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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 7:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Well, you believe me now, don't you?"

"Of course I do. How could I NOT believe you, after all that? And I do apologize. You have been very generous indeed."

What happened?
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Hmm this looks interesting.

Are there only 2 people involved? are they both H? A? . I get the feeling one of them is you is that correct?

Did the person that says "Well you beleive...." perform an action to prove something which teh second person had disbelieved?

Did the second person disbelieve something that the first person had claimed about themselves e.g. I swear I've never seen that woman before!

Or did they state a fact that the second person disbelieved e.g. some piece of trivia or such like?

Any relevant occupations? hobbies? Location relevant? era?
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Title relevant?

Is the second person apologizing for not believing the first person initially?
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Hmm this looks interesting. Thanks. I'll do my best not to disappoint you :-))

Are there only 2 people involved? Yes are they both H? A? Yes, and M too.. I get the feeling one of them is you is that correct? Unfortunately, it isn't.

Did the person that says "Well you beleive...." perform an action to prove something which teh second person had disbelieved? Yes

Did the second person disbelieve something that the first person had claimed about themselves Yes e.g. I swear I've never seen that woman before! but not along this line

Or did they state a fact that the second person disbelieved e.g. some piece of trivia or such like? No

Any relevant occupations? Yes hobbies? Location relevant? Yes era? Yes

Title relevant? Very much so :-))

Is the second person apologizing for not believing the first person initially? Yes
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Would it give too much away too quickly to ask for the LTPF lists of occupations, centuries and countries? Is the location urban or rural? Relevant?

Have they just been through some sort of ordeal? Has person 2 witnessed person 1 do? Say? Prove? something he previously doubted possible? Is their relationship relevant?
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Would it give too much away too quickly to ask for the LTPF lists of occupations, centuries and countries? Let's see. 16th century, England. It is up to you to find out what their occupations were. Is the location urban Thisor rural? Relevant? Somehow

Have they just been through some sort of ordeal? No Has person 2 witnessed person 1 do? This Say? Prove? And this something he previously doubted possible? Yes Is their relationship relevant? Yes
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Are they relatives? Friends? Coworkers? Acquaintances? Did 2 doubt 1 was WHO he claimed to be? Is either person famous? Both? Other people relevant?
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Are they relatives? Friends? Coworkers? Yope Acquaintances? No to the rest Did 2 doubt 1 was WHO he claimed to be? No Is either person famous? Both? Not very much Other people relevant? Not really
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Are they alone? Is their general location relevant? If so, is it urban, rural, or in between? Are they speaking to each other, or corresponding by letter? Are they part of a hierarchy? If so, which is on top, or are they on the same level? Relevant?
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Are they alone?No, there are other people too but they are not relevant to our puzzle Is their general location relevant? Somehow If so, is it urban This, rural, or in between? Are they speaking to each other, or corresponding by letter? Speaking Are they part of a hierarchy? Do you mean an organization? If so, the answer is No If so, which is on top, or are they on the same level? Their positions are fairly similar, as to the level Relevant? Yesish
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Did Person 1 physically do something (ie something that required him to move, lift something, etc.) or do something that requires no physical work (write something, speak to someone else, etc.)?
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Did Person 1 physically do something (ie something that required him to move, lift something, etc.) This or do something that requires no physical work (write something, speak to someone else, etc.)?
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Could Person 2 be considered to have insulted Person 1? Did Person 1 give Person 2 something?
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Could Person 2 be considered to have insulted Person 1? Yes Did Person 1 give Person 2 something? Yes
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Anything valuable involved? Did Person 1 move a long distance? Lift/carry a large weight? Was Person 2's belief that Person 1 could not physically do something? Do both Persons 1 and 2 have the same profession? Are they rivals? Is Person 1 famous? Person 2? Are they on television? Or otherwise before an audience?

