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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo
Post Number: 2043 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 6:36 am: |      |
She offered him a pencil. He hit her. |
Sunshine (Sunshine)
New member Username: Sunshine
Post Number: 850 Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 9:54 am: |      |
She? he? her? HA? She = her? Did he want a pencil? Had he asked for one? Did he hit her with the pencil? With his fist? Relevant with what? Was it her pencil? Was she surprised to be hit? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 1494 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 7:39 pm: |      |
Was she acting in good will? Did she deliberately want to offend him? Any misunderstanding involved? |
Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee
Post Number: 427 Registered: 9-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 12:33 am: |      |
Did she say something relevant while offering the pencil? Did she say anything relevant after being hit? Did he hit her immediately after the pencil was offered? Several minutes later? Several hours? Several days? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2045 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 1:59 am: |      |
She? he? her? HA? Both human, age irrelevant. Assume they are children. She = her? Yes. Did he want a pencil? No. Had he asked for one? No. Did he hit her with the pencil? With his fist? Assume this. Relevant with what? No. Was it her pencil? Assume yes. Was she surprised to be hit? If she was, she shouldn't have been. Was she acting in good will? No. Did she deliberately want to offend him? Yes. Any misunderstanding involved? No. Did she say something relevant while offering the pencil? Assume yes. Did she say anything relevant after being hit? No. Did he hit her immediately after the pencil was offered? Several minutes later? Several hours? Several days? |
Biograd (Biograd)
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Post Number: 598 Registered: 6-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 5:45 am: |      |
Were there relevant previous comments between "he and "her"? from another person to "he" and "her"? As far as it was offensive, the closest implication of her offering him the pencil would be that he was: stupid? cheap? unpopular/uncool? ugly? In the offensive interpretation that went along with offering a pencil, would the intention be that he would write with it? do something else with it? or is the purpose irrelevant? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 1498 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 11:48 am: |      |
Does the pencil serve as a symbol? If so, is the size of the pencil relevant? Its function? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2047 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 6:48 pm: |      |
Were there relevant previous comments between "he and "her"? Assume yes. from another person to "he" and "her"? No. As far as it was offensive, the closest implication of her offering him the pencil would be that he was: stupid? cheap? unpopular/uncool? ugly? None of the above, though any of these might be tangential. In the offensive interpretation that went along with offering a pencil, would the intention be that he would write with it? do something else with it? This. or is the purpose irrelevant? No. Does the pencil serve as a symbol? No. If so, is the size of the pencil relevant? Its function? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 1499 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 7:10 pm: |      |
Just trying to figure out what reason would be strong enough for a man to rightfully hit a woman: Can the pencil be perceived as an allusion to any part of his body? To his lack of competence in any sense? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2048 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 9:12 pm: |      |
Just trying to figure out what reason would be strong enough for a man to rightfully hit a woman: Again, assume they're students. Can the pencil be perceived as an allusion to any part of his body? Yes. To his lack of competence in any sense? Not really. |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2049 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 9:15 pm: |      |
Did he hit her immediately after the pencil was offered? This. Several minutes later? Several hours? Several days? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 1500 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 01, 2010 - 9:16 pm: |      |
His ... erm... privates? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2050 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 3:55 am: |      |
His ... erm... privates? Nope. |
Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee
Post Number: 432 Registered: 9-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 6:29 am: |      |
Did he ask for something else and she offered the pencil instead? Was her comment a suggestion of what he could do with the pencil? Or why she thought the pencil would be appropriate at that moment? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2058 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 6:37 am: |      |
Did he ask for something else and she offered the pencil instead? No. Was her comment a suggestion of what he could do with the pencil? Yes. Or why she thought the pencil would be appropriate at that moment? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 1505 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 4:06 pm: |      |
Was she suggesting he should shove the pencil up one of his bodily orifices? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2063 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 8:12 pm: |      |
