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Gourami (Gourami)
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Though it had been nowhere near the room where the game was played, when Kara saw the mirror, she called Tom a cheater.
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Well, it's a great Radiohead song, so I'll bite...

Was the "game" played a literal one? Cards/board game/sport? Was the mirror smaller than a bread box? Were there fingerprints on it? Anything relevant on it? Does the location of the mirror (when she sees it) make a difference? Was tom actually a cheater?
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Well, it's a great Radiohead song, so I'll bite... Aha, I lured you in. =)

Was the "game" played a literal one? Yes. Cards/board game/sport? None of these. Was the mirror smaller than a bread box? Yes. Were there fingerprints on it? Irr. Anything relevant on it? No. Does the location of the mirror (when she sees it) make a difference? Yes. Was tom actually a cheater? It's a matter of opinion.
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Is the mirror visible from anywhere in the room where the game is being played?

In order to be a "cheater, would Tom have had to look at himself in the mirror? at something else? shine a light into the mirror?
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Is the mirror visible from anywhere in the room where the game is being played? No.

In order to be a "cheater, would Tom have had to look at himself in the mirror? No. at something else? No. shine a light into the mirror? No.
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So Tom did something which is considered as cheating by some peolpe including Kara? Did he use the mirror for it?

Are dice used in the game? Coins or chips? A ball?

Does the result of the game, if played without cheating, usually depend on luck? Strategy? Fitness?

Was the game played by Kara? By Tom? Did they play against each other? Did they form (part of) a team?
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So Tom did something which is considered as cheating by some people including Kara? Yes. Did he use the mirror for it? No.

Are dice used in the game? Coins or chips? A ball? No to all.

Does the result of the game, if played without cheating, usually depend on luck? Strategy? This is closest. Fitness?

Was the game played by Kara? Yes. By Tom? Yes. Did they play against each other? Yesish. Did they form (part of) a team? Noish.
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Is it a game where you don't need any material at all? Solving lateral puzzles maybe?
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Is it a wargame?

Did Kara believe Tom used a mirror to cheat? Did she see some evidence in the mirror that he had cheated? Did she need to see something in the mirror? Is the mirror itself relevant (for example, is its size, shape, location or state of cleanliness/disrepair relevant)? Or would any mirror have done?

This is a literal, physical mirror, such as the glass/silver thing you find in a bathroom? Or is it something that can act as a mirror, such as a spoon or a pane of glass? Or a metaphorical mirror, like a mirror into the soul?
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Did Tom put the mirror where Kara found it? Did he remove it from somewhere Kara expected it to be? Was it a handbag sized mirror? A compact? Did several people play the game? Did they have to guess at e.g. the contents of someone's bag?
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Markobr (Markobr)

Is it a game where you don't need any material at all? Something is usually used, but not required. Solving lateral puzzles maybe? No, but good idea.

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Is it a wargame? No.

Did Kara believe Tom used a mirror to cheat? NO. Did she see some evidence in the mirror that he had cheated? You mean, reflected? No. Did she need to see something in the mirror? No. Is the mirror itself relevant (for example, is its size, shape, location or state of cleanliness/disrepair relevant)? Yes. Or would any mirror have done? No.

This is a literal, physical mirror, such as the glass/silver thing you find in a bathroom? Yope. Or is it something that can act as a mirror, such as a spoon or a pane of glass? It is used as a mirror and can be called a mirror, but there are other terms for it. Or a metaphorical mirror, like a mirror into the soul? No.

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Did Tom put the mirror where Kara found it? No. Did he remove it from somewhere Kara expected it to be? No. Was it a handbag sized mirror? Yope. A compact? No. Did several people play the game? Yes. Did they have to guess at e.g. the contents of someone's bag? No, good thought.
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Did Kara, when she saw the mirror, think something like "that type of mirror, at that place, would surely be there for cheating"? but she didn't think it had anything to do with cheating in the actual game she and Tom were in?

Was Tom winning in the game? so that Kara could suspect him of cheating? and the sighting of the mirror could reinforce that suspicion?

Was the game played just for the fun of it? for money? for more serious stakes?
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Was the mirror an integral part of something else?

Is its purpose to be used as a mirror? Would someone purchase it to use as a mirror? Is it portable? Is it mounted on something? A wall? Something else immovable? Is it part of a store antitheft device? Is it breakable? Would it cost over $100? $1000? More? Is it a signalling device?
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Did Kara, when she saw the mirror, think something like "that type of mirror, at that place, would surely be there for cheating"? No. but she didn't think it had anything to do with cheating in the actual game she and Tom were in? This is true.

Was Tom winning in the game? Yes. so that Kara could suspect him of cheating? Irr. and the sighting of the mirror could reinforce that suspicion?

