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Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 6:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She offered him a pencil. He hit her.
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She? he? her? HA? She = her?
Did he want a pencil? Had he asked for one? Did he hit her with the pencil? With his fist? Relevant with what? Was it her pencil? Was she surprised to be hit?
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Was she acting in good will? Did she deliberately want to offend him?

Any misunderstanding involved?
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Did she say something relevant while offering the pencil? Did she say anything relevant after being hit?

Did he hit her immediately after the pencil was offered? Several minutes later? Several hours? Several days?
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She? he? her? HA? Both human, age irrelevant. Assume they are children. She = her? Yes.
Did he want a pencil? No. Had he asked for one? No. Did he hit her with the pencil? With his fist? Assume this. Relevant with what? No. Was it her pencil? Assume yes. Was she surprised to be hit? If she was, she shouldn't have been.

Was she acting in good will? No. Did she deliberately want to offend him? Yes.

Any misunderstanding involved? No.

Did she say something relevant while offering the pencil? Assume yes. Did she say anything relevant after being hit? No.

Did he hit her immediately after the pencil was offered? Several minutes later? Several hours? Several days?
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Were there relevant previous comments between "he and "her"? from another person to "he" and "her"?

As far as it was offensive, the closest implication of her offering him the pencil would be that he was: stupid? cheap? unpopular/uncool? ugly?

In the offensive interpretation that went along with offering a pencil, would the intention be that he would write with it? do something else with it? or is the purpose irrelevant?
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Does the pencil serve as a symbol? If so, is the size of the pencil relevant? Its function?
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Were there relevant previous comments between "he and "her"? Assume yes. from another person to "he" and "her"? No.

As far as it was offensive, the closest implication of her offering him the pencil would be that he was: stupid? cheap? unpopular/uncool? ugly? None of the above, though any of these might be tangential.

In the offensive interpretation that went along with offering a pencil, would the intention be that he would write with it? do something else with it? This. or is the purpose irrelevant? No.

Does the pencil serve as a symbol? No. If so, is the size of the pencil relevant? Its function?
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Just trying to figure out what reason would be strong enough for a man to rightfully hit a woman:

Can the pencil be perceived as an allusion to any part of his body? To his lack of competence in any sense?
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Just trying to figure out what reason would be strong enough for a man to rightfully hit a woman: Again, assume they're students.

Can the pencil be perceived as an allusion to any part of his body? Yes. To his lack of competence in any sense? Not really.
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Did he hit her immediately after the pencil was offered? This. Several minutes later? Several hours? Several days?
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His ... erm... privates?
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His ... erm... privates? Nope.
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Did he ask for something else and she offered the pencil instead?
Was her comment a suggestion of what he could do with the pencil? Or why she thought the pencil would be appropriate at that moment?
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Did he ask for something else and she offered the pencil instead? No.
Was her comment a suggestion of what he could do with the pencil? Yes. Or why she thought the pencil would be appropriate at that moment? No.
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Was she suggesting he should shove the pencil up one of his bodily orifices?
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Was she suggesting he should shove the pencil up one of his bodily orifices? No...
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As to the allusion at a part of his body: is this part on his head? trunk? arms? hands? legs? feet?
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As to the allusion at a part of his body: is this part on his head? This. trunk? arms? hands? legs? feet?
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Does the pencil have an eraser? Relevant? Is the allusion to the size of his head/brain? Did she suggest he poke his eye(s) out with the pencil? Injure himself in some other way? Do something humiliating?
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Is the pencil supposed to be used to pick his nose? to stick in his ears to block out a noise? or to clean them?
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His nose? Ear? Eye? Mouth? Tongue? Brain? Hair?
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Does the pencil have an eraser? Relevant? No. Is the allusion to the size of his head/brain? No. Did she suggest he poke his eye(s) out with the pencil? No. Injure himself in some other way? No. Do something humiliating? Yes.

Is the pencil supposed to be used to pick his nose? to stick in his ears to block out a noise? or to clean them? No to all.

His nose? Ear? Eye? Mouth? Tongue? Brain? Hair? This.
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Was he bald? Did she suggest he should paint hair on his head with the pencil?
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Was he bald? Did she suggest he should paint hair on his head with the pencil? No to both.
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Was she alluding to lack of hair? Quality? Colour?
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Was she alluding to lack of hair? Quality? Thisish. Colour?
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Hair: length? Shape? Haircut/hairdo? Did she suggest/insinuate that his hair was girly? Would a stick have sufficed instead of the pencil? How about a ballpoint pen?
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Hair: length? Shape? Haircut/hairdo? None of these. Did she suggest/insinuate that his hair was girly? No. Would a stick have sufficed instead of the pencil? Maybe, maybe not. How about a ballpoint pen? Yes.
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Was the intended purpose of the pencil to interfere with his hair? If so, to colour it? Make curls? Cut it according to its length? Compare its colour? OIs it relevant that a pencil and a pen can be written with?
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lice relevant?
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Was the intended purpose of the pencil to interfere with his hair? Noish. If so, to colour it? Make curls? Cut it according to its length? Compare its colour? None of these. Is it relevant that a pencil and a pen can be written with? No.

lice relevant? No.
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A pity, lice as an idea were very nice.

