| Author | Message | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 789 Registered: 10-2008 |
Because Fred worked so quickly and so well, dozens of people today are minorly inconvenienced. | ||
| Yojimbo (Yojimbo)
New member Username: Yojimbo Post Number: 135 Registered: 11-2009 |
T.C.O.B. = the? cost? of? business? Fred a HAM? Alive+Breathing? did Fred innovate something, which has an inconvenient byproduct for others? | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 484 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is this a situation where there's a limited amount of work, and employees get paid for how much work that they do? Therefore, because Fred did so much work so quickly, the other employees were not paid as much? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 791 Registered: 10-2008 |
Yojimbo (Yojimbo) T.C.O.B. = the? cost? of? business? "Taking Care of Business," a classic from Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Fred a HAM? Yes. Alive+Breathing? Yes. did Fred innovate something, which has an inconvenient byproduct for others? No. Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle) Is this a situation where there's a limited amount of work, and employees get paid for how much work that they do? Therefore, because Fred did so much work so quickly, the other employees were not paid as much? No. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 727 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is it relevant what Fred's work produced? is it somehow the product of his labor that inconvenience people? or just that he worked quickly and well? Is it relevant where he worked? when? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 679 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are people inconvenienced today, because of what Fred did in the past? Or what he is doing now? Did Fred create something? Improve something? Profession of Fred relevant? Of the dozens of people? did fred know what he did would inconvenience them? Do the dozens of people interact with Fred? If not, did they do so in the past? Is fred a supervisor/boss? Are the people inconvenienced: at home? at work? when travelling? when outside? when doing something specific? Money involved? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 798 Registered: 10-2008 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) Is it relevant what Fred's work produced? Yes. is it somehow the product of his labor that inconvenience people? Noish. or just that he worked quickly and well? If he hadn't, it wouldn't be an inconvenience. Is it relevant where he worked? Yope, could be many places. when? Yope, could be many times. Galfisk (Galfisk) Are people inconvenienced today, because of what Fred did in the past? Yes. Or what he is doing now? No. Did Fred create something? Yes. Improve something? Yesish. Profession of Fred relevant? Yes. Of the dozens of people? Profession or activity, yes. did fred know what he did would inconvenience them? Irr. Do the dozens of people interact with Fred? No. If not, did they do so in the past? No. Is fred a supervisor/boss? No. Are the people inconvenienced: at home? at work? This, most likely. when travelling? when outside? when doing something specific? Yes. Money involved? No. | ||
| Tommyp (Tommyp)
New member Username: Tommyp Post Number: 904 Registered: 3-2004 |
There is just one relevant "Fred"? he did his work at several places? during a period of time? Was his work construction of something? or more creating an idea for something? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 766 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he create: an object? Multiple objects? Did he design something for mass production? Do people use what he created? Is that what inconveniences them? did he create: a machine? Device? Material? Something intangible? Like a procedure? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 800 Registered: 10-2008 |
Tommyp (Tommyp) There is just one relevant "Fred"? Yes. he did his work at several places? He very well could. during a period of time? Yes. Was his work construction of something? No. or more creating an idea for something? Yope. Galfisk (Galfisk) Did he create: an object? Yesish, but this isn't all. Multiple objects? Yes. Did he design something for mass production? No. Do people use what he created? Yes. Is that what inconveniences them? Yesish. did he create: a machine? Device? Material? No to all. Something intangible? Yope, there was a physical product as well. Like a procedure? This is very likely part of it. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 864 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the people constantly inconvenienced while doing this thing? Or is it only inconvenient to begin with? Are the dozens of people: in the same place? Same country? All over the world? Is the minor inconvenience in: having to do more work? Harder work? Something difficult? Something requiring practice to master? Did Fred make something for himself, which is inconvenient to use for people that work slower an/or less well? Assembly line relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 801 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Are the people constantly inconvenienced while doing this thing? Noish. Or is it only inconvenient to begin with? Mostly, yes. Are the dozens of people: in the same place? Same country? All over the world? Irr., could be this. Is the minor inconvenience in: having to do more work? This. Harder work? Something difficult? Something requiring practice to master? Did Fred make something for himself, which is inconvenient to use for people that work slower and/or less well? No. Assembly line relevant? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 868 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant when Fred did his work? Are the dozens of people inconvenienced because: thay re the only ones using Fred's product/procedure? (would that be an accurate dscription of what Fred made?) Or do more people use "it" but only dozens are inconvenienced? Do they have something in common more than their use of "it"? Some disability? "Today"=present time, right? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 812 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Relevant when Fred did his work? Could be a wide range of years. Are the dozens of people inconvenienced because: thay re the only ones using Fred's product/procedure? Yes. (would that be an accurate dscription of what Fred made?) It does involve a physical object, and a procedure of sorts... Or do more people use "it" but only dozens are inconvenienced? No. Do they have something in common more than their use of "it"? Most likely. Some disability? No. "Today"=present time, right? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 876 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is Fred's profession: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Inventor? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? How about the profession/activity of the dozens of people? Is the procedure of sorts done: with the physical object? To the physical object? Near it? Did he create the physical object? Or did it already exist? Is it created during the procedure? Changed? Used up/depleted? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 815 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Is Fred's profession: Artistic? Musical? Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman? Banking? Financial? Real estate? Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist? Computer related? Hardware? Information technology? Construction? Craftsman? Criminal? Jailbird? Education? Academic Research? This could be related... Entertainment? Media? Executive? Management? Hospitality? Travel? Food Service? Inventor? Law enforcement? Police? Legal Services? Manufacturing? Distributions? Medical? Health Services? As could this... Politics? Government? Military? Sales? Marketing? Tradesman? Religion? Retired person? Occupational disease? Sports? Student? Trainee? Teaching? Child care? Technical? Science? ...but primarily this. Engineering? Transportation? Unemployed? Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter? Other? How about the profession/activity of the dozens of people? Same. Is the procedure of sorts done: with the physical object? Thisish. To the physical object? Near it? Did he create the physical object? Yes. Or did it already exist? Is it created during the procedure? Changed? Used up/depleted? No to rest. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 967 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they all scientists? A scientific instrument invovled? The scientific method relevant? scientific field(s) invovled: biology? Chemistry? Physics? Electronics? Nanotechnology? Astronomy? Nuclear physics? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 817 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Are they all scientists? Yes. A scientific instrument invovled? Not necessarily. The scientific method relevant? scientific field(s) invovled: biology? Chemistry? Physics? Electronics? Nanotechnology? Astronomy? Nuclear physics? I believe that all of these would work. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1000 Registered: 9-2009 |
Math involved? Can the physical product be described as: an instrument? Tool? Is it handheld? Is it used for anything besides Fred's procedure? Did Fred personally make the objects in use today? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 841 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Math involved? Probably. Can the physical product be described as: an instrument? Tool? Is it handheld? Many products could result from what Fred does, but for the relevant one, no to all. Is it used for anything besides Fred's procedure? Yesish. Did Fred personally make the objects in use today? Possibly, but FA; the relevant product comes about as a result of what he does. Thinking of this as a product of a procedure might be throwing you off, because it's something that is itself created. It comes about because of what Fred does, some time after he does it. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1033 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does Fred design it? Make specifications for it? Is it manmade? Natural? Does it grow? Important what kind of scientist Fred is? Can the object be called his creation? Is the object different because he works so quickly and so well? Food relevant? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 847 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Does Fred design it? Make specifications for it? Not really. Is it manmade? This. Natural? Does it grow? No. Important what kind of scientist Fred is? No. Can the object be called his creation? I suppose. Is the object different because he works so quickly and so well? Yope. Food relevant? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1120 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do the scientists have anything in common, more than that they're inconvenienced by what Fred made? Do they need a tool to do the relevant activity? Math relevant? Writing? Do other scientists use something similar? If so: are they not inconvenienced? Or are they still inconvenienced, but can't blame Fred for it? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 850 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Do the scientists have anything in common, more than that they're inconvenienced by what Fred made? Probably. Do they need a tool to do the relevant activity? Yes, for svv of tool. Math relevant? Writing? Not really, although they may use both. Do other scientists use something similar? Yes. If so: are they not inconvenienced? Not as much. Or are they still inconvenienced, but can't blame Fred for it? Possibly. I'm going to do a mini-recap to make sure we're on the same page. Fred, a scientist, performed activities and created certain things. Creating these things are part of the activity, but aren't finished until after it's done. Other scientists must use these things when they perform activities, and this causes them inconvenience. It causes them inconvenience because Fred performed the activities quickly and well. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 617 Registered: 6-2008 |
Patents relevant? any other legal matters? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 862 Registered: 10-2008 |
Biograd (Biograd) Patents relevant? No. any other legal matters? Noish. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 619 Registered: 6-2008 |
Do the scientists use these "things" only because there is nothing more convenient to use? If these things had not been created, would the scientists who are inconvenienced not be able to do their work at all? Would their field of study even exist if Fred hadn't done what he did? Are these "things" best classified as a type of: instruments? other devices? materials (e.g. metal alloys, plastics)? molecules? cells? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 869 Registered: 10-2008 |
Biograd (Biograd) Do the scientists use these "things" only because there is nothing more convenient to use? No. If these things had not been created, would the scientists who are inconvenienced not be able to do their work at all? Probably not the same work, yes. Would their field of study even exist if Fred hadn't done what he did? Irr., but he has laid the groundwork for them. Are these "things" best classified as a type of: instruments? other devices? materials (e.g. metal alloys, plastics)? molecules? cells? No to all. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 620 Registered: 6-2008 |
The things came about as a result of Fred's work in the sense that: -They materially came into existence in the process of his work? (as a new element would be created in a particle accelerator experiment) -They became possible due to a theory Fred discovered or formulated? (as radios and cell phones have come into being--very indirectly--as a result of Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism) -They contain a component that Fred discovered or built? (in the sense that most modern electronic devices are only possible since the transistor was built) | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 872 Registered: 10-2008 |
