| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2293 Registered: 5-2003 |
A student is in class, when a subject is raised of which he has personal knowledge. Though he has considerable insight into the topic, he does not join in the discussion. Why? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1255 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is there something specific about this subject that keeps him from discussing it? Or would he keep out of discussions of other subjects in which he has a similar degree of knowledge? Is his age relevant? Is the subject at hand relevant? Is the nature of his personal knowledge relevant? Is his level of knowledge compared to his peers relevant? Would participating in the discussion reveal something about him that he wants to keep hidden? Does he want to hide the fact that he knows a lot about this subject? Or is the reason more specific? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2294 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is there something specific about this subject that keeps him from discussing it? Yes. Or would he keep out of discussions of other subjects in which he has a similar degree of knowledge? no. Is his age relevant? No. Is the subject at hand relevant? Yes. Is the nature of his personal knowledge relevant? Yes. Is his level of knowledge compared to his peers relevant? Noish. Would participating in the discussion reveal something about him that he wants to keep hidden? Yes. Does he want to hide the fact that he knows a lot about this subject? This specific subject, yes. Or is the reason more specific? Yes. | ||
| La_sparky (La_sparky)
New member Username: La_sparky Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2008 |
would people judge him if he participated in the discussion? were people against this subject or discussing it in a negative manner? a positive manner? was his opinion of it positive? negative? was the subject something he had done? would he be in trouble legally if he joined the discussion? is it relevant what class this is in? | ||
| La_sparky (La_sparky)
New member Username: La_sparky Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2008 |
is the subject self-injury? drugs? something similar? a murder? robbery? something similar? is the person in the witness-protection program? do people know that he has a knowledge of this subject? do his parents know? teacher? classmates? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2295 Registered: 5-2003 |
would people judge him if he participated in the discussion? Possibly. were people against this subject or discussing it in a negative manner? Yesish. Look out for an FA. a positive manner? No. was his opinion of it positive? Yes. negative? No. was the subject something he had done? Yes. would he be in trouble legally if he joined the discussion? No. is it relevant what class this is in? Yes. is the subject self-injury? drugs? something similar? No. a murder? robbery? something similar? No. is the person in the witness-protection program? No. do people know that he has a knowledge of this subject? Yes. do his parents know? Yes. teacher? Yesish. classmates? Yesish. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1746 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he abstain from participating in the discussion because he was afraid of the reaction of his classmates? Teacher(s)? Other people? Is the subject immoral? Illegal? Is the subject bullying? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2296 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he abstain from participating in the discussion because he was afraid of the reaction of his classmates? Yes. Teacher(s)? Yes. Other people? Irr. Is the subject immoral? No. Illegal? Noish. Is the subject bullying? No. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1568 Registered: 7-2009 |
The subject area of the class he is in: math? natural sciences? social sciences? history? literature? grammar? foreign language? arts? physical education? His grade level: pre-school? elementary? middle school/junior high? High school? college? graduate school? continuing education? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1747 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are there other classmates with a similar knowledge of the subject? If so, is it likely that they would refuse to talk about the subject as well? Is there something special about him in comparison to his other classmates? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2298 Registered: 5-2003 |
The subject area of the class he is in: Blooper: The specific class he is in doesn't matter so much as his general course of study. math? natural sciences? social sciences? Thisish. history? This. literature? grammar? foreign language? arts? physical education? His grade level: pre-school? elementary? middle school/junior high? High school? college? He's at one, but it's more of a... graduate school? Thisish. continuing education? More thisish, though. Are there other classmates with a similar knowledge of the subject? Possibly. If so, is it likely that they would refuse to talk about the subject as well? No. Is there something special about him in comparison to his other classmates? Yes. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1748 Registered: 11-2008 |
The something special: physical traits? psychological? previous experience? background? Was he in prison? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2301 Registered: 5-2003 |
The something special: physical traits? psychological? previous experience? This. background? And this. Was he in prison? No. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1750 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is his family background relevant? If so, was his family extremely rich? Poor? Is there something special about his parents? Siblings? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2302 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is his family background relevant? No. If so, was his family extremely rich? Poor? Is there something special about his parents? Siblings? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1572 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did his previous experience involve doing something relevant? hearing something relevant? witnessing something relevant? having something relevant done to him? reading something relevant? touching something relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2306 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did his previous experience involve doing something relevant? This. hearing something relevant? witnessing something relevant? having something relevant done to him? reading something relevant? touching something relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1754 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the something relevant a criminal activity? A shameful activity? Something he was ashamed of although it was not shameful per se? Was it a gainful activity? Did he do it in public? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2309 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the something relevant a criminal activity? No. A shameful activity? Noish. Something he was ashamed of although it was not shameful per se? Under the circumstances, yes. Was it a gainful activity? Noish. Did he do it in public? Yope. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