What is important about the pencil: its length? Width? Colour? The material it is made of? Any usual purpose it is used for? Unusual purpose? (We have already discarded the fact you can write with it, haven't we?)
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What is important about the pencil: its length? Width? Colour? The material it is made of? Any usual purpose it is used for? Unusual purpose? This. (We have already discarded the fact you can write with it, haven't we?) Yes.
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Important that a pencil is: sharp? Straight? Round? Smooth? Hard? Stiff? Slender? Would a knitting needle have worked?
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Important that a pencil is: sharp? Straight? Round? Smooth? Hard? Stiff? Slender? Roundness and sharpness, possibly not. Others, yes. Would a knitting needle have worked? Anything the same rough shape and size as a pencil would work.
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Relevant how his hair looks? Is it unusual in some way? Dandruff relevant? Is a natural property of the hair relevant (such as thickness, color, curliness etc)? Or a chosen one (such as hairdo, length, artificial color etc)? Is he unhappy with his hair? Is she? Envy relevant to the conflict?
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Relevant how his hair looks? Assume yes. Is it unusual in some way? Yesish. Dandruff relevant? No. Is a natural property of the hair relevant (such as thickness, color, curliness etc)? This. Or a chosen one (such as hairdo, length, artificial color etc)? Is he unhappy with his hair? Assume no. Is she? Assume no. Envy relevant to the conflict? No.
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You said she wanted to offend him deliberately. Would it help to find out what was the exact reason?

Did he offend her earlier? If so, was it about her hair?

Does he have a comb-over (yuck)?
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You said she wanted to offend him deliberately. Would it help to find out what was the exact reason? Not really. She could have offended him in this way for any reason.

Did he offend her earlier? irrelevant. If so, was it about her hair?

Does he have a comb-over (yuck)? No.
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Relevant hair property: color? Thickness? Slipperiness? Greasiness? Curliness or lack thereof? Did she suggest that he used the pencil to make curls in his hair? Does he look like someone/something relevant with his hair? Or would he if he did what she suggested?
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Relevant hair property: color? Possibly. Thickness? Slipperiness? Greasiness? Curliness Thisish. or lack thereof? Did she suggest that he used the pencil to make curls in his hair? No. Does he look like someone/something relevant with his hair? Assume yes. Or would he if he did what she suggested? No.
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Is the pencil a symbol of something/somebody? Like eg. the Golliwogg?

Is he black? Any racist connotations involved?
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Is the pencil a symbol of something/somebody? Yesish. Like eg. the Golliwogg?

Is he black? No. Any racist connotations involved? Yes.
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Is she black? Caucasian? African? Asian?
Same question for him.
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Is she black? Caucasian? This for both. African? Asian?
Same question for him.
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Is she alluding at his actual race? Or intending to say he is/should be/resembles another race?

Does he look like a specific person? Animal? Object? A generic one?
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Is she alluding at his actual race? Or intending to say he is/should be/resembles another race? This.

Does he look like a specific person? Animal? Object? A generic one? None of these.
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If so, is the race African? Asian?

Should he put the pencil in his hair like some African tribes wear a bone?
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If so, is the race African? This. Asian?

Should he put the pencil in his hair like some African tribes wear a bone? No.
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So both of them are white but she is suggesting he looks like a black man? Is this the only offence, or is there more to it?

Is it because he has curly hair?
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So both of them are white but she is suggesting he looks like a black man? Yes. Is this the only offence, Yes. or is there more to it?

Is it because he has curly hair? Likely.
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So is the only remaining thing for us to establish what is he supposed to do with the pencil?
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So is the only remaining thing for us to establish what is he supposed to do with the pencil? That, and what the significance of the pencil is in the first place.
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So she offers him a pencil with a comment recommending him to do something with it.

Does the pencil symbolise an object an African would probably use? If so, would he use it back in Africa/in the country where this happens?

Is it physically possible for him to do with the pencil what she told him to do? If so, would he hold the pencil in his hand? Would the pencil touch his hair? His head? His body?
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So she offers him a pencil with a comment recommending him to do something with it. Yes.

Does the pencil symbolise an object an African would probably use? Yesish. If so, would he use it back in Africa/in the country where this happens? Yes.

Is it physically possible for him to do with the pencil what she told him to do? Yes. If so, would he hold the pencil in his hand? Yes. Would the pencil touch his hair? This. His head? And probably this. His body?
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Would the pencil touch his hair with its tip? Its side? Relevant? Is the exact part of his head relevant (ie front/back/sides)?

Would he hold the pencil just in one hand? Would he hold it all the time?
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Would the pencil touch his hair with its tip? Its side? Both. Relevant? Yes. Is the exact part of his head relevant (ie front/back/sides)? Not really.