Was she suggesting he should shove the pencil up one of his bodily orifices? No... |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1506 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 8:17 pm: |      |
As to the allusion at a part of his body: is this part on his head? trunk? arms? hands? legs? feet? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2065 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 8:27 pm: |      |
As to the allusion at a part of his body: is this part on his head? This. trunk? arms? hands? legs? feet? |
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Post Number: 973 Registered: 9-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 7:17 am: |      |
Does the pencil have an eraser? Relevant? Is the allusion to the size of his head/brain? Did she suggest he poke his eye(s) out with the pencil? Injure himself in some other way? Do something humiliating? |
Biograd (Biograd)
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Post Number: 599 Registered: 6-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 8:50 am: |      |
Is the pencil supposed to be used to pick his nose? to stick in his ears to block out a noise? or to clean them? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1510 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 11:33 am: |      |
His nose? Ear? Eye? Mouth? Tongue? Brain? Hair? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2067 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 5:23 pm: |      |
Does the pencil have an eraser? Relevant? No. Is the allusion to the size of his head/brain? No. Did she suggest he poke his eye(s) out with the pencil? No. Injure himself in some other way? No. Do something humiliating? Yes. Is the pencil supposed to be used to pick his nose? to stick in his ears to block out a noise? or to clean them? No to all. His nose? Ear? Eye? Mouth? Tongue? Brain? Hair? This. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1525 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 6:38 pm: |      |
Was he bald? Did she suggest he should paint hair on his head with the pencil? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2070 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 8:24 pm: |      |
Was he bald? Did she suggest he should paint hair on his head with the pencil? No to both. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1533 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 10:01 pm: |      |
Was she alluding to lack of hair? Quality? Colour? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2076 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 10:08 pm: |      |
Was she alluding to lack of hair? Quality? Thisish. Colour? |
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Post Number: 987 Registered: 9-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 10:53 pm: |      |
Hair: length? Shape? Haircut/hairdo? Did she suggest/insinuate that his hair was girly? Would a stick have sufficed instead of the pencil? How about a ballpoint pen? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2077 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 03, 2010 - 11:19 pm: |      |
Hair: length? Shape? Haircut/hairdo? None of these. Did she suggest/insinuate that his hair was girly? No. Would a stick have sufficed instead of the pencil? Maybe, maybe not. How about a ballpoint pen? Yes. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 1535 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 11:11 am: |      |
Was the intended purpose of the pencil to interfere with his hair? If so, to colour it? Make curls? Cut it according to its length? Compare its colour? OIs it relevant that a pencil and a pen can be written with? |
Probably_monty_hall (Probably_monty_hall)
New member Username: Probably_monty_hall
Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 6:29 pm: |      |
lice relevant? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2080 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 04, 2010 - 11:54 pm: |      |
Was the intended purpose of the pencil to interfere with his hair? Noish. If so, to colour it? Make curls? Cut it according to its length? Compare its colour? None of these. Is it relevant that a pencil and a pen can be written with? No. lice relevant? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema
Post Number: 1552 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 7:56 am: |      |
A pity, lice as an idea were very nice. What is important about the pencil: its length? Width? Colour? The material it is made of? Any usual purpose it is used for? Unusual purpose? (We have already discarded the fact you can write with it, haven't we?) |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2084 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 12:29 pm: |      |
What is important about the pencil: its length? Width? Colour? The material it is made of? Any usual purpose it is used for? Unusual purpose? This. (We have already discarded the fact you can write with it, haven't we?) Yes. |
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Post Number: 1019 Registered: 9-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 1:55 pm: |      |
Important that a pencil is: sharp? Straight? Round? Smooth? Hard? Stiff? Slender? Would a knitting needle have worked? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2085 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2010 - 9:53 pm: |      |
Important that a pencil is: sharp? Straight? Round? Smooth? Hard? Stiff? Slender? Roundness and sharpness, possibly not. Others, yes. Would a knitting needle have worked? Anything the same rough shape and size as a pencil would work. |