Moderator Username: Gourami Post Number: 939 Registered: 10-2008 |
Does this have to do with his nationality? Was the class discussing terrorism? Immigration? The government of another country? Perhaps he comes from a country whose government his new home condemns? Could this happen in any country? Only a few? Only one? Has it likely happened? Does it likely happen often? Are they talking primarily about an event? A place? The actions of an individual? Laws? Social norms? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2321 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does this have to do with his nationality? Yes. Was the class discussing terrorism? Immigration? The government of another country? Thisish. Perhaps he comes from a country whose government his new home condemns? No, but you're on the right track. Could this happen in any country? Depends on circumstances, but yes. Only a few? Only one? Has it likely happened? Yes. Does it likely happen often? No. It is more common at some times than at others, however. Are they talking primarily about an event? This. A place? The actions of an individual? Laws? Social norms? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1767 Registered: 11-2008 |
Religion relevant? Circumcision? War relevant? Would it help us to determine which country he is coming from? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2323 Registered: 5-2003 |
Religion relevant? Only so far as it would help you determine his country. Circumcision? No. War relevant? Yes. Would it help us to determine which country he is coming from? Yes. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1768 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is this country in: Europe?Africa? Asia? America? Australia? Is he a Muslim? Buddhist? Christian? Jew? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2325 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is this country in: Europe?Africa? Asia? b{This.} America? Australia? Is he a Muslim? Buddhist? Christian? Jew? This. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1770 Registered: 11-2008 |
the country: Israel? The war: WWII? The conflict between Israel and Palestine? If so, any specific part of the conflict? Did he serve in armed forces? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2326 Registered: 5-2003 |
the country: Israel? Yes. The war: WWII? The conflict between Israel and Palestine? If so, any specific part of the conflict? None of these. Did he serve in armed forces? Yes. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 649 Registered: 6-2008 |
I am aware that all Israeli citizens are required to spend a certain number of years in the armed forces. However, they may choose to serve this time in intelligence rather than combat training. When choosing this, there is some type of confidentiality agreement they sign. Are any of these relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2338 Registered: 5-2003 |
I am aware that all Israeli citizens are required to spend a certain number of years in the armed forces. However, they may choose to serve this time in intelligence rather than combat training. When choosing this, there is some type of confidentiality agreement they sign. Are any of these relevant? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2341 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: This happened in the 1950s, and concerned an incident from the Israeli War of Independence in 1949. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2364 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: He's at a foreign military college. | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 314 Registered: 3-2009 |
Is a violation of the 1949 Armistice Agreement relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2380 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is a violation of the 1949 Armistice Agreement relevant? I'm not sure whether it was regarded as a violation or not. Assume yes. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2401 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: He is embarrassed about this incident. | ||
| Ajcham (Ajcham)
New member Username: Ajcham Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2010 |
Can I just verify that I understand where we are at here. This person (can we call him David?) is an Israeli citizen, and previously served in his country's armed forces during the Arab-Israel war of 1949. He is now (in the 1950s) living in a foreign country which is not (officially, at least) hostile towards Israel, and is attending a military academy there. David is embarrassed about his involvement/actions during an incident in the war, and as such won't speak about it in class. The incident is not shameful in general, but is under the circumstances. Is that all right so far? Is David only embarrassed about discussing this in front of his class? Would he discuss it with family? Friends? Other Israelis? Anyone else? How would David's fellow students respond to his involvement in the incident – Anger? Hatred? Distrust? Pity? Mockery/teasing? Is the country in which he is now living important? As stated above, I understand the government of that country is not hostile towards Israel – is it sympathetic? Neutral? Does the government's position reflect the mood of its people? If not are they hostile? Sympathetic? Neutral? Does any of this matter? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2417 Registered: 5-2003 |
Can I just verify that I understand where we are at here. This person (can we call him David?) is an Israeli citizen, and previously served in his country's armed forces during the Arab-Israel war of 1949. He is now (in the 1950s) living in a foreign country which is not (officially, at least) hostile towards Israel, and is attending a military academy there. David is embarrassed about his involvement/actions during an incident in the war, and as such won't speak about it in class. The incident is not shameful in general, but is under the circumstances. Is that all right so far? Yes. Is David only embarrassed about discussing this in front of his class? Yes. Would he discuss it with family? Friends? Other Israelis? Anyone else? Yes to all. How would David's fellow students respond to his involvement in the incident – Anger? Possibly. Hatred? Too strong a term. Distrust? Likely. Pity? No. Mockery/teasing? No. Is the country in which he is now living important? Yes. As stated above, I understand the government of that country is not hostile towards Israel Not at the time, anyway. – is it sympathetic? Neutral? At the time, it was somewhere between sympathetic and neutral. Does the government's position reflect the mood of its people? Irr. If not are they hostile? Sympathetic? Neutral? Does any of this matter? Yes. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1904 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would it help to pinpoint the country David is living in? If so, is it in (LTPF list of continents). Frontier violation relevant? Did David kill /wound anyone? Did he interfere with people (I mean while doing the thing he is ashamed of). If so, were they enemies? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2428 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would it help to pinpoint the country David is living in? Yes. If so, is it in (LTPF list of continents). Europe. Frontier violation relevant? No one's quite certain, but assume yes. Did David kill /wound anyone? Assume yes. Did he interfere with people (I mean while doing the thing he is ashamed of). You could say so. If so, were they enemies? Noish. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2452 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: This puzzle and "Against Regulations" are tangentially related. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1634 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the USS Liberty incident relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2456 Registered: 5-2003 |