Would he hold the pencil just in one hand? Yes. Would he hold it all the time? No.
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So in the end, the pencil would be stuck in his hair, correct? If so, would it be parallel to the ground (of course provided he is standing upright)?
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So in the end, the pencil would be stuck in his hair, correct? Yes. If so, would it be parallel to the ground (of course provided he is standing upright)? Irrelevant.
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Stuck in his hair, but does not symbolize a bone. Hmmm... Does it symbolize another object used as an adornment?
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Stuck in his hair, but does not symbolize a bone. Hmmm... Does it symbolize another object used as an adornment? No.
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Does it symbolize an object at all?

If so, is it a tool? A plant, or a part thereof?

Does she suggest something more than he is African (eg the exact country, a sport)?
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Does it symbolize an object at all? It symbolizes nothing.

If so, is it a tool? A plant, or a part thereof?

Does she suggest something more than he is African (eg the exact country, a sport)? The exact country is relevant.
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In Africa? If so, is it in its southern part? Northern? In the middle?
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In Africa? Yes. If so, is it in its southern part? Yes. Northern? In the middle?
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South African Republic? Zambia? Botswana? Angola? Malawi? Mozambique? Namibia? Lesotho?

Do we need to know something specific to the country to be able to solve this puzzle?

Does she suggest that he is a "soutie"?
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South African Republic? This. Zambia? Botswana? Angola? Malawi? Mozambique? Namibia? Lesotho?

Do we need to know something specific to the country to be able to solve this puzzle? Yes, but I'm confident everyone here knows it.

Does she suggest that he is a "soutie"? (Looks that up) No.
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Apartheid relevant?
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Apartheid relevant? Yep.
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Slavery also relevant? Is the pencil somehow a symbol of the apartheid? Of something symbolizing the humiliation of a black person?
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Slavery also relevant? No. Is the pencil somehow a symbol of the apartheid? Yes. Of something symbolizing the humiliation of a black person? Yes.
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Is it to symbolize a sign distinguishing the coloureds from the whites? Did such a thing exist (eg was there a liability for the blacks to wear something the whites didn't)? An allusion to a derogatory name given to the blacks (such as eg. a spade?)
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Is it to symbolize a sign distinguishing the coloureds from the whites? Yes. Keep in mind it's NOT really a symbol, however. Did such a thing exist Yes. (eg was there a liability for the blacks to wear something the whites didn't)? No. An allusion to a derogatory name given to the blacks (such as eg. a spade?) No.
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Oh dear, now I am stuck. I do not know much about the apartheid. Do you mind if I google? And - as you said everyone here should know the relevant fact you are referring to - do you think I'll need it?
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The relevant fact IS apartheid. This puzzle is set in South Africa during apartheid, and I'm sure you know enough about the its basics to puzzle this out without googling.
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I know almost nothing about the apartheid :-)) I'll give it a try, however:

Is the pencil related to the fact that blacks are not allowed to go to places where whites are?
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Is the pencil related to the fact that blacks are not allowed to go to places where whites are? No.
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Did the blacks have to wear something similar to a pencil in their hair during the apartheid?

Is the pencil meant merely as a distinguishing sign? Is it related to work? transportation? education? cleanliness? or lack thereof? tribal traditions?
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Did the blacks have to wear something similar to a pencil in their hair during the apartheid? No.

Is the pencil meant merely as a distinguishing sign? Is it related to work? transportation? education? cleanliness? or lack thereof? tribal traditions? None of the above.
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Does it indicate that blacks are inferior to whites? Lack of education (ie illiteracy)?
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Does it indicate that blacks are inferior to whites? It does represent a prejudice. Lack of education (ie illiteracy)? No.
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Does it indicate comparison to somebody? Something? Expresses certain qualities/lack thereof? More limited rights?
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Does it indicate comparison to somebody? Something? Expresses certain qualities/lack thereof? More limited rights?
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Does it indicate comparison to somebody? Yes. Something? Expresses certain qualities/lack thereof? More limited rights? Yesish to all of these.
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A wild guess: Does the pencil represent a handle of a brush (alluding to the tar-brush expression)?
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A wild guess: Does the pencil represent a handle of a brush (alluding to the tar-brush expression)? No. It represents a pencil.
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So by suggesting to him that he might be able to hold a pencil in his hair, is she simply saying that he has hair similar to that of a black man? or maybe hinting that he does actually have black blood? Was it common at the time for people to be 'tested' in this way? (something like how the Nazis measured people's noses during the Holocaust to determine if they were Jewish or not?)
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So by suggesting to him that he might be able to hold a pencil in his hair, is she simply saying that he has hair similar to that of a black man? or maybe hinting that he does actually have black blood? Was it common at the time for people to be 'tested' in this way? (something like how the Nazis measured people's noses during the Holocaust to determine if they were Jewish or not?) You got it.

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In South Africa during apartheid, it was necessary for people to be physically separated by race. In many cases, of course, it was hard to tell which side someone (for example, a "colored" half-caste) fell on. The standard was the pencil test, in which a pencil was stuck into the person's hair. If his hair was kinky enough for the pencil to stick there, he was black; if it fell out, he was white. This is a simplistic rendering, of course, and there were grades of "blackness" just as there were in the American South. Like Hitler's Aryanism, it was of course pseudoscientific. Among whites in such a society, it was a common and dire insult to suggest that someone could not pass the pencil test and thus had black blood.

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