| Author | Message | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 975 Registered: 9-2009 |
I got this scrund because Grandpa wanted to do something nice for Grandma. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1508 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he actually do it? If so, did it go wrong in some way? Did you witness him doing it? Your age (at that time) relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 976 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he actually do it? Yes. If so, did it go wrong in some way? No. Did you witness him doing it? No. Your age (at that time) relevant? He did it before I was born, which is somewhat relevant. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1509 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was it related to you (eg did your grandfather know you were going to be born)? Was it a physical thing (like building a house) or rather a psychological one (like writing a poem)? Was it a usual thing for a husband to do for his wife? Was it costly? Their ages relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 977 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it related to you (eg did your grandfather know you were going to be born)? Unrelated to me. Was it a physical thing (like building a house) or rather a psychological one (like writing a poem)? Not a poem but very much OTRT. Was it a usual thing for a husband to do for his wife? No. Was it costly? No. Their ages relevant? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1512 Registered: 11-2008 |
A picture? An ad on a billboard? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 979 Registered: 9-2009 |
A picture? An ad on a billboard? Neither - poem is much closer. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1513 Registered: 11-2008 |
A piece of writing then? A song? Was it ever made public? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 980 Registered: 9-2009 |
A piece of writing then? A song? Several songs. Was it ever made public? Yes, for svv of "public". | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1515 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the scrund related to what you thought about your grandfather? Your grandmother? Did you think your Grandpa was a famous songwriter/singer? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 981 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the scrund related to what you thought about your grandfather? Your grandmother? Neither. Did you think your Grandpa was a famous songwriter/singer? No - but my scrund could be interpreted that way. He was in fact somewhat famous as a songwriter in his community, which is slightly relevant. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1520 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did your scrund relate to the song(s)? A person? A thing? A concept? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 982 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did your scrund relate to the song(s)? This. A person? A thing? A concept? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1521 Registered: 11-2008 |
To the contents of the song? One or several? Would it help to know what the song(s) was/were about exactly? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 983 Registered: 9-2009 |
To the contents of the song? No. One or several? Several. Would it help to know what the song(s) was/were about exactly? Yes. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1526 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the song about love? Were all the songs about the same subject? Did your Grandpa compose both the lyrics and the tune? Relevant? Any popular/folk songs relevant? Am I likely to know the song/s? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 984 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the song about love? No. Were all the songs about the same subject? Yes. Did your Grandpa compose both the lyrics and the tune? The tunes: no, the lyrics: noish. Relevant? Yes. Any popular/folk songs relevant? For svv of "popular". Am I likely to know the song/s? Lyrics: no, tunes: possibly. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1530 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did your Grandpa use the tunes of already existing songs? And make his own lyrics? Perhaps replacing just a part of it? With the name of your Grandma? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 985 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did your Grandpa use the tunes of already existing songs? Yes. And make his own lyrics? Yope. Perhaps replacing just a part of it? Not this. With the name of your Grandma? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2073 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he use lyrics to a different song? Adapt them to this song? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 986 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he use lyrics to a different song? No, but OTRT. Adapt them to this song? No, but a kind of adaption is involved. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1538 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the songs parodies? Were they about: an activity? A person/persons? Animal/s? A concept? A tangible subject? Do they (I mean the original versions) have a known author? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 988 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the songs parodies? No. Were they about: an activity? A person/persons? Animal/s? A concept? A tangible subject? Activity or concept is closest. Do they (I mean the original versions) have a known author? I had to google: The lyrics to the songs usually have known authors (different ones), but the composers are not known. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1539 Registered: 11-2008 |
Were the original songs a sort of folklore songs? Were they all about the same concept? If so, religion? Fishing? Military issues? Carols? Were they specifically Swedish? Or rather international? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 990 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the original songs a sort of folklore songs? Yes. Were they all about the same concept? Yes. If so, religion? Religion is relevant. Fishing? Military issues? Carols? This. Were they specifically Swedish? They were not Swedish. Or rather international? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1541 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are any worldwide-known carols relevant? If so, is it Silent Night? Adeste Fideles? Are any nation-specific carols included? If so, are they from /LTPF list of countries/? Did your Grandpa replace some of the words in the carols? For example, to imply your Grandma was like the Virgin Mary? Were the modified songs funny? Touching? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 991 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are any worldwide-known carols relevant? If so, is it Silent Night? Adeste Fideles? No. Are any nation-specific carols included? If so, are they from /LTPF list of countries/? Yes, from Germany. Did your Grandpa replace some of the words in the carols? Yope. For example, to imply your Grandma was like the Virgin Mary? Nothing like this. Were the modified songs funny? Touching? Not any more than the originals. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1544 Registered: 11-2008 |