Are sports involved? Athletics?
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Anything valuable involved? No Did Person 1 move a long distance? No Lift/carry a large weight? No Was Person 2's belief that Person 1 could not physically do something? Yes Do both Persons 1 and 2 have the same profession? Yes Are they rivals? Sort of Is Person 1 famous? Person 2? No, at least not from our point of view Are they on television? Um... no, given the period when it takes place Or otherwise before an audience? Very likely but irrelevant

Are sports involved? Yesish Athletics? but not this
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Oh yeah, 16th century. :p Um, are they bear-baiters? Soldiers? Knights?

Aha... is one of them royal?
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Oh yeah, 16th century. :p Um, are they bear-baiters? Soldiers? Knights? No

Aha... is one of them royal? No
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Darn, I had a hunch it might have something to do with The Prince and the Pauper. I was thinking about rereading it yesterday... but you said no one famous was involved. Is this a true story? FYOI?

Is a game involved? Something involving points? Anything dangerous? Boasting involved?
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Darn, I had a hunch it might have something to do with The Prince and the Pauper. I was thinking about rereading it yesterday...No, at least not AFAIK (I have a notion about The Prince and the Pauper, but I have never read the whole story) but you said no one famous was involved. Is this a true story? Yes FYOI? No
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Hmm, sports but not athletics...is hunting relevant? Fishing? A battle of wits? A board game? A card game?
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Hmm, sports but not athletics It was yesish for the sports :-))...is hunting relevant? Fishing? A battle of wits? A board game? A card game? Neither of the above
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Something like Jousting?
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Something like Jousting? No but well OTRT
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Is the sport violent? Dangerous? Do Person 1 and 2 both play it? Against each other? Was either of them boasting?
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Duelling ? Swordfighting?
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Is the sport violent? Yes Dangerous? Yes Do Person 1 and 2 both play it Yes? Against each other? Yes Was either of them boasting? Yes

Duelling ? Yesish Swordfighting? This is even closer
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Fencing?
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Fencing? Yes
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Any fencer will tell you that fencing is very much a demanding, athletic sport, for what it's worth. They're quite defensive about it. I'm not a fencer, but I've known several

Is this something along the lines of one person didn't believe a particular was possible in fencing, and the other person proved them wrong?
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Any fencer will tell you that fencing is very much a demanding, athletic sport, for what it's worth. They're quite defensive about it. I'm not a fencer, but I've known several. You're right. However, there is a HUGE difference between modern sports fencing (which is basically what you say, and which I would definitely qualify as a sport), stage fencing (which is merely a performance, though quite a demanding one) and fencing back there in the 16th century. It was not JUST a sport back then but a martial art which could effectively save your life.


Is this something along the lines of one person didn't believe a particular was possible in fencing, and the other person proved them wrong? Very much so.
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Had the two of them been fencing? Did person 1 use an unusual technique? Had person 1 been generous during the match in some way?
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Had the two of them been fencing? Yes Did person 1 use an unusual technique? Difficult to answer. Let it be Yesish. Had person 1 been generous during the match in some way? Yes
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Did person 1 use their non-dominant hand?
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Did person 2 drop his sword, and person 1 allowed him to pick it up?

Was person 1 in disguise at any point?

Did person 2 doubt a claim of person 1. (such as, "I am the finest swordsman in France!")

Are they fencers by trade? Musketeers, for example?
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Did person 1 use their non-dominant hand? \No

Did person 2 drop his sword, and person 1 allowed him to pick it up? \No

Was person 1 in disguise at any point? \No

Did person 2 doubt a claim of person 1. (such as, "I am the finest swordsman in France!") \Not exactly this, but very much OTRT

Are they fencers by trade? \Yes Musketeers, for example? \but not this
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Was person 1 chivalrous in some way? Or generous in the sense of giving person 2 something valuable? Has person 2 learned a lesson?

Have they been fencing against each other, or against a third party?

