| Author | Message | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1741 Registered: 11-2008 |
"We saw them, Father, we really did!" | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1254 Registered: 9-2009 |
We = children? H? C? M? more than: 2, 5, 10, 100, 1000? Father = biological father? Or priest? Or authority figure? Did they see angels? If not, did they think they had? Did Father not believe them? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1742 Registered: 11-2008 |
We = children? No H? Yes C? What do you mean? M? No more than: 2, 5,About this; the exact number is not relevant 10, 100, 1000? Father = biological father? No Or priest? This Or authority figure? Did they see angels? No If not, did they think they had? Yes Did Father not believe them? Irr | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2287 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are they just telling him, or trying to convince him? Could what they saw be classed as a UFO? Is what they actually saw relevant? Relevant: The time of day? Of year? Location? Indoors? Outdoors? Terrain? Identity of those who saw the angels? What jobs they held? Whether they were the priest's parishioners? Which religion we're talking about? Is the priest a Roman Catholic priest? Or could a rabbi or pastor fill in? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1743 Registered: 11-2008 |
Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 11:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are they just telling him, or trying to convince him? Irr, can be both Could what they saw be classed as a UFO? No Is what they actually saw relevant? Yes Relevant: The time of day? Yesish Of year? Yes Location? Indoors? Outdoors? This Terrain? Pls specify Identity of those who saw the angels? Yesish What jobs they held? Yes Whether they were the priest's parishioners? Yes, they were Which religion we're talking about? Is the priest a Roman Catholic priest? This Or could a rabbi or pastor fill in? Don't think so | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2291 Registered: 5-2003 |
Terrain: Forest? Desert? Mountain? Plain/prairie? Swamp? Sea? Shore? Time of year: Winter, Autumn, Spring, Summer? Weather relevant? Time of day: Dark? Light? Twilight? LTPF list of professions for those who saw the angels, please. Was there anything actually there to see? Was there something there and the parishioners misinterpreted it? Was there something that looked like an angel and the parishioners thought it was alive? Fatima relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1745 Registered: 11-2008 |
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 8:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Terrain: Forest? Desert? Mountain? Plain/prairie? Swamp? Sea? Shore? Neither but keep guessing Time of year: Winter, Autumn, Spring, Summer? This Weather relevant? Yes Time of day: Dark? Light? This Twilight? LTPF list of professions for those who saw the angels, please. Agricultors Was there anything actually there to see? Yes Was there something there and the parishioners misinterpreted it? Yes Was there something that looked like an angel and the parishioners thought it was alive? I think you can put it this way, too Fatima relevant? No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2300 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they see something in the sky? Are they shepherds watching their flocks by day? Other folks working in the fields? Harvesting? Weeding? Planting? Weather: Clear? Cloudy? Rainy? Stormy? Snowy? Hot, warm, cold, cool? Hailing? Did they see something tangible? Alive? Was it far away? Close up? Did they misinterpret the distance? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1749 Registered: 11-2008 |
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 5:32 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did they see something in the sky? Yes Are they shepherds watching their flocks by day? No, although it could work for them, too Other folks working in the fields? Yes Harvesting? This but it would work for the other two as well Weeding? Planting? Weather: Clear? This Cloudy? Rainy? Stormy? Snowy? Hot, And this warm, cold, cool? Hailing? Did they see something tangible? Yes Alive? Yes Was it far away? Possibly Close up? Possibly Did they misinterpret the distance? Irr | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2304 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they see something in the sky? Birds? Insects? Bats? A flock of something? Did hot air currents magnify or otherwise affect what they saw? Was what they saw aware of being seen? If the farmers had binoculars, could they easily have resolved the discrepancy on their own? What about a camera? Did they think they were seeing the "good", Christian sort of angel? The evil, avenging kind? The Second Coming? Did they interpret what they saw in a religious manner? Is that why they went to the priest, or was he simply the nearest authority? LTPF list of years and countries? Is this a true story? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1752 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they see something in the sky? Yes Birds? Insects? Bats? But none of these A flock of something? Yes, with svv of flock and svv of something Did hot air currents magnify No or otherwise affect Yes; but let us assume just air what they saw? Was what they saw aware of being seen? Irr If the farmers had binoculars, could they easily have resolved the discrepancy on their own? What about a camera? In this particular case, no Did they think they were seeing the "good", Christian sort of angel? Very likely The evil, avenging kind? Not likely The Second Coming? Not likely Did they interpret what they saw in a religious manner? Yes Is that why they went to the priest Yes, or was he simply the nearest authority? LTPF list of years and countries? Second half of the 20th century, central Europe. Is this a true story? I heard it as a true story | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2314 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they see vehicles? Animals? Plants? Would they have seen this had it been: Cold? Cloudy? Dark? Twilight? A different time of year? Is the altitude of what they saw relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1760 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they see vehicles? Animals? Plants? None of these Would they have seen this had it been: Cold? Cloudy? Dark? Twilight? A different time of year? Very probably No for all Is the altitude of what they saw relevant? Not the exact altitude; however whatever they saw had to be low enough to be visible for them | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1262 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they see an atmospheric phenomenon? Caused by: water? Ice? Pollution? Sunlight? Aurora? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1583 Registered: 7-2009 |
Was there a specific reason they thought that what they were seeing was angels? Did they see what they thought were halos? Wings? White wings? Was what they saw white? did it glow? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1774 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they see an atmospheric phenomenon? Caused by: water? Ice? Pollution? Sunlight? Aurora? Neither Was there a specific reason they thought that what they were seeing was angels? Yes Did they see what they thought were halos? No Wings? Possibly White wings? Possibly Was what they saw white? Partly did it glow? No | ||
| Antesse (Antesse)
New member Username: Antesse Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2008 |
Was the thing they saw clouds? Did they Hear? Smell? Touch? Taste? anything that would make them think what they saw were angels? Were the farmers religious? Did they hear/read anything that would make them think they would see angels? How long between seeing the angel and telling the priest? 1 sec? 1 min? 30 min? 1 hr? 3 hr? 6 hr? 12 hr? 24 hr? 1 week? 2 weeks? 1 month? 6 months? 1 year? 1 decade? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1781 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the thing they saw clouds? No Did they Hear? Smell? Touch? Taste? anything that would make them think what they saw were angels? No Were the farmers religious? Yes Did they hear/read anything that would make them think they would see angels? Nothing different from what you and I will probably have heard or read about angels How long between seeing the angel and telling the priest? 1 sec? 1 min? 30 min? 1 hr? 3 hr? 6 hr? 12 hr? 24 hr? 1 week? 2 weeks? 1 month? 6 months? 1 year? 1 decade I'd say minutes; the exact time is not relevant. Assume they ran from the field directly to the church | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1591 Registered: 7-2009 |
Would they have been able to see what they saw if they had been in a city rather than a field? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1782 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would they have been able to see what they saw if they had been in a city rather than a field? Under the same circumstances, yes (although the houses might have obstructed them the view a bit | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2358 Registered: 5-2003 |
So what they saw was relatively close to the horizon? Is that relevant? Is it a unique phenomenon that they saw? Were they the only ones to see it? Could it have occurred in another country? Another time? Could it have been taken for something else (ie, non-angelic) by a non-Christian? For example, might a Native American have thought it was an eagle? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1787 Registered: 11-2008 |
So what they saw was relatively close to the horizon? Irr Is that relevant? Is it a unique phenomenon that they saw? Under the conditions they saw it, yes; I bet all of us have seen this phenomenon, although not in the same conditions as they did Were they the only ones to see it? Irr Could it have occurred in another country? Yes Another time? Probably not Could it have been taken for something else (ie, non-angelic) by a non-Christian? Definitely For example, might a Native American have thought it was an eagle? Not likely | ||
| Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
Moderator Username: Noobdogg Post Number: 315 Registered: 3-2009 |
Fata Morgana relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1794 Registered: 11-2008 |
Fata Morgana relevant? No | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2388 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it a sundog or other atmospheric effect that they saw? Astronomical? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1802 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was it a sundog or other atmospheric effect that they saw? Astronomical? Neither, sorry | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1343 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was what they saw manmade? Natural? Was it: solid? Liquid? Gas? Aerosol? fire? Aurora? Light? An object? Did it float in the air? Sit on the ground? Fly? Fall from the sky? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1809 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was what they saw manmade? No Natural? Yes Was it: solid? Yes Liquid? No Gas? No Aerosol? No fire? No Aurora? No Light? No An object? Yes Did it float in the air? Possibly Sit on the ground? It finally ended on the ground. Fly? DOYD of flying Fall from the sky? Yes | ||