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Post Number: 1031 Registered: 9-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 06, 2010 - 10:58 am: |      |
Relevant how his hair looks? Is it unusual in some way? Dandruff relevant? Is a natural property of the hair relevant (such as thickness, color, curliness etc)? Or a chosen one (such as hairdo, length, artificial color etc)? Is he unhappy with his hair? Is she? Envy relevant to the conflict? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2092 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 1:38 am: |      |
Relevant how his hair looks? Assume yes. Is it unusual in some way? Yesish. Dandruff relevant? No. Is a natural property of the hair relevant (such as thickness, color, curliness etc)? This. Or a chosen one (such as hairdo, length, artificial color etc)? Is he unhappy with his hair? Assume no. Is she? Assume no. Envy relevant to the conflict? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1617 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 8:15 am: |      |
You said she wanted to offend him deliberately. Would it help to find out what was the exact reason? Did he offend her earlier? If so, was it about her hair? Does he have a comb-over (yuck)? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2095 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 3:57 pm: |      |
You said she wanted to offend him deliberately. Would it help to find out what was the exact reason? Not really. She could have offended him in this way for any reason. Did he offend her earlier? irrelevant. If so, was it about her hair? Does he have a comb-over (yuck)? No. |
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Post Number: 1078 Registered: 9-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 4:03 pm: |      |
Relevant hair property: color? Thickness? Slipperiness? Greasiness? Curliness or lack thereof? Did she suggest that he used the pencil to make curls in his hair? Does he look like someone/something relevant with his hair? Or would he if he did what she suggested? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2096 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 9:38 pm: |      |
Relevant hair property: color? Possibly. Thickness? Slipperiness? Greasiness? Curliness Thisish. or lack thereof? Did she suggest that he used the pencil to make curls in his hair? No. Does he look like someone/something relevant with his hair? Assume yes. Or would he if he did what she suggested? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1629 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 9:48 pm: |      |
Is the pencil a symbol of something/somebody? Like eg. the Golliwogg? Is he black? Any racist connotations involved? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2097 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:24 pm: |      |
Is the pencil a symbol of something/somebody? Yesish. Like eg. the Golliwogg? Is he black? No. Any racist connotations involved? Yes. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1631 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:28 pm: |      |
Is she black? Caucasian? African? Asian? Same question for him. |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2098 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:46 pm: |      |
Is she black? Caucasian? This for both. African? Asian? Same question for him. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1632 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:49 pm: |      |
Is she alluding at his actual race? Or intending to say he is/should be/resembles another race? Does he look like a specific person? Animal? Object? A generic one? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2099 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 10:54 pm: |      |
Is she alluding at his actual race? Or intending to say he is/should be/resembles another race? This. Does he look like a specific person? Animal? Object? A generic one? None of these. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1634 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:07 pm: |      |
If so, is the race African? Asian? Should he put the pencil in his hair like some African tribes wear a bone? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2101 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:14 pm: |      |
If so, is the race African? This. Asian? Should he put the pencil in his hair like some African tribes wear a bone? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1635 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:18 pm: |      |
So both of them are white but she is suggesting he looks like a black man? Is this the only offence, or is there more to it? Is it because he has curly hair? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2102 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:24 pm: |      |
So both of them are white but she is suggesting he looks like a black man? Yes. Is this the only offence, Yes. or is there more to it? Is it because he has curly hair? Likely. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1637 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:28 pm: |      |
So is the only remaining thing for us to establish what is he supposed to do with the pencil? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2103 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2010 - 11:38 pm: |      |
So is the only remaining thing for us to establish what is he supposed to do with the pencil? That, and what the significance of the pencil is in the first place. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1640 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 12:04 pm: |      |