Was person 2 apologizing for an insult? An injury? Something else?
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Was person 1 chivalrous in some way? Yes Or generous in the sense of giving person 2 something valuable? If you mean something tangible, then the answer is No Has person 2 learned a lesson? Definitely

Have they been fencing against each other This, or against a third party? No

Was person 2 apologizing for an insult? Yes An injury? No Something else? No
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Are the other people present an audience? Are they judging the match? Is this match in public?

Who won the match, person 1 or 2? Relevant?

Is the lesson person 2 learned moral, or is it about techniques of fencing?

Had Person 1 been pulling his punches at some point during the match? Person 2?
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Are the other people present an audience? Probably but not so much relevant Are they judging the match? No Is this match in public? Probably but not so much relevant

Who won the match, person 1 or 2? Person 1 Relevant? Very much so

Is the lesson person 2 learned moral, or is it about techniques of fencing? Both

Had Person 1 been pulling his punches at some point during the match? Definitely Person 2? Definitely not

Very good questions!
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What does "pulling his punches" mean?
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As far as I understand it, not to use all the force/skill he is able to
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Is a boastful statement relevant? I could beat you with one hand tied behind my back? I could beat you blindfolded? Something similar?
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Is a boastful statement relevant? Yes I could beat you with one hand tied behind my back? I could beat you blindfolded? Something similar? Not exactly any of those you quoted, but very similar and very relevant.
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Is a specific body part relevant? If so, eye? finger? hand? arm? leg? foot? other?

Shoes on the wrong feet? Legs tied together? Hopping on one leg?

Was it a normal fencing sword? If no, was it shorter?
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Is a specific body part relevant? Not really If so, eye? finger? hand? arm? leg? foot? other? I think it will be closest to say that the boasting had to do with all the body parts in general. As it was a real situation and had been recorded, I can say that an eye was mentioned specifically but this could be very much misleading.

Shoes on the wrong feet? Legs tied together? Hopping on one leg? No, and OTWT. The fact that he did not do everything he was able to do did not consist in voluntarily disabling himself

Was it a normal fencing sword? It was probably a rapier, not a sword, but both weapons were perfectly common ones, there was nothing special about them If no, was it shorter?
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Was he drunk? Did he go several days without sleep before the match? Something similar?
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Was he drunk? Did he go several days without sleep before the match? Something similar? No, nothing like this. He did not do anything which might weaken him or make him less able to fight
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Is the title relevant?

Was this a to-the-touch match? Were they trying to injure each other? Was it a demonstration, with blunted swords? Relevant?

The moral lesson person 2 learned: Is it not to underestimate your opponent? Not to insult someone who is a better fencer than you?

Before the fight, were the two arguing? Shouting? Angry? Drinking? Did someone else get them to fight each other?

The fencing lesson person 2 learned - How to attack? Defend? Psych out your opponent? Confuse him?

Is the specific location (in a bar, a school, a street, a theater) relevant?
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Did the generosity consist of sparing the other person's life when he had been beaten? Was the loser disarmed in the fight? Relevant?
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Is the title relevant? Very much so, and in quite a lateral way :-)).

Was this a to-the-touch match? What exactly do you mean? Were they trying to injure each other? Yope Was it a demonstration Sort of, with blunted swords No? Relevant? Yes

The moral lesson person 2 learned: Is it not to underestimate your opponent? Yes Not to insult someone who is a better fencer than you? Yes

Before the fight, were the two arguing? Yesish to yope Shouting? No Angry? Possibly Drinking? I do not know Did someone else get them to fight each other? No

The fencing lesson person 2 learned - How to attack? This Defend? And also this Psych out your opponent? Confuse him? The two latter ones only in relation to the two former ones

Is the specific location (in a bar, a school, a street, a theater) relevant? It was on the street, and it was somehow relevant

Did the generosity consist of sparing the other person's life Yes when he had been beaten? Yesish; there is another important aspect to this Was the loser disarmed in the fight? No Relevant? Yes
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Would the words "heated discussion" be better than argument? Were they arguing over a point of fencing? A point of honor?