Biograd (Biograd) The things came about as a result of Fred's work in the sense that: -They materially came into existence in the process of his work? (as a new element would be created in a particle accelerator experiment) No. -They became possible due to a theory Fred discovered or formulated? Yesish...(as radios and cell phones have come into being--very indirectly--as a result of Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism) But not like this. -They contain a component that Fred discovered or built? (in the sense that most modern electronic devices are only possible since the transistor was built) No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1287 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do the scientists also create things during their procedure? Similar things to what Fred created? Do they work with their hands? Does Fred working quickly and well mean they also have to work quickly and well? Is the object something normally associated with scientists? Is Fred based on a real person? If so, would it help to figure out who he is? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 974 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Do the scientists also create things during their procedure? Similar things to what Fred created? Most likely; it's just something that comes about as a result of many scientists' work. Do they work with their hands? Yesish. Does Fred working quickly and well mean they also have to work quickly and well? Not necessarily. Is the object something normally associated with scientists? Not archetypally, but it is a big part of their jobs. Is Fred based on a real person? If so, would it help to figure out who he is? No, several people have done what he did. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1303 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is "it" a research paper? Some other piece of information? Experimental results? Are they inconvenienced because he has produced a lot of data, which they have to go through if they wish to build on his research? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 977 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Is "it" a research paper? Yes! Some other piece of information? No. Experimental results? Yes, probably in paper/article form. Are they inconvenienced because he has produced a lot of data, which they have to go through if they wish to build on his research? But no. | ||
| Alex319 (Alex319)
New member Username: Alex319 Post Number: 875 Registered: 5-2007 |
Are the "people who are inconvenienced" other scientists who want to read Fred's paper? Does Fred's working quickly and well mean that the paper is longer? Harder to get access to? Harder to understand? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 982 Registered: 10-2008 |
Alex319 (Alex319) Are the "people who are inconvenienced" other scientists who want to read Fred's paper? No, they have read it. Does Fred's working quickly and well mean that the paper is longer? No. Harder to get access to? Harder to understand? No to rest, but good q's. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1609 Registered: 7-2009 |
Has he done the same research project as others are working, but because he finishes it so quickly, the others have to change their projects to something else? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 984 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Has he done the same research project as others are working, but because he finishes it so quickly, the others have to change their projects to something else? Nope. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1315 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they inconvenienced by: the contents of the paper? The speed at which the paper came out? The quality of the research in the paper? Are higher expectations put on them because of Fred's great work? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 985 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Are they inconvenienced by: the contents of the paper? No. The speed at which the paper came out? Yesish, slight FA. The quality of the research in the paper? No. Are higher expectations put on them because of Fred's great work? Noish. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1334 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is only one research paper relevant? Or all the work of Fred? Is it the time of publication that causes inconvenience? Does Fred publish more frequently than other scientists? At unusual times? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 1011 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Is only one research paper relevant? No, good q. Or all the work of Fred? No. Is it the time of publication that causes inconvenience? Yes. Does Fred publish more frequently than other scientists? Yes. At unusual times? Yope. You're getting close! I'll be out of town for a week, but any new questions will be answered by Sunday. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1618 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is tenure review relevant? Are the other scientists inconvenienced by having to explain why they don't publish as often as Fred? Or, are they inconvenienced because he publishes so often that they frequently have to update the citations in the papers they're writing to stay up to date? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 1014 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Is tenure review relevant? No. Are the other scientists inconvenienced by having to explain why they don't publish as often as Fred? No. Or, are they inconvenienced because he publishes so often that they frequently have to update the citations in the papers they're writing to stay up to date? No, but very OTRT. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1480 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do they: use his papers in their own work as scientists? Review them for publication? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 1031 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Do they: use his papers in their own work as scientists? Yes! Review them for publication? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1497 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do they have to retrace their steps in experiments, becuase Fred frequently publishes new information that they have not accounted for? Or does he otherwise disrupt what they're doing? Is there a relevant process which most scientists follow, which makes some part of being a scientist a predictable routine? but Fred disrupts this process? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 1034 Registered: 10-2008 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) Do they have to retrace their steps in experiments, becuase Fred frequently publishes new information that they have not accounted for? No. Or does he otherwise disrupt what they're doing? Not directly. Is there a relevant process which most scientists follow, which makes some part of being a scientist a predictable routine? but Fred disrupts this process? I'd say so. Since this puzzle has dragged on so long, let me pull out the most relevant facts: Two or more of Fred's papers are involved. The relative timing of his publishings is relevant. The other scientists could be working years after he finished. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1638 Registered: 7-2009 |
Were they published in the same year? So that citations have to identify the papers as, say, Fred 2010a and Fred 2010b? | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 1044 Registered: 10-2008 |
Noel (Noel) Were they published in the same year? So that citations have to identify the papers as, say, Fred 2010a and Fred 2010b? Indeed, Noel has gotten as close as is humanly possible to my convoluted answer. Congrats! **************SPOILER Scientist Fred worked so quickly that he published scientific articles several times per year, and so well that any future articles in his field are virtually obligated to cite him. Therefore, dozens of new writers have had to look up the proper method to cite two or more articles by the same author in the same year. A minor inconvenience, but, if you hate citing as much as I do... |