Was the game played just for the fun of it? This. for money? for more serious stakes? Let's say it's a casual game that people were taking pretty seriously.

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Was the mirror an integral part of something else? Yesish.

Is its purpose to be used as a mirror? Yes.Would someone purchase it to use as a mirror? Yes. Is it portable? Yes. Is it mounted on something? Yes. A wall? No. Something else immovable? Sometimes it is placed on something immovable, but it can be removed. Is it part of a store antitheft device? No. Is it breakable? Yes. Would it cost over $100? $1000? More? I'm not really sure. Probably less than 100. Is it a signalling device? No.
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Did Tom put the mirror there? Or change something about it? To somehow facilitate the supposed cheating? Was the cheating activity done: before the game? During? After?
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Did the mirror remind Kara of something (jar her memory in some way)? Did something that was reflected in the mirror remind Kara of something?
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Did Tom put the mirror there? No. Or change something about it? To somehow facilitate the supposed cheating? No. Was the cheating activity done: before the game? During? This.After?

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Did the mirror remind Kara of something (jar her memory in some way)? I'll say noish, but she did make an association. Did something that was reflected in the mirror remind Kara of something? No.
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Is the mirror attached to another object, and that object triggered the cheating accusation? Is it a car mirror? a one-way mirror? Does the mirror belong to Tom? to Kara?
Was there another object in the room where the game was played that could be used as a mirror?

Did Tom's cheating involve: prior knowledge of something? knowledge of other players' holdings or strategies during the game? knowledge of the game that was supposed to be hidden? his giving deceptive information to the other players?
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Is the mirror attached to another object, and that object triggered the cheating accusation? Yope. The mirror is of a type with different parts, and because it is this type, she accuses him. Is it a car mirror? No. a one-way mirror? No. Does the mirror belong to Tom? No. to Kara? No.
Was there another object in the room where the game was played that could be used as a mirror? Irr.

Did Tom's cheating involve: prior knowledge of something? No. knowledge of other players' holdings or strategies during the game? No. knowledge of the game that was supposed to be hidden? Noish. his giving deceptive information to the other players? Noish.
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OK - the nature of this mirror:
Is it a mirror which would normally be used as a looking glass?

Or is it a mirror which is part of another piece of equipment? such as an SLR camera, or telescope, or periscope?

Is it a specialist mirror with a particular function? such as a dentist's mirror?

Is it a one-way mirror?

The equipment used in the game: pencil and paper?

The game: a word game? a memory game? a game involving calculation ability? Do the players play as individuals?or in pairs? or in teams? (and if in teams, are the number in each team fixed or variable?)
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Was something added to the mirror? Removed? Was it fogged?
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OK - the nature of this mirror:
Is it a mirror which would normally be used as a looking glass? No.

Or is it a mirror which is part of another piece of equipment? Yesish. such as an SLR camera, or telescope, or periscope? None of these.

Is it a specialist mirror with a particular function? Yes. such as a dentist's mirror? Not this.

Is it a one-way mirror? No.

The equipment used in the game: pencil and paper? Yes.

The game: a word game? Yesish. a memory game? a game involving calculation ability? Do the players play as individuals?or in pairs? or in teams? (and if in teams, are the number in each team fixed or variable?) Teams, variable, no to rest.

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Was something added to the mirror? Removed? Was it fogged? No.
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The mirror: part of a microscope? mirror glasses? (either the sunglasses type, or the rear-view type)
Is it made of silvered glass? polished metal? aluminium foil? liquid?

The word game (ish): a guessing game of some kind? charades? articulate?
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The mirror: part of a microscope? mirror glasses? (either the sunglasses type, or the rear-view type)No. Sorry if my last answers confused: it is primarily a mirror, but it has multiple parts.
Is it made of silvered glass? polished metal? aluminium foil? liquid? None of the above.

The word game (ish): a guessing game of some kind? charades? Yes! articulate?
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Was the accusation of cheating made not because of the mirror itself, but because of one of the other parts? Do the other parts perform other functions? For example, a microphone? Or does the "mirror" indicate that Tom has other skills that would be useful (e.g. sign language)
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Was the accusation of cheating made not because of the mirror itself, but because of one of the other parts? Noish. Do the other parts perform other functions? For example, a microphone? No, they all go toward the primary function. Or does the "mirror" indicate that Tom has other skills that would be useful (e.g. sign language) Yes! Ish! Follow this train of thought!
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Is the mirror perchance a signalling mirror? or a heliograph? Does it suggest that Tom knows Morse code, and was using this to communicate with a team member?
If not this, does Kara think that Tom was using a coded method of communication? Is there at least one other member of Tom's team that she thinks was cheating with Tom?
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Is the mirror perchance a signalling mirror? No. or a heliograph? No. Does it suggest that Tom knows Morse code, and was using this to communicate with a team member? No, good thought.

