A journalist? Is he engaged in relevant legal activities? Illegal?
Finno (Finno)
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Were Mak's tips wrong? Mak's tips? Perhaps it will help if you can probe a bit to clarify who is doing what Anonymous? Mak did not know him

Is "he" a policeman? No A journalist? No Is he engaged in relevant legal activities? No Illegal? yes
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I see. So Mak is not the one to give the tips, correct? COuld we call "him" Anthony? Could the the phrase run like "Finally Anthony demanded money from Mak for his (Anthony's) tips?"

Tips - as in horse races? Another game/sport? Gambling?
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Tips as in money given for a service? Were the tips given openly, or "under the table?" Location relevant? Time period relevant? Other people relevant? If so, one, two, three or more? Are age, religion, sexuality, or family relationships relevant? If so, which, and to whom do they apply?
Finno (Finno)
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I see. So Mak is not the one to give the tips, correct? Yes COuld we call "him" Anthony? Yes Could the the phrase run like "Finally Anthony demanded money from Mak for his (Anthony's) tips?" Perfect
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Tips as in money given for a service? No. Tip = Prediction of Future Outcome Were the tips given openly, or "under the table?" By telephone Location relevant? No Time period relevant? Noish Other people relevant? Yes If so, one, two, three or more? More Are age, religion, sexuality, or family relationships relevant? If so, which, and to whom do they apply? No to all
Finno (Finno)
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Tips - as in horse races? This Another game/sport? Gambling?
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Did Anthony give Mak tips on which horses to bet on? Did Mak win lots of money on the horses? Did Anthony demand a share of the winnings?
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Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2009 - 11:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Anthony give Mak tips on which horses to bet on? Yes Did Mak win lots of money on the horses? Not lots of money, but he did win decently Did Anthony demand a share of the winnings? Anthony demanded upfront money, not share
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Is there a relevant reason why he is asking for upfront money now, and not before?
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Is there a relevant reason why he is asking for upfront money now, and not before? Yes. If you can figure this out, you have cracked the puzzle.
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Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 11:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Anthony asking for upfront money because he is himself unable to place bets?

If so, is he physically unable to place the bets? Is he restricted by some law or contract from placing bets?
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Does he ask for an amount of money which could be considered as a fair payment for giving useful tips (so Mak can use the tips to win even more money)? Or does he ask for larger amounts so we must consider the demand as some kind of blackmail?
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Is Anthony asking for upfront money because he is himself unable to place bets? No, he can place bets if he wishes so
If so, is he physically unable to place the bets? Is he restricted by some law or contract from placing bets? No to all
Finno (Finno)
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Does he ask for an amount of money which could be considered as a fair payment for giving useful tips (so Mak can use the tips to win even more money)? No, a tip is a tip. Its not a guarantee Or does he ask for larger amounts so we must consider the demand as some kind of blackmail? No blackmailing involved here
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Does Anthony have a chance to influence the results of the races? Is he a jockey? A horse owner? A bookie? Another person involved in the races?
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Does Anthony have a chance to influence the results of the races? No Is he a jockey? No A horse owner? No A bookie? No Another person involved in the races? let's say, he is a spectator of races
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Posted on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*********Hint**********
The total number of relevant people involved in this incident is 344. And this number is extremely important to crack this puzzle. A little bit of mathematical aptitude will help a lot.
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Posted on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 2:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm. 344...

7^3 = 343 . Relevant?

Are all the 344 people directly related to horses and racing? If not, then approximately how many are?
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Ddi Anthony demand money from more people than Mak? Did he give tips to more people? Did he give the same tip to everyone? Did he actually have some useful information helping him give good tips? Did he get that information in a legal way?
Finno (Finno)
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Hmmm. 344...

7^3 = 343 . Relevant? Absolutely, I think I should not have given such a blunt hint :-). But then the lack of interest in this thread forced me to do so.

Are all the 344 people directly related to horses and racing? If not, then approximately how many are? They are relevant to the story here, they may or may not have bet on horses. Mak did for sure.
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Ddi Anthony demand money from more people than Mak? No Did he give tips to more people? Yes Did he give the same tip to everyone? not to EVERYONE Did he actually have some useful information helping him give good tips? No Did he get that information in a legal way? He had no information
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Did Anthony give the same tip to everyone but Mak? Or one tip to a group of people, another tip to another group? A group of 3 people? 7?
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Is the notion that Anthony gave different tips to a large number of people? that is, did he in fact tip all possible winning combinations, and then demand money from the one gambler to whom he had given the successful combination?
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Did Anthony give the same tip to everyone but Mak? Or one tip to a group of people, another tip to another group? This A group of 3 people? No 7? yesish

Is the notion that Anthony gave different tips to a large number of people? Yes that is, did he in fact tip all possible winning combinations, and then demand money from the one gambler to whom he had given the successful combination? Very close, but I expect a better crack of the puzzle after giving out a big hint
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Posted on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 10:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Suppose there are three horse races, each with seven runners. Anthony proceeds as follows:

He randomly selects 343 names from the telephone directory, and divides them into 7 groups of 49 people.

To the nth group of people, he predicts that horse number n will win the first race.

When, say, horse number 3 wins the first race, he has correctly predicted this to 49 people (the third of his original seven groups).

Now he divides those 49 people into seven groups of seven and repeats the process: that is, he predicts to the nth group that horse n will win the second race.

When, say, horse number 5 wins the second race, he has correctly predicted the outcome of two races to seven people. For the third race, he gives each of those seven a different horse to back, and one "lucky" punter (call him Mak) has bet on three consecutive winners. At this point, Anthony demands from Mak a share of the winnings.

Anything like this?
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Surely :-)
Finno (Finno)
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Suppose there are three horse races, each with seven runners. Anthony proceeds as follows:

He randomly selects 343 names from the telephone directory, and divides them into 7 groups of 49 people.

To the nth group of people, he predicts that horse number n will win the first race.

When, say, horse number 3 wins the first race, he has correctly predicted this to 49 people (the third of his original seven groups).

Now he divides those 49 people into seven groups of seven and repeats the process: that is, he predicts to the nth group that horse n will win the second race.

When, say, horse number 5 wins the second race, he has correctly predicted the outcome of two races to seven people. For the third race, he gives each of those seven a different horse to back, and one "lucky" punter (call him Mak) has bet on three consecutive winners. At this point, Anthony demands from Mak a share of the winnings.

Anything like this? Good one. Not exactly as per my original idea, but this also fits the puzzle
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Posted on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 6:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***********SPOILER***************

Each Friday- a stranger calls Mak with a hot tip for Saturday's race. Each week for three weeks the horse wins. Mak is being conned. How?
- The phone call comes the day before the race.
- On week four- the stranger asks for money before giving his tip.
- Each race has seven horses entered- and Mak's previous wins were luck.
- The stranger began his con game by calling 343 different people.

Week 1: The con man gave one tip to 49 people- a different tip to 49 others- etc. Week 2: He called the 49 winners and divided them among 7 new horses. Week 3: He called the seven winners- etc. Week 4: He cashed in on one lucky winner- Mak


The puzzle is not mine. Came across this on net sometime ago

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