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Amosoya (Amosoya)
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 12:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Please don't reveal this right away if you have heard of this:

He pressed the last button. Silence. The doctor got away with it that day, but his employer paid a price. Perhaps the teacher did, too.
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He = character 1?
The doctor = his = character 2?
the teacher = character 3?

All H/A/M?
Any other characters relevant?

Does pressing the last button usually result in a sound?
"Got away with it..." Is "it" some action?
Would it be accurate to say "Perhaps the teacher got away with it, too."?
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He = character 1? OK
The doctor = his = character 2? OK, Y
the teacher = character 3? N

All H/A/M? Y
Any other characters relevant? Y

Does pressing the last button usually result in a sound? No...
"Got away with it..." Is "it" some action? N. Question may be too vague.
Would it be accurate to say "Perhaps the teacher got away with it, too."? N
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Last button=last of multiple buttons he pressed? Last button in a row or similar? And the only button he pressed?
Character 1 = the teacher?
Did the button press result in silence?
Silence of: machine? nature? animal? person?
Silence = cessation of sound? or blocking out of sound?
Death involved?
Paid a price: Financial? Reputation? Clients? Future prospects? Life? Other?
Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
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Does pressing a series of buttons usually make a sound? Does pressing buttons in a certain sequence matter? And the silence after the last button was pressed indicates an error? Or was silence the intended result?

Would it be accurate to say "Perhaps the teacher paid a price, too."?
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Last button=last of multiple buttons he pressed? Y Last button in a row or similar? Y And the only button he pressed? N
Character 1 = the teacher? Y
Did the button press result in silence? Unclear of what you ask.
Silence of: machine? nature? animal? person? Y to all if I take this question alone. CA if predicated on previous question.
Silence = cessation of sound? N or blocking out of sound? N
Death involved? N
Paid a price: Financial? Y but misleading. Reputation? This. Clients? N Future prospects? N Life? N Other? N
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Doctor = medical doctor?
Setting = a hospital? a school/university?
Silence = inability to hear/detect sound?

Amosoya, I asked a series of questions that came in just before your last set of responses. Just wanted to make sure they weren't missed!
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Monty,

Thanks.

Does pressing a series of buttons usually make a sound? Y Does pressing buttons in a certain sequence matter? Y And the silence after the last button was pressed indicates an error? N Or was silence the intended result? Y...

Would it be accurate to say "Perhaps the teacher paid a price, too."? Y

Doctor = medical doctor? N
Setting = a hospital? N a school/university? Yesish
Silence = inability to hear/detect sound? N. Hint: Silence just means the button was pushed and there was no sound. As I have indicated, there is usually a sound.
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 3:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

there is usually a sound
A sound at the time (or very shortly thereafter) the last button is pushed? Or before the last button is pushed? (Another way of asking: would it be said that the sound usually begins when the last button is pressed? Or persists when the last button is pressed?)

Is this an ambient sound (like white noise or the sound of crickets)? or specific/locatable (like the beep of a button)?

Indoors? Outdoors? Laboratory?

Does doctor refer to a degree possessed by character 2? PhD?

Is the doctor with the teacher at the time the last button is pressed?
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A sound at the time (or very shortly thereafter) the last button is pushed? Or before the last button is pushed? (Another way of asking: would it be said that the sound usually begins when the last button is pressed? Or persists when the last button is pressed?) N to all. You always ask about the last button...

Is this an ambient sound (like white noise or the sound of crickets)? N or specific/locatable (like the beep of a button)? Y

Indoors? Y Outdoors? N Laboratory? Y

Does doctor refer to a degree possessed by character 2? Yope. PhD? Yesish.

Is the doctor with the teacher at the time the last button is pressed? Y
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Ok, so we know that a sequence of buttons is pressed. Would the answers to the questions above change if "the last button" is replaced with "the sequence of buttons"?

Does the press of each button in the sequence produce a sound? But the fact that the last button did not produce a sound is peculiar/different from the norm? Does one of the buttons in the sequence initiate the sound and then the last button ends it?

Is the sound directly associated with the press of the button(s)? Is it a beep? Musical note?

Number of button presses in the sequence: 2? 3? 4? 5+? relevant?

Are the doctor and teacher colleagues? Do they work for the same employer? relevant?
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Ok, so we know that a sequence of buttons is pressed. Would the answers to the questions above change if "the last button" is replaced with "the sequence of buttons"? Y

I'll take that liberty:

A sound at the time (or very shortly thereafter) a button is pushed? Y Or before the button is pushed? N (Another way of asking: would it be said that the sound usually begins when a button is pressed? Y Or persists when the last button is pressed?) N

Does the press of each button in the sequence produce a sound? Yesish. But the fact that the last button did not produce a sound is peculiar/different from the norm? Y... to whom? Does one of the buttons in the sequence initiate the sound and then the last button ends it? N

Is the sound directly associated with the press of the button(s)? N Is it a beep? N Musical note? N

Number of button presses in the sequence: 2? 3? 4? 5+? This. relevant? Not particularly.