If not this, does Kara think that Tom was using a coded method of communication? Yes. Is there at least one other member of Tom's team that she thinks was cheating with Tom? Yes!
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Was it a rear view mirror from a car?
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Was it a rear view mirror from a car? Nope.
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Does she think Tom used the mirror to practice signaling? Does she think it was used during the game itself? reflection of sunlight relevant? Other light? Reflection off of the face of a watch? Or similar innocent-looking object? Did his partner-in-cheating also participate in the game? If so, did he have a special role in the game? Or was he observing?
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Does she think Tom used the mirror to practice signaling? No. Does she think it was used during the game itself? No. reflection of sunlight relevant? Other light? Reflection off of the face of a watch? Or similar innocent-looking object? No to all. Did his partner-in-cheating also participate in the game? Yes. If so, did he have a special role in the game? Yesish. Or was he observing? No.

Hint: Oisin was right on track as far as the signaling method.
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The coded communication: was it a private code, or might other people also know and use this code? If the latter, is the code linked to a particular profession? (bookies? scuba divers? military?) or hobby?
Is it a code that uses hand gestures?
Is the mirror device used to communicate this code? or is it just associated with the group of people who share this code?
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The coded communication: was it a private code, or might other people also know and use this code? the latter. If the latter, is the code linked to a particular profession? (bookies? scuba divers? military?) or hobby? No to all.
Is it a code that uses hand gestures? Yes. Is the mirror device used to communicate this code? No. or is it just associated with the group of people who share this code? Yes.
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... so near, and yet so far. I'm still struggling to identify the group, code, or device

Is the code being used a standardised code (such as finger spelling, ASL or military close quarter code), or is it a more ad hoc code, such as gang recognition symbols?

The group of people who know this code: they do not have a particular profession or hobby in common. Is there a set of linked professions in common? or of similar hobbies?

The device: it is a mirror, but consisting of several parts. Do these parts have any other separate function on their own, or are they there to help the mirror perform its primary function? Are they folding supports to allow it to stand up? Is the mirror's normal use scientific? linked to transport? communication? cosmetic? photographic? security? to allow vision around a corner?
Is it a flat mirror? a convex mirror? concave? magnifying?
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... so near, and yet so far. I'm still struggling to identify the group, code, or device I think you already did!

Is the code being used a standardised code (such as finger spelling, ASL This! or military close quarter code), or is it a more ad hoc code, such as gang recognition symbols?

The group of people who know this code: they do not have a particular profession or hobby in common. Is there a set of linked professions in common? or of similar hobbies? No, see above.

The device: it is a mirror, but consisting of several parts. Do these parts have any other separate function on their own, or are they there to help the mirror perform its primary function? This. Are they folding supports to allow it to stand up? Yope. Is the mirror's normal use scientific? linked to transport? communication? Thisish. cosmetic? photographic? security? to allow vision around a corner? No to rest.
Is it a flat mirror? a convex mirror? concave? magnifying? Flat.
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so Tom and one of his teammates know ASL. (or so Kara suspects). Is Tom deaf? His teammate? Is the mirror a speech therapist mirror? Or a mirror for practising ASL? Ir is there some other device used by the deaf community (or by those who work with the deaf community) which features a mirror?
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so Tom and one of his teammates know ASL. (or so Kara suspects). Yes. Is Tom deaf? No. His teammate? Yes. Is the mirror a speech therapist mirror? No. Or a mirror for practising ASL? No. Ir is there some other device used by the deaf community (or by those who work with the deaf community) which features a mirror? Yes.
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*************RECAP****

Tom and Kara were part of a group that was playing Charades; they were on opposite teams. No one in the group could see the mirror, any reflection, or any object that helped them cheat. Tom had an associate with whom he was using American Sign Language to cheat, or at least gain an unfair advantage. Tom is not deaf, but his confederate is.

The "mirror" is a reflective surface that could be called a mirror, but also has other terms to describe it. It is flat, and not made of metal or silvered glass. It has several parts that hold it up-ish, but is not a wall mirror or a compact. This mirror is used in the deaf community, in a field related to communication, and the nature of it is the only major thing left to find out.
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Hmm, is it a TTY (the device deaf people use instead of a phone)? If so, does a TTY have a big shiny surface on it? The screen?
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Or is it a video phone?
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Hmm, is it a TTY (the device deaf people use instead of a phone)? No to all. If so, does a TTY have a big shiny surface on it? The screen?

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Or is it a video phone? No.

Good thoughts.
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Is the 'mirror' a screen of some sort? If so: laptop? computer monitor? television? portable dvd?