By "touch," I meant to ask if the intent of the fight was that the winner was the first to touch the other with his rapier. Or did one opponent have to surrender, or be too injured to continue? Relevant?
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Would the words "heated discussion" be better than argument? It would be closer, yes Were they arguing over a point of fencing? This A point of honor? No

By "touch," I meant to ask if the intent of the fight was that the winner was the first to touch the other with his rapier. No Or did one opponent have to surrender No, or be too injured to continue? No Relevant? It is relevant what happened during the fight and how it ended, yes
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Did they meet on the street? Had they ever met before? Should person 2 have recognized person 1?
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Did they meet on the street? Yes Had they ever met before? No Should person 2 have recognized person 1? Noish - i.e. the problem did not stem from the fact 2 did not recognize 1; however, if he knew him sufficiently well, there would probably be no conflict at all
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Was 2's argument that a certain move in fencing was impossible? Or that he could easily defend against it?

Do we have to know much about fencing to figure this out?

If it were not fencing, but fisticuffs, would the situation still hold true?
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Was 2's argument that a certain move in fencing was impossible? Noish but OTRT Or that he could easily defend against it? Not exactly

Do we have to know much about fencing to figure this out? Not really

If it were not fencing, but fisticuffs, would the situation still hold true? If you mean something like boxing, than it would not be feasible in the same way
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Was one person not using his best hand?
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Was one person not using his best hand? Good thinking, but no. As we have already established, neither of the adversaries was disabled in any manner, voluntarily or not
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Was feinting involved? Did person 1 do something completely unexpected? Something that would not normally be done in a fencing match?
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I have to tell you, the title of this puzzle appeared in my dream last night! It was painted on a wall. I had no idea what it meant in the dream, either. I just looked at it, thought, "hmm, that's strange, I wonder what it means," and walked off and went back to the rest of my dream. I woke up highly amused. =)

Did either of them cheat? Win by catching the opponent off guard? By confusing the opponent?
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Was feinting involved? Possibly Did person 1 do something completely unexpected? He certainly did something 2 did not expect Something that would not normally be done in a fencing match? The exact moves are not as relevant as the final result

I have to tell you, the title of this puzzle appeared in my dream last night! It was painted on a wall. I had no idea what it meant in the dream, either. I just looked at it, thought, "hmm, that's strange, I wonder what it means," and walked off and went back to the rest of my dream. I woke up highly amused. =) I am highly flattered. I hope the final picture does not disappoint you :-))

Did either of them cheat? No Win by catching the opponent off guard? By confusing the opponent? You cannot hit the opponent without catching him off-guard or confusing him; let us say 1 hit 2 in a very peculiar manner
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Did 1 still hold his sabre when he hit 2? Did 2 hold his?
Was anything more than the two persons and the two sabres involved in this "drama"?
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Did 1 still hold his sabre when he hit 2? Did 2 hold his? Yes to both if you replace "sabre" by "rapier" :-))
Was anything more than the two persons and the two sabres involved in this "drama"? Yes indeed
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Sorry, must have dreamt of sabres tonight...

Did anything grow by the street? Hazelnuts? Brambles? Did 1 use anything growing by the street in the fight? Did 1 use anything but the rapier to fight with?

Is it important what 2 boasted? Was 1's "lesson" to 2 including a play-with-words?
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Did anything grow by the street? No, but... Hazelnuts? These were used, yes Brambles? No Did 1 use anything growing by the street in the fight? He did use hazelnuts; he had to buy them but it is not relevant how he got them Did 1 use anything but the rapier to fight with? He fought just with the rapier; he used the hazelnuts but did not fight "with" them

Is it important what 2 boasted? FA Was 1's "lesson" to 2 including a play-with-words? Not really
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So the title is relevant?