Are the doctor and teacher colleagues? N Do they work for the same employer? N relevant? Y
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Do the doctor and teacher exist in the same "plane" of reality? That is, do they exist in the same physical space? At the same time? Could either one of them reach out (or move across the room) and physically touch the other at the time the sequence of buttons was pressed?

Was the sequence of buttons pressed by the teacher the same sequence that usually produces a sound?

Is the sound usually initiated after the sequence of buttons is pressed? or some time during the sequence? Does the sound usually persist after the sequence of buttons is pressed? Until some other action is performed?
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Do the doctor and teacher exist in the same "plane" of reality? Y That is, do they exist in the same physical space? Y At the same time? Y Could either one of them reach out (or move across the room) and physically touch the other at the time the sequence of buttons was pressed? Y. They're both in the same room. Nothing metaphysical or anything.

Was the sequence of buttons pressed by the teacher the same sequence that usually produces a sound? Y

Is the sound usually initiated after the sequence of buttons is pressed? N or some time during the sequence? Y Does the sound usually persist after the sequence of buttons is pressed? N Until some other action is performed? N
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Is this typically one sound (or type of sound)? Or multiple different sounds?

How long does the sound last? <1 second? seconds? minutes? hours? longer?

Is the sound generated by machine? nature? animal? person?

In this particular instance, was there sound at any point during the sequence of button presses?

Are the doctor and teacher both living, breathing humans? The other relevant characters?

Is the doctor the pupil of the teacher?
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Is this typically one sound (or type of sound)? N Or multiple different sounds? Y

How long does the sound last? <1 second? seconds? This. minutes? hours? longer?

Is the sound generated by machine? nature? animal? person? This.

In this particular instance, was there sound at any point during the sequence of button presses? Y

Are the doctor and teacher both living, breathing humans? Y The other relevant characters? Y

Is the doctor the pupil of the teacher? N
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amosoya - possible spoyler emailed
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Electrical shocks involved?
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Yes. No.

I assume Galfisk knows it. Monty - I didn't get your spoiler e-mail. Anyone who doesn't know this already want to ask some questions?
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Is the email address linked to your profile accurate?

Galfisk's question and your response are consistent with what I was thinking. I'll bow out now...
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Ok, I won't spoil it.
Amosoya (Amosoya)
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Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nobody else has actually asked a question, so...

*** SPOILER ***

There are four characters:
Participant ("he" or "teacher" in scenario)
Experimenter ("doctor" and "his")
Dr. Stanley Milgram ("employer")
Actor (not mentioned in scenario)

Milgram, an esteemed social psychologist, ran an experiment in the early 1960s to test the psychological power of obedience to authority. He employed an Experimenter and an Actor to establish the right "authority" situation for the experiment's participants.

When a Participant agreed to take part in the study, he was told he would be a "teacher" while another participant (really the Actor) would be a "learner" of some rote word-association stuff.

The teacher was instructed by the highly authoritative Experimenter to punish the learner for wrong answers by giving him an electric shock, increasing the level of shock with each wrong answer by pressing the next button in the row.

In reality, the buttons the "teacher" pushed didn't do anything. Nonetheless, the Actor, pretending to be a bad learner, would give wrong answers and then react to a supposed shock. His script went from something like, "Ooh, tingly" to "ouch" to "Mommy!" to silence (basically "playing dead"). (And yes, I paraphrase a bit.) Whenever the Participant hesitated, the Experimenter would say something like, "I'm a doctor. I know best. You have no choice." His job was to get the Participant to push all of the buttons.

To make a long story short, my scenario describes what happened on more than a few occasions. A surprising number of participants went all the way to the final button.

"He pressed the last button. Silence. The doctor got away with it that day, but his employer paid a price. Perhaps the teacher did, too."

The Experimenter "gets away with it" when he succeeds in pulling off Milgram's ruse. But Milgram paid a price in professional reputation when many people said his experiment was unethical; it may be the reason he was denied tenure shortly thereafter. Allegedly, some "teachers" paid the psychological price of being put in a harrowing, stressful situation, and of finding how weak they were in the face of authority.

I'd say that Milgram gets a bad rap for a really important experiment. And apparently some "teachers" said they learned a good lesson from taking part in the experiment. But modern psychological experiments are put under much higher ethical scrutiny in part because of how Milgram's experiment may have damaged its participants - not with an electric shock, but a psychic shock.

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