Perhaps adjusted to his actual situation? O Tannenbaum? Es ist ein Ros entsprungen (I love this one)? I am afraid I do not know any more German carols. Should I keep guessing their exact titles? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1460 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did your grandfather simply translate them into a different language than German? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 993 Registered: 9-2009 |
Perhaps adjusted to his actual situation? Sort of. O Tannenbaum? Yes. Es ist ein Ros entsprungen (I love this one)? No, that one had already been translated (see below). I am afraid I do not know any more German carols. Should I keep guessing their exact titles? Not neccessary. I think there were 8 in total. Did your grandfather simply translate them into a different language than German? Yes indeed! | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1463 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did you think he was the author of the song? When he was only the translator? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 997 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you think he was the author of the song? When he was only the translator? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1553 Registered: 11-2008 |
So he just translated them, without changing their general sense? Or did he add something personal to them? Is/was your Granny of German origin? Is your Granndad? Relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 998 Registered: 9-2009 |
So he just translated them, without changing their general sense? Yes. Or did he add something personal to them? No. Is/was your Granny of German origin? Yes. Is your Granndad? No. Relevant? Yup, and you have mostly figured out what nice thing he did for her. Now how come I ended up with a scrund related the songs, and what was it? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1554 Registered: 11-2008 |
So your Grandpa translated the German carols just to please your Granny? Was she born in Germany? Relevant? Was the scrund related just to the songs? To the person of your Grandpa? Your Granny? Did you think the songs were Swedish, while they in fact weren't? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1001 Registered: 9-2009 |
So your Grandpa translated the German carols just to please your Granny? Indeed. Was she born in Germany? Yes. Relevant? Yes, she grew up with these songs as a kid. Was the scrund related just to the songs? Yes. To the person of your Grandpa? Your Granny? So no. Did you think the songs were Swedish, while they in fact weren't? I did think that at some point, but I still had the scrund after I understood that they were translated. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1556 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the scrund related to the lyrics of the songs? Their tunes? Their origin? Their authors? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1004 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the scrund related to the lyrics of the songs? Their tunes? Their origin? Their authors? Neither. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1563 Registered: 11-2008 |
To the circumstances in which the songs were sung? To the reaction of anybody to the songs? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1008 Registered: 9-2009 |
To the circumstances in which the songs were sung? Noish. To the reaction of anybody to the songs? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1564 Registered: 11-2008 |
To the fact the songs were carols? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1011 Registered: 9-2009 |
To the fact the songs were carols? No. Hint: one more person is directly involved, in addition to me and my grandparents. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1567 Registered: 11-2008 |
Your father/mother? Anyone of your family? Did you think that the songs were written to praise this person instead of Baby Jesus? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1013 Registered: 9-2009 |
Your father/mother? Anyone of your family? My father. Did you think that the songs were written to praise this person instead of Baby Jesus? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1570 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was he a child at that time? Were the grandparents his parents? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1016 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he a child at that time? I think the translations were made before he was born. Were the grandparents his parents? Yes. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1593 Registered: 11-2008 |
Relevant they were made before he was born? Was your Granny expecting him when they were made? Was your scrund about the relationship between the songs and your father? Did you hear your father/Grandpa/ Grandma/ any other person singing them? Relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1024 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant they were made before he was born? Yes, in a lateral way. Was your Granny expecting him when they were made? No. Was your scrund about the relationship between the songs and your father? Noish. Did you hear your father/Grandpa/ Grandma/ any other person singing them? Relevant? Father, his siblings, my older half siblings, relevant. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1597 Registered: 11-2008 |
So there's no relation between a specific person and the songs, as far as your scrund is concerned, right? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1028 Registered: 9-2009 |
So there's no relation between a specific person and the songs, as far as your scrund is concerned, right? Correct. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1471 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did you think everyone knew the translated version that your father and his siblings sung? But when you tried to sing it among others not related to you, no one sung along? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1047 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you think everyone knew the translated version that your father and his siblings sung? Exactly! But when you tried to sing it among others not related to you, no one sung along? No (I may have sung them on some occations, but not expecting others to join in). ****SPOILER**** When my Grandpa married my Grandma and took her home to Sweden, he translated her favorite German Christmas carols into Swedish. Their children grew up with these songs, and carried on the tradition to our childhood. I thought until quite recently that the translations were widely known in Sweden. One day I mentioned to a friend that my Grandpa was the one who translated "O Tannenbaum" into Swedish, she had never heard the translation and I realized that, like the other translations, they must all be virtually unknown outside our family. It helped my scrund that we had a professionally printed booklet with all the songs at home - and of course that during most of the year I didn't spend a thought on these Christmas carols. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1615 Registered: 11-2008 |
What a nice thing your Grandpa did! Thank you for the puzzle, Galfisk! As I am a bit of a language freak, I am interested in the Swedish lyrics of the Tannenbaum - would it be too daring to ask you to tell me whether/where I can find them? Thanks in advance. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1065 Registered: 9-2009 |
You can't find them, so I've written them down from memory. You have email (: | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1619 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thanks a lot! I am going to check it right away. |