Did person 1 scoop up hazelnuts and throw them in his opponent's face? Cause his opponent to fall on them? Use them as a distraction?
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So the title is relevant? very much so

Did person 1 scoop up hazelnuts and throw them in his opponent's face? Cause his opponent to fall on them? Use them as a distraction? Neither
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Would other nuts have done just as well? Small pebbles?
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Would other nuts have done just as well? Small pebbles? Hmm.. chestnuts would possibly have worked under certain conditions, but the effect would not have been as strong as it was with hazelnuts; you would have to prepare the small pebbles in a certain way for them to work as well.
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Did the hazelnuts affect person 1? 2? Was 2 aware of the hazelnuts before the fight? Did the boasting involve hazelnuts in some way ("give me a few hazelnuts and I can beat you easily?")? Do the smell or taste of the hazelnuts have any relevance? Their shape? Their color? How many of them were there - 2, 3, 4, more? relevant? Is the shell relevant? Were hazelnuts eaten at some point -- by person 1 or 2?
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Did the hazelnuts affect person 1? 2? What exactly do you mean by affecting? They did not change anything in them, if you mean this Was 2 aware of the hazelnuts before the fight? Yes Did the boasting involve hazelnuts in some way ("give me a few hazelnuts and I can beat you easily?")? No, but... Do the smell or taste of the hazelnuts have any relevance? Not at all Their shape? Yesish Their color? No How many of them were there - 2, 3, 4, more? 24 clusters relevant? very much so Is the shell relevant? not as such Were hazelnuts eaten at some point -- by person 1 or 2? By neither
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Is it important that the nuts were sitting in clusters? Did person 1 do something to a cluster with his rapier?
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Is it important that the nuts were sitting in clusters? Very much so Did person 1 do something to a cluster with his rapier? Yes indeed
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Were the clusters thrown up in the air?
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Were the clusters thrown up in the air? No
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BLOOOOPER! The answer to the last question - Were the clusters thrown up in the air? should rather have been Yesish. Sorry for that.
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Was someone weighed down by hazelnuts? Were the nuts attached to the people in someway? Were they balanced on top of someone's head? Were they on the ground? WEre they in a tree? Were they attached to a rapier?

What do you mean by clusters...were they organized into piles? attached to one another in some way? something else?
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Was someone weighed down by hazelnuts? No Were the nuts attached to the people in someway?Yes Were they balanced on top of someone's head? No Were they on the ground? Eventually, yes WEre they in a tree? No Were they attached to a rapier? No

What do you mean by clusters...were they organized into piles? attached to one another in some way? something else? I mean the groups of 3-4 hazelnuts which usually grow attached to each other on the hazel tree
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Were the hazelnuts worn? To whom were they attached -- person 1 or 2? Were they real, edible hazelnuts, or representations of some sort?
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Were the hazelnuts worn? If you mean, attached to the persons, then Yes To whom were they attached -- person 1 or 2? To both Were they real, edible hazelnuts, or representations of some sort? They were real hazelnuts, but if they were artificial it would have worked as well
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Is the expression "cut your nuts off" relevant?
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Worn on the clothing or attached to the person (ie, attached to their shirts or worn around the neck or wrist, etc)?

Did they represent something?

Did a rapier strike the hazelnuts? Were they a target of some sort ("First man to break through his opponent's guard and remove their hazelnuts wins")?

Is a sort of stunt or trick involved? Could it be done by a normal fencer, or only by a superb expert?
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Worn on the clothing or attached to the person (ie, attached to their shirts or worn around the neck or wrist, etc)? On the clothing

Did they represent something? Sort of

Did a rapier strike the hazelnuts? YesWere they a target of some sort Yes ("First man to break through his opponent's guard and remove their hazelnuts wins")? Exactly so

Is a sort of stunt or trick involved? Yope Could it be done by a normal fencer, or only by a superb expert? Just by an expert
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You said there were 24 clusters. Could there have been fewer? More?
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You said there were 24 clusters. Could there have been fewer? More? Either
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I think you missed TommyP's question.
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I think you missed TommyP's question. Yep, you are right.