| Antesse (Antesse)
New member Username: Antesse Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2008 |
Was the natural object falling from the sky made partly of [insert periodic table elements in order followed by question mark]? For the "yes" answers above, which element comprises the largest mass? (Assume I asked whether the 1st yes is largest, 2nd yes largest,....,(n-1)th yes largest, nth largest) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1816 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the natural object falling from the sky made partly of [insert periodic table elements in order followed by question mark]? For the "yes" answers above, which element comprises the largest mass? (Assume I asked whether the 1st yes is largest, 2nd yes largest,....,(n-1)th yes largest, nth largest) Interesting question. OK. There are several objects, each of which has basically two parts. For one of them, it's (from the highest volume down): Oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sulfur, chlorine, sodium, magnesium, iron, cobalt, copper, zinc, iodine, selenium, fluorine. The other part consists of aminoacids - glycine, alanine, serine. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2405 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could the objects be considered waste? Are they bigger than a breadbox? How many are there, and how widely spaced are they? Do they fall at terminal velocity? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1818 Registered: 11-2008 |
Could the objects be considered waste? Definitely not :-)) Are they bigger than a breadbox? Yes How many are there, and how widely spaced are they? Assume three, several tens of metres apart Do they fall at terminal velocity? Beg your pardon? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1391 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they alive? Or were they before? Do things like this usually fall from the sky? Or were they brought there by some unusual means? Like tornado? Or aircraft? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1820 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are they alive? Yes - to be exact, I mean one part of the objects I described Or were they before? Do things like this usually fall from the sky? Not usually, but quite often Or were they brought there by some unusual means? No Like tornado? No Or aircraft? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1393 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they skydivers? Hanging from silk parachutes? (I'm a skydiver, but we use colorful nylon canopies and are probably not mistaken for angels;-) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1822 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are they skydivers? Yes Hanging from silk parachutes? Yes(I'm a skydiver, but we use colorful nylon canopies and are probably not mistaken for angels;-) This is because there (probably) is a substantial difference between you and the skydivers from our puzzle, for you yet to find out ;-)) I have never tried skydiving, and I thought all parachutes were white and made of silk :-)). However, although the puzzle would work somehow better with white parachutes, it would work with parachutes of any colour :-)) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1397 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they jump from a failing aircraft? Was the aircraft also seen? Trailing smoke? Burning? Crashing? Was it a plane? helicopter? Balloon? Are they military? Are they flying in formation? The military still use round parachutes sometimes, but today's sport parachutes look more like this: http://www.skydiveorange.com/touchdwnlg.jpg | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1823 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they jump from a failing aircraft? No Was the aircraft also seen? Irr Trailing smoke? No Burning? No Crashing? No Was it a plane? This helicopter? Balloon? Are they military? No Are they flying in formation? Irr The military still use round parachutes sometimes, but today's sport parachutes look more like this: http://www.skydiveorange.com/touchdwnlg.jpg Thanks for the info - I had no idea what they looked like. They are beautiful :-)) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1401 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they jump for sport? As part of their work? To get away from the plane? Some other good reason? Or a silly reson? Are they smoke jumpers? (people that jump and put out wildfires in remote areas) Did the skydivers do something relevant in the air (except float downwards)? Did they do something relevant after they landed? Did the farmers think they were angels, simply because they descended from the heavens with great "wings"? Did they live in a backwards place where such things were unknown? Did they know about aircraft? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1825 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they jump for sport? Very likely As part of their work? Possibly but less likely To get away from the plane? No as a primary reason Some other good reason? Or a silly reson? Let us assume they jumped just for sport (as you probably do) Are they smoke jumpers? (people that jump and put out wildfires in remote areas) No Did the skydivers do something relevant in the air (except float downwards)? No Did they do something relevant after they landed? No Did the farmers think they were angels, simply because they descended from the heavens with great "wings"? Partly, but there was more to it Did they live in a backwards place where such things were unknown? No Did they know about aircraft? Probably but irr | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1402 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they think they were angels because: where they came down from? Where they landed? Something they saw in addition to the skydivers? If so: something in the air? On the ground? Something they heard? Something they had been told? Were they expecting angels? Was it a day of Christian significance? Was the sun behind the skydivers? (sunset dives are the most beautiful) | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1826 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they think they were angels because: where they came down from? Partly, but there was more to it Where they landed? No Something they saw in addition to the skydivers? Yope If so: something in the air? Yes On the ground? No Something they heard? No Something they had been told? No Were they expecting angels? No Was it a day of Christian significance? Irr Was the sun behind the skydivers? (sunset dives are the most beautiful) Irr | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1407 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they seem something falling down in addition to the skydivers? Connected to the skydivers? Is the clothing of the skydivers relevant? Were they carrying something? did they wear wingsuits? Or did the farmers miss seeing something? If so: the canopies? the skydivers? The lines? Something else? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1827 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did they seem something falling down in addition to the skydivers? No Connected to the skydivers? No Is the clothing of the skydivers relevant? Essential Were they carrying something? No did they wear wingsuits? No Or did the farmers miss seeing something? Yesish If so: the canopies? the skydivers? The lines? Something else? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1410 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the color of the clothing relevant? If so: white? Sky blue? Camouflage green? Black? Red? Something else? Angel costumes? ;-) Did the farmers think that the skydivers themselves were the angels? Or did they perceive the whole thing: person, lines, canopy and all as an angel? Relevant if the skydivers got their canopies draped over themselves when they landed (very annoying when it happens)? Did the farmers see the landing? Relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1829 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the color of the clothing relevant? FA If so: white? Sky blue? Camouflage green? Black? Red? Something else? This Angel costumes? ;-) No Did the farmers think that the skydivers themselves were the angels? Possibly Or did they perceive the whole thing: person, lines, canopy and all as an angel? Possibly Relevant if the skydivers got their canopies draped over themselves when they landed (very annoying when it happens) No ? Did the farmers see the landing? Relevant? Irrelevant | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1411 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did their clothing have several colors? No colors? Was the clothing obscured? Did they jump naked? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1830 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did their clothing have several colors? No colors? Was the clothing obscured? Did they jump naked? This, and here goes the ****************SPOILER******************* A scorching summer day. A group of young skydivers climb into the plane; they are suffocating from the heat, and one of them gets the idea: let's jump naked. His mates think that this would be a great fun; they undress, take their parachutes and jump. In a nearby field, a group of elderly women farmers are harvesting onions. They look up to the sky... and see young curly boys floating in the air in their birthday suits, with something white above them. Confused and scared, they run to their local priest to report they saw angels falling from the sky. Thank you all for participating, and especially to Galfisk for finishing up the puzzle! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1413 Registered: 9-2009 |
Great puzzle and story! Do you know where and when this supposedly happened? Last summer, a guy at my skydiving club jumped in a bikini on a dare. Unfortunately he had to walk past a hot-rod meet ("raggarträff") to get back to the airfield afterwards, but he took it all in good spirit. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 1834 Registered: 11-2008 |
Great puzzle and story! Thanks, I am glad you liked it! Do you know where and when this supposedly happened? Rumor has it that it happened near this airport http://airportlucenec.lcdc.sk/ in the seventies or eighties. However, I did not find any mention of it on their pages. However, it appears it can happen even in Sweden: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCBxhcWaFGI , although this one http://www.thelocal.se/3794/20060512/ , proved to be a hoax :-)) Last summer, a guy at my skydiving club jumped in a bikini on a dare. Unfortunately he had to walk past a hot-rod meet ("raggarträff") to get back to the airfield afterwards, but he took it all in good spirit. It appears that you skydiving guys have a great sense of humour! :-)) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1422 Registered: 9-2009 |
70s - 80s sounds right as far as round canopies go. I must admit I find the idea of jumping naked intriguing ;-) Oh, and a great sense of humor is obligatory. I'll post more in the chat thread, it's better suited for this:-) |