Is it a reflector for a light? Part of a doorbell alert light? or telephone alert light? or smoke alarm alert?
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Is the mirror professionally made specifically for the purposes of the deaf? Or is it sold/used for other purposes? By non-deaf people? Is sign language used while utilizing it?

Would the signs used need to be "backward" to be used with this mirror? Is that relevant?

Is the specific scene or object that Tom (or Kara) acts out in Charades relevant? Are motions made that could double for ASL?
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Is the 'mirror' a screen of some sort? Not really: it only displays what is reflected. If so: laptop? computer monitor? television? portable dvd?

Is it a reflector for a light? Part of a doorbell alert light? or telephone alert light? or smoke alarm alert? No to rest.

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Is the mirror professionally made specifically for the purposes of the deaf? Any hearing-impaired people, yes. Or is it sold/used for other purposes? By non-deaf people? No. Is sign language used while utilizing it? No.

Would the signs used need to be "backward" to be used with this mirror? Is that relevant? No.

Is the specific scene or object that Tom (or Kara) acts out in Charades relevant? No. Are motions made that could double for ASL? ASL is used, yes.
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Is the mirror for the deaf to speak into, so that they can practice speaking without being able to hear and can see their mouth movements clearly and perhaps match them against instructions?
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Nope.
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The mirror is used in communication (ish):
Is it used when communicating in a dialogue with another person? or when receiving communications (if so: radio? TV? video? telephone? subtitles?) or in knowing that someone is trying to open communications? (doorbell? telephone? TTY?)
When using the mirror, is the deaf person looking in it? the person they are communicating with? are they looking at something they could not see without the mirror? something about themselves? something behind them? something around a corner?
Is the mirror surface a passive reflector, or does it enhance the image somehow? magnify?
Does the mirror need electrical power? Would the deaf person carry it with them, or would it normally be kept in the same place in the house? If the latter, is the place it's kept relevant?
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The mirror is used in communication (ish):
Is it used when communicating in a dialogue with another person? No. or when receiving communications (if so: radio? TV? video? telephone? subtitles? This!) or in knowing that someone is trying to open communications? (doorbell? telephone? TTY?) No to rest.

When using the mirror, is the deaf person looking in it? Yes. the person they are communicating with? No. are they looking at something they could not see without the mirror? Yes. something about themselves? something behind them? This. something around a corner?
Is the mirror surface a passive reflector, or does it enhance the image somehow? magnify? Passive reflector, although I believe it reflects some things while being translucent itself.
Does the mirror need electrical power? No. Would the deaf person carry it with them, or would it normally be kept in the same place in the house? This, unless they are going somewhere they will use it. If the latter, is the place it's kept relevant? Yope: usually, or in the puzzle?
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OK - I think I've seen this device being used on See Hear; it's a sort of subtitling viewer for use in cinemas, where you can see through the device and also see subtitles reflected from the back of the cinema. As far as I remember, they liked the idea, but the device itself was difficult to set up, distracting to others, and affected the colour of the film. Is this the mirror?
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Oisin (Oisin)

OK - I think I've seen this device being used on See Hear; it's a sort of subtitling viewer for use in cinemas, where you can see through the device and also see subtitles reflected from the back of the cinema. As far as I remember, they liked the idea, but the device itself was difficult to set up, distracting to others, and affected the colour of the film. Is this the mirror? Yes! Nice job. I believe they're making sleeker models that can be set so that only the user sees the words, and they run right along the bottom of the screen. But I can see how it's still not ideal.

Anyway, care to put it all together?
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Is the game of charades taking place at the deaf teammate's (let's call him Sam) house? Or has the group been to the cinema, and Sam has brought his subtitle mirror along? Did Kara know beforehand that Tom knew ASL? That Sam was deaf? Did she see Tom and Sam making hand gestures during the game, but thought nothing more of it until she saw Sam's device, and realised that the 'gestures' were probably ASL?
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Yes to all! Nice work sticking with it. And to wrap up any confusion:

*************SPOILER
Tom and Kara are relatives, playing a serious game of Charades with their family. Tom invites his new friend Sam along to play. And whenever Tom must give or receive clues with Sam, they understand each other almost instantly! It's like they have their own language!

Later, Kara happens to glance into a bag belonging to Sam (or a purse; I was imagining a girl, but it really doesn't matter). She sees a plastic panel and recognizes it as a part of the Rear Window Captioning System, which helps hearing-impaired people enjoy movies in theaters. In the theater, subtitles are displayed along the rear wall, and by using this special mirror, the individual can see them and the screen at the same time.

Kara realizes that Tom and Sam were speaking a language to each other during the game, one that Sam must have taught Tom because he is hearing-impaired--American Sign Language. She doesn't hesitate to call them out as cheaters.

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