Is the expression "cut your nuts off" relevant? LOL, no, but I appreciate the great lateral leap :-))
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Were the nuts hung in hard to reach locations?

PS...I swear this is not "pick on Alhucema" day, but did you know you had a puzzle hanging out in Limbo? I was surprised to see it since you are so active on here.
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Were the nuts hung in hard to reach locations? Not really

PS...I swear this is not "pick on Alhucema" day, but did you know you had a puzzle hanging out in Limbo? I was surprised to see it since you are so active on here. Yes, I do know. The problem is that I have to declare a blooper in this puzzle, and I feel that I should make a summary, and this would require a greater effort than to create a new puzzle. But eventually, I will take it out of the limbo as I think it's not a bad one, and it certainly has a nice lateral twist.
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Ah, I understand that. Some parts of hosting a puzzle are so much harder than they look! I just wondered if you had forgotten about it. No worries.

Is skill required because the goal was to remove the nuts without stabbing the person?
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Is skill required because the goal was to remove the nuts without stabbing the person? The final purpose is correct, but the skill required more than that.
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Was their more skill required because of the location of the nuts? The way they were attached? The way they had to be removed?
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Did the claim involve the number of swings (i.e., "thrusts" or some other more appropriate word) of the rapier needed to remove all the nuts? 1? 2? 3? more?

Did the claim involve somehow opening (de-shelling) the nuts? While still on the opponent?
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Was their more skill required because of the location of the nuts? Sort of, but don't want to mislead you The way they were attached? The way they had to be removed? same as above

There is no need to think about something complicated. Imagine yourself standing with a rapier in your hand against a skilled adversary. What would you probably find difficult (and be probably much easier for him)?

Did the claim involve the number of swings (i.e., "thrusts" or some other more appropriate word) of the rapier needed to remove all the nuts? 1? 2? 3? more? not exactly but very much OTRT

Did the claim involve somehow opening (de-shelling) the nuts? While still on the opponent? No, that would be impossible even for the best of the experts :-))
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I'm curious about "You have been very generous indeed." Is figuring out this statement's meaning worthy of pursuit?

Did both men have an equal number of nut clusters attached to them? Was Person 1 was "handicapped" with fewer clusters? If so, did he have fewer than 20? 10? 5? only 1?
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Is the claim that the winner would be able to cut off all of the opponent's nut clusters without having any of his own clusters cut off?
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I'm curious about "You have been very generous indeed." Is figuring out this statement's meaning worthy of pursuit? Yes indeed

Did both men have an equal number of nut clusters attached to them? Yes Was Person 1 was "handicapped" with fewer clusters? If so, did he have fewer than 20? 10? 5? only 1? and so, no to the rest

Is the claim that the winner would be able to cut off all of the opponent's nut clusters without having any of his own clusters cut off? Exactly so!

Now the only thing to establish is WHY was No 1 generous and summarize what happened. Please feel free to do so and be patient as I am not sure I will be able to post the spoyler immediately.
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Is the generosity due to the fact that Person 1 (agreed? suggested? insisted?) that the two men fence with nut clusters as opposed to...flesh? And person 2 now realizes that he would have surely been killed if this was an actual duel?
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Were the clusters hung around the neck, or otherwise attached to the chest somehow? Were they on the back (a place I would imagine is nearly impossibly to reach in a swordfight?

Could Person 1 easily have killed Person 2? Did he have reason to?

Were they both familiar with each other's skill levels? Given the oddity of the duel's target, can we assume it was a friendly albeit heated discussion beforehand? (ie, if they really were serious, they would have been trying to kill each other)?