So she offers him a pencil with a comment recommending him to do something with it. Does the pencil symbolise an object an African would probably use? If so, would he use it back in Africa/in the country where this happens? Is it physically possible for him to do with the pencil what she told him to do? If so, would he hold the pencil in his hand? Would the pencil touch his hair? His head? His body? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2106 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 12:33 pm: |      |
So she offers him a pencil with a comment recommending him to do something with it. Yes. Does the pencil symbolise an object an African would probably use? Yesish. If so, would he use it back in Africa/in the country where this happens? Yes. Is it physically possible for him to do with the pencil what she told him to do? Yes. If so, would he hold the pencil in his hand? Yes. Would the pencil touch his hair? This. His head? And probably this. His body? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1642 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 12:38 pm: |      |
Would the pencil touch his hair with its tip? Its side? Relevant? Is the exact part of his head relevant (ie front/back/sides)? Would he hold the pencil just in one hand? Would he hold it all the time? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2110 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 08, 2010 - 11:21 pm: |      |
Would the pencil touch his hair with its tip? Its side? Both. Relevant? Yes. Is the exact part of his head relevant (ie front/back/sides)? Not really. Would he hold the pencil just in one hand? Yes. Would he hold it all the time? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1646 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:31 am: |      |
So in the end, the pencil would be stuck in his hair, correct? If so, would it be parallel to the ground (of course provided he is standing upright)? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2115 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 5:35 pm: |      |
So in the end, the pencil would be stuck in his hair, correct? Yes. If so, would it be parallel to the ground (of course provided he is standing upright)? Irrelevant. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1651 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 5:37 pm: |      |
Stuck in his hair, but does not symbolize a bone. Hmmm... Does it symbolize another object used as an adornment? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2117 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 7:45 pm: |      |
Stuck in his hair, but does not symbolize a bone. Hmmm... Does it symbolize another object used as an adornment? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1653 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 7:48 pm: |      |
Does it symbolize an object at all? If so, is it a tool? A plant, or a part thereof? Does she suggest something more than he is African (eg the exact country, a sport)? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2118 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 8:23 pm: |      |
Does it symbolize an object at all? It symbolizes nothing. If so, is it a tool? A plant, or a part thereof? Does she suggest something more than he is African (eg the exact country, a sport)? The exact country is relevant. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1654 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 8:43 pm: |      |
In Africa? If so, is it in its southern part? Northern? In the middle? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2119 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 8:45 pm: |      |
In Africa? Yes. If so, is it in its southern part? Yes. Northern? In the middle? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1656 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 9:03 pm: |      |
South African Republic? Zambia? Botswana? Angola? Malawi? Mozambique? Namibia? Lesotho? Do we need to know something specific to the country to be able to solve this puzzle? Does she suggest that he is a "soutie"? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2123 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 9:09 pm: |      |
South African Republic? This. Zambia? Botswana? Angola? Malawi? Mozambique? Namibia? Lesotho? Do we need to know something specific to the country to be able to solve this puzzle? Yes, but I'm confident everyone here knows it. Does she suggest that he is a "soutie"? (Looks that up) No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1657 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 9:15 pm: |      |
Apartheid relevant? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2125 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 9:19 pm: |      |
Apartheid relevant? Yep. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1659 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 9:51 pm: |      |
Slavery also relevant? Is the pencil somehow a symbol of the apartheid? Of something symbolizing the humiliation of a black person? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2127 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 10:51 pm: |      |
Slavery also relevant? No. Is the pencil somehow a symbol of the apartheid? Yes. Of something symbolizing the humiliation of a black person? Yes. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1661 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 11:05 pm: |      |
Is it to symbolize a sign distinguishing the coloureds from the whites? Did such a thing exist (eg was there a liability for the blacks to wear something the whites didn't)? An allusion to a derogatory name given to the blacks (such as eg. a spade?) |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2128 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 11:29 pm: |      |
