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Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Posted on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It does not pay off to be over confident. All what Daniel received was a good run for his money.

Explain.
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Was Daniel overconfident? Or someone else?

"run for his money" - literal? (i.e. he actually did something involved with money)
or figurative? (i.e. he got taken advantage of in some way not related to money).

did he make an investment? A bet? did he buy something?
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Was Daniel overconfident? Yes Or someone else? No

"run for his money" - literal? (i.e. he actually did something involved with money) Literal in the sense he did something involved with money, yes
or figurative? (i.e. he got taken advantage of in some way not related to money). There is a figurative note in this sentence as well

did he make an investment? No A bet? No did he buy something? Yes
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Did he order something that never arrived? Did he buy a product that turned out to be different than advertised?
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Did he order something that never arrived? No Did he buy a product that turned out to be different than advertised? No but OTRT
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Posted on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 6:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he expect it to do something it didn't? Not do do something it did?
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Did he expect it to do something it didn't? Yes Not do do something it did? Yes
Noel (Noel)
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Did he misunderstand what the purpose was? Or think he could use it for something other than its intended use?

Is the thing he purchased an object? A service?
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Did he underestimate his own skill? Overestimate the quality/reliability of what he bought? Did he try to save money? If so, did it come at the cost of safety? Reliability? Usefulness?
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Did he misunderstand what the purpose was? Yesish Or think he could use it for something other than its intended use? Yes

Is the thing he purchased an object? This A service?

Did he underestimate his own skill? If you mean overestimate, then yes Overestimate the quality/reliability of what he bought? No Did he try to save money? No If so, did it come at the cost of safety? Reliability? Usefulness? and so, neither
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Thanks, I meant overestimate.
The thing he bought, was it a tool? Machine? Substance? Sports equipment? Transportation? Toy?
Did he break it? Injure himself? Injure others?
Are there other relevant people in this puzzle? Or things? Or do we mainly need to figure out what he bought, what he tried to do and what happened when he did?
Did he originally buy the object for its original purpose? Or for his own intended purpose? Relevant?
Is price relevant? Was it expensive for this type of product?
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Posted on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 6:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, I meant overestimate.
The thing he bought, was it a tool? Machine? Substance? This Sports equipment? Transportation? Toy?
Did he break it? No Injure himself? Yope Injure others? No
Are there other relevant people in this puzzle? Yes, one Or things? No, except for the one he bought Or do we mainly need to figure out what he bought, what he tried to do and what happened when he did? Exactly so
Did he originally buy the object for its original purpose? Yope Or for his own intended purpose? Yope Relevant? Essentially :-))
Is price relevant? No Was it expensive for this type of product? No and irr
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The substance? Is it a liquid? A goo? A powder? A solid? A gas?

Is it meant to be consumed by a person? Used externally on a human body? Used on an inanimate object? Used on/for a non-human animal?
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The substance? Is it a liquid? possibly A goo? I am not sure what this means A powder? Possibly A solid? Possibly, with svv of solid A gas? No

Is it meant to be consumed by a person? Yes Used externally on a human body? Used on an inanimate object? Used on/for a non-human animal? No to the rest
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Goo - such as a mix of cournflour and water to make a substance that is hard if you apply pressure, but flows as a liquid if left on its own?
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Goo - such as a mix of cournflour and water to make a substance that is hard if you apply pressure, but flows as a liquid if left on its own? Ah, I see. Then the answer is No
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I was using goo to mean something like hair gel or marshmellow creme or anything that's somewhere in between a liquid and a solid. Amorphous, usually sticky, gooey, messy.

Is it food? Drink?
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Did he consume it? Was it medicine? Drug? Was it flammable? Is (non)flammability relevant?
Is the other person HAM? Did he buy the substance from this person? Was this person present at the incident?
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Posted on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it food? Drink? Yope to both, see below

Did he consume it? Yes Was it medicine? Yes Drug? Yes as medicine, no as an addictive substance Was it flammable? Probably not Is (non)flammability relevant? Not at all
Is the other person HAM? Yes for H and A, irrelevant for M Did he buy the substance from this person? Yes Was this person present at the incident? No