Was anything other than the nut clusters touched by a sword during the fight? Clothing, for example?
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Did they have them tied to the same locations on their body? Or were the generous person's in an easier place to get to?
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Did Person 1 handicap himself somehow?
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Is the generosity due to the fact that Person 1 (agreed? suggested? This insisted?) that the two men fence with nut clusters as opposed to...flesh? Yes And person 2 now realizes that he would have surely been killed if this was an actual duel? Exactly so

Were the clusters hung around the neck,No or otherwise attached to the chest somehow Yes; to the buttonholes, actually? Were they on the back (a place I would imagine is nearly impossibly to reach in a swordfight? No, they weren't

Could Person 1 easily have killed Person 2? Yep Did he have reason to? In the context of the times when you could get killed for an odd look, yes; however, in our times we would not consider it a serious reason to kill someone

Were they both familiar with each other's skill levels? Yope Given the oddity of the duel's target, can we assume it was a friendly albeit heated discussion beforehand? (ie, if they really were serious, they would have been trying to kill each other)? Yope

Was anything other than the nut clusters touched by a sword during the fight? No Clothing, for example? No,or if so, only slightly

Did they have them tied to the same locations on their body? Yes, see above Or were the generous person's in an easier place to get to? No

Did Person 1 handicap himself somehow? No

Now I think you have gathered almost all the relevant information; if you briefly summarize what happened I'll spoyle.
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Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm going to do a little fictionalizing here for my own entertainment. Hopefully any inaccuracies will be trivial enough to draw this puzzle to a close.

Person 1 saunters in to the town square of Person 2's town and proclaims that he (Person 1) is the best swordfighter in the land. Upon hearing this bold proclamation, the townspeople tell Person 2, who they believe to be the best.

Person 2 enters the town square and says, "There can be only one best swordfighter in the land, and I do not believe that you are he. I challenge you to a duel."

Person 1 replies, "I accept your challenge, but I must warn you that my skills are quite advanced. You are at an extreme risk of losing your life. It would be a crime to allow a fool such as yourself to keep his life, but I am feeling generous today. Might I offer the following challenge instead:" (Person 1 describes the hazelnut clusters being hung from each man's chest and the goal of being the first to remove all of the hazelnuts hanging from the other man using a saber.)

Person 2 accepts the challenge. The two men duel. In the end, all of Person 2's nut clusters have been removed, while Person 1 has not lost any.

Person 1: "Well, you believe me now, don't you?"

Person 2: "Of course I do. How could I NOT believe you, after all that? And I do apologize. You have been very generous indeed."
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Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 7:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shoot. I forgot the part about Person 1 claiming that he would remove all of Person 2's nut clusters without any of his own being removed. Please add this point in after the parenthetical section in my above post.
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Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You got it with an amazing accuracy, Monty. Here goes the

**********SPOILER********************

Person 1 was in fact Vincentio Saviolo, an Italian fencing instructor in the 16th century, who lived for many years in Britain, and who, to quote a witness, " with great boldnesse gave out speeches, that he had bene thus manie yeares in England, and since the time of his first comming, there was not yet one Englishman, that could touch him at the single Rapier, or the Rapier and Dagger. "

Person 2 - an English fencing instructor Bartholomew Bramble, hears this, does not believe him, and invites him to his own school of defence to prove his point in practice. Saviolo refuses, and Bramble calls him a coward and spills some beer on him.

Saviolo does not say anything but the next day, he finds Bramble and tells him he is going to show him something. He buys two dozens of hazelnut clusters, fastens half of them to his opponent's buttonholes, the other half to his own ones. They fight, and Saviolo removes the hazelnut clusters one by one from his adversary's pourpoint while Bramble is not able to remove a single one. Bramble is well aware that Saviolo could have hit him anytime instead of removing the hazelnuts.


Thank you all for participating, and Probably monty hall for removing the last cluster


There are several versions of this story, but I liked this one the best.
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Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Very good story! Can't wait to tell this puzzle myself.
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Thank you, Jenburdoo. I am pleased you liked it. :-))

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