Is it to symbolize a sign distinguishing the coloureds from the whites? Yes. Keep in mind it's NOT really a symbol, however. Did such a thing exist Yes. (eg was there a liability for the blacks to wear something the whites didn't)? No. An allusion to a derogatory name given to the blacks (such as eg. a spade?) No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1663 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 11:35 pm: |      |
Oh dear, now I am stuck. I do not know much about the apartheid. Do you mind if I google? And - as you said everyone here should know the relevant fact you are referring to - do you think I'll need it? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2129 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 12:10 am: |      |
The relevant fact IS apartheid. This puzzle is set in South Africa during apartheid, and I'm sure you know enough about the its basics to puzzle this out without googling. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1664 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 12:26 am: |      |
I know almost nothing about the apartheid :-)) I'll give it a try, however: Is the pencil related to the fact that blacks are not allowed to go to places where whites are? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2130 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 1:06 am: |      |
Is the pencil related to the fact that blacks are not allowed to go to places where whites are? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1667 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 10:15 am: |      |
Did the blacks have to wear something similar to a pencil in their hair during the apartheid? Is the pencil meant merely as a distinguishing sign? Is it related to work? transportation? education? cleanliness? or lack thereof? tribal traditions? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2132 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 10:55 am: |      |
Did the blacks have to wear something similar to a pencil in their hair during the apartheid? No. Is the pencil meant merely as a distinguishing sign? Is it related to work? transportation? education? cleanliness? or lack thereof? tribal traditions? None of the above. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1669 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 10:56 am: |      |
Does it indicate that blacks are inferior to whites? Lack of education (ie illiteracy)? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2133 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 11:16 am: |      |
Does it indicate that blacks are inferior to whites? It does represent a prejudice. Lack of education (ie illiteracy)? No. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1675 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 8:54 pm: |      |
Does it indicate comparison to somebody? Something? Expresses certain qualities/lack thereof? More limited rights? |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1676 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 8:54 pm: |      |
Does it indicate comparison to somebody? Something? Expresses certain qualities/lack thereof? More limited rights? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2137 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 11:21 pm: |      |
Does it indicate comparison to somebody? Yes. Something? Expresses certain qualities/lack thereof? More limited rights? Yesish to all of these. |
Alhucema (Alhucema)
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Post Number: 1687 Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 10:54 am: |      |
A wild guess: Does the pencil represent a handle of a brush (alluding to the tar-brush expression)? |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2138 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2010 - 12:19 pm: |      |
A wild guess: Does the pencil represent a handle of a brush (alluding to the tar-brush expression)? No. It represents a pencil. |
Jumpingjack (Jumpingjack)
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Post Number: 1120 Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 2:47 pm: |      |
So by suggesting to him that he might be able to hold a pencil in his hair, is she simply saying that he has hair similar to that of a black man? or maybe hinting that he does actually have black blood? Was it common at the time for people to be 'tested' in this way? (something like how the Nazis measured people's noses during the Holocaust to determine if they were Jewish or not?) |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Post Number: 2140 Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 11:39 pm: |      |
So by suggesting to him that he might be able to hold a pencil in his hair, is she simply saying that he has hair similar to that of a black man? or maybe hinting that he does actually have black blood? Was it common at the time for people to be 'tested' in this way? (something like how the Nazis measured people's noses during the Holocaust to determine if they were Jewish or not?) You got it. SPOILERS AHEAD! *************** In South Africa during apartheid, it was necessary for people to be physically separated by race. In many cases, of course, it was hard to tell which side someone (for example, a "colored" half-caste) fell on. The standard was the pencil test, in which a pencil was stuck into the person's hair. If his hair was kinky enough for the pencil to stick there, he was black; if it fell out, he was white. This is a simplistic rendering, of course, and there were grades of "blackness" just as there were in the American South. Like Hitler's Aryanism, it was of course pseudoscientific. Among whites in such a society, it was a common and dire insult to suggest that someone could not pass the pencil test and thus had black blood. |