No, but you have the right idea. That was in 1967, this incident occurred in 1949. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2469 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: He worried he could get into trouble. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 353 Registered: 2-2009 |
Does he hope to join the military of the country in which he is now living? Is this relevant? Was the country David is in now on the 'side' opposing Israel at the incident in question? Did he worry he would get in trouble based on actions he specifically took (i.e. something he did and no other person at the site of the incident did)? based on actions he took as a part of one of the factions at the incident (e.g. a commander ordered a unit to do X)? solely based on the fact that he was a part of the faction he was part of? because of something else entirely? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2472 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does he hope to join the military of the country in which he is now living? Is this relevant? No to both. Was the country David is in now on the 'side' opposing Israel at the incident in question? Yes. Did he worry he would get in trouble based on actions he specifically took (i.e. something he did and no other person at the site of the incident did)? based on actions he took as a part of one of the factions at the incident (e.g. a commander ordered a unit to do X)? This. solely based on the fact that he was a part of the faction he was part of? because of something else entirely? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1715 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he in the military? The Israely military? Did he order some action to be taken? That lead to people being killed? That shouldn't have been? Did he make a mistake? Did he himself kill someone in the relevant incident? Is it ok to google stuff that happened in that area in '49? Or would that spoil the puzzle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2473 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he in the military? Yes. The Israely military? Yes. Did he order some action to be taken? Yes. That lead to people being killed? Yes. That shouldn't have been? Yes. Did he make a mistake? (No one really knows.} Did he himself kill someone in the relevant incident? Yes. Is it ok to google stuff that happened in that area in '49? I doubt general googling would work, but it might help IF you don't stumble over the solution. Or would that spoil the puzzle? Quite possibly, since it's about a specific, relatively well-known incident. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2499 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: Glancing at recent questions, you're on top of the solution; I'm surprised no one has asked the obvious yet. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 355 Registered: 2-2009 |
Was he the leader of the Israelis at the incident? Did he cause the incident? The country he's in now -- part of the Middle East? Syria? Jordan? Lebanon? Egypt? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2500 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he the leader of the Israelis at the incident? Did he cause the incident? Yes to both. The country he's in now -- part of the Middle East? Syria? Jordan? Lebanon? Egypt? None of the above. As mentioned previously, he's in Europe. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 356 Registered: 2-2009 |
Whoops... went back, saw country and Asia together, and somehow forgot that was about the country he was coming from. Mea culpa. Country he's in = UK? Spain? France? Italy? Greece? Germany? Norway? Sweden? Austria? USSR? none of the above? Is he in hiding now? in order to avoid persecution? prosecution? Does he want the people in his class to avoid knowing: that he is Israeli? that he was at the incident at all? that he was the leader of the faction opposing their country's? that he caused the incident? that he brought about the deaths of citizens of the country he's in now? Did he order an attack that he thought was justified? but was really unprovoked? Did he cause the deaths of innocents (or noncombatants, if that's a better word) at the incident? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2503 Registered: 5-2003 |
Country he's in = UK? This. Spain? France? Italy? Greece? Germany? Norway? Sweden? Austria? USSR? none of the above? Is he in hiding now? No, but... in order to avoid persecution? prosecution? Does he want the people in his class to avoid knowing: that he is Israeli? that he was at the incident at all? This. that he was the leader of the faction opposing their country's? This. that he caused the incident? No one's positive about this. that he brought about the deaths of citizens of the country he's in now? This. Did he order an attack that he thought was justified? Yes. but was really unprovoked? Again, no one's positive. Did he cause the deaths of innocents (or noncombatants, if that's a better word) at the incident? No. Pretty much solved at this point, so... ******************* SPOILER ******************* Ezer Weizman was one of the first leaders of the Israeli Air Force. During the Israeli War of Independence, both the Egyptian and Israeli Air Forces fielded Spitfire fighter planes (surplus British aircraft). The British still maintained bases in Egypt and also flew Spitfires. Shortly after the ceasefire in January 1949, an Israeli flight of Spitfires, led by Weizman, came upon a British flight of Spitfires. No one is sure what happened; The British may (or may not) have been in Israeli airspace, and may (or may not) have been mistaken for Egyptian by the Israelis. At the time, the British were generally anti-Israeli and pro-Arab. Weizman led an attack which shot down several of the British aircraft. Later, during the 1950s, Weizman took courses at the Royal Air Force staff college in England, learning to command his very new air force, alongside Arab and British classmates who were learning the same thing. He and his instructors stepped very carefully around discussions of this particular air battle! |