Very good questions!
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Did he buy it from a pharmacy? Did he have the condition it was meant to treat? Was it a laxative? Or diuretic? (thinking about a possible interpretation of "a run for his money" =) Did he throw up? Get sick? Go to the hospital?
Viagra relevant?
Did he use too much, or too little (compared to recommended dosage)? Did the person selling it know what he intended to do? If so, was he warned?
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Did he buy it from a pharmacy? Yes Did he have the condition it was meant to treat? No Was it a laxative? Yes indeed Or diuretic? No(thinking about a possible interpretation of "a run for his money" =) Perfectly correct thinking Did he throw up? No Get sick? No - just the usual effect of a laxative Go to the hospital? No
Viagra relevant? No
Did he use too much, or too little (compared to recommended dosage)No? Did the person selling it know what he intended to do? The person selling it assumed that he was going to use it according to the recommendations written on it If so, was he warned? No
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Did he think the laxative wouldn't work/work that well on him? If so, was there a particular reason why he didn't think so? Did he interact with the pharmacist other than by buying the laxative? Did he take it as part of a bet/dare? Did he think it would do something in addition to/instead of the laxative effect?
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Did he think the laxative wouldn't work/work that well on him? No If so, was there a particular reason why he didn't think so? Did he interact with the pharmacist other than by buying the laxative? Not really Did he take it as part of a bet/dare? No Did he think it would do something in addition to No/instead of Yes the laxative effect?
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Did he think the laxative would help him lose weight? get rid of excess fluid? get some kind of infection/parasite out of his digestive system?
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Did he think the laxative would help him lose weight? get rid of excess fluid? get some kind of infection/parasite out of his digestive system? None of the above
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So when he went to the Pharmacy he had already decided what to buy? Decided to buy a laxative? Or decided to buy a drug with a specific name? Did he not know what a laxative is? Or not know what that specific drug should do?
Is it important to know what effect he supposed the drug would have?
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So when he went to the Pharmacy he had already decided what to buy? Yes Decided to buy a laxative? No Or decided to buy a drug with a specific name? No Did he not know what a laxative is? He did know what a laxative is Or not know what that specific drug should do? True

Is it important to know what effect he supposed the drug would have? Essential :-))
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Was the intended effect of the laxative to treat a medical condition? or something else entirely?

Did the intended effect involve digestion at all?
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Was the intended effect of the laxative to treat a medical condition? Yes or something else entirely? No

Did the intended effect involve digestion at all? No
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Would any laxative have worked as well? (I mean, not "worked" as in had an effect, I mean made sense for the reason he was intending)
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Problem with language relevant? Him being in a foreign country, mis-understanding something?
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Would any laxative have worked as well? (I mean, not "worked" as in had an effect, I mean made sense for the reason he was intending) Any laxative would work for this puzzle; however, a FA is lurking in your question

Problem with language relevant? Yes! Him being in a foreign country, mis-understanding something? Yes - he was in a foreign country and something was misunderstood.

Almost there, folks. :-))
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Did he have diarrhea? Did the misunderstanding have to do with thinking the drug would fix diarrhea? When, in fact, it does the opposite?
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Did he have diarrhea? No Did the misunderstanding have to do with thinking the drug would fix diarrhea? No When, in fact, it does the opposite? And so, no
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Did he mistranslate the box?
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Ooh, was his overconfidence that he thought he knew what the box said, so he didn't ask for help from the pharmacist?
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Did he mistranslate the box? Ooh, was his overconfidence that he thought he knew what the box said, so he didn't ask for help from the pharmacist? Neither but both definitely OTRT
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Is the relevant foreign language Spanish? French? Italian? German? something else?

Did he mis-translate a word for "laxative"? "diarrhea"? "constipation"? the name of the condition he was trying to treat? no mental translation involved at all?

I am aware that "constipado" means "congested" (as from a cold) in Spanish, not "constipated". But this confusion would have resulted in the opposite problem, namely mistaking a decongestant for a laxative.
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Is the relevant foreign language Spanish? This French? Italian? German? something else?

Did he mis-translate a word for "laxative"? "diarrhea"? "constipation"? this one, precisely the name of the condition he was trying to treat? and so, this no mental translation involved at all?

I am aware that "constipado" means "congested" (as from a cold) in Spanish, not "constipated". But this confusion would have resulted in the opposite problem, namely mistaking a decongestant for a laxative.

Bingo. That's exactly it, you have just to switch the countries. Here goes the



************SPOILER***********

Daniel is a Spaniard with a fairly good knowledge of English. On a trip to an English-speaking country, he catches a cold. He goes to a pharmacy and asks something for his "constipation" (which in most Spanish-speaking regions, means a common cold with a blocked nose, sneezing, sometimes fever... we have all been through it). The pharmacist - of course - gives him exactly what he is asking for.

Until now, Dani does not stop wondering about the low expertise level of the pharmacists abroad who, instead of giving him a product that could alleviate his cold, gave him a medicine that not only did not help his condition at all, but added a non-wanted DIARRHEA!


This shows that sometimes it is better not to be too confident as to our language skills, and better look things up in a dictionary. FALSE FRIENDS (similar words having different meanings in another language) can cause you many an embarassing situation.

(Btw. be careful with this one, too. "Embarazada" in Spanish means "pregnant", and there are some pretty good stories with this mistranslation as well :-))


Thanks everybody for participating, and especially Biograd for the final diagnosis.

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