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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 3:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is based on one of Admin's classic puzzles, with a different system in place.

A man was trying to get into an exclusive club. He knew the doorman had a special code that members used to give the password, and listened in as three members arrived.

The first member stepped up, and was given the challenge, "Four." He responded, "Four," and was allowed in.

The second member stepped up, and was given the challenge, "Five." He responded, "Five," and was allowed in.

The third member stepped up, and was given the challenge, "Six." He responded, "Six," and was allowed in.

The imposter, who was smarter than the man from Admin's original puzzle, stepped up, and was given the challenge, "Seven." He responded, "Three," and was allowed in.

What is the method used to determine the correct response?
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If the first member was given the challenge, "Five", what would his answer have been? (Just establishing whether the order is relevant)

Would the answer to "Eight" have been "Two", and "Nine" - "One"?
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Will the answer to a certain number always be the same?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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If the first member was given the challenge, "Five", what would his answer have been? Five. (Just establishing whether the order is relevant) It isn't.

Would the answer to "Eight" have been "Two", and "Nine" - "One"? No to both.

Will the answer to a certain number always be the same? Yes.
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Did he actually figure the code out by listening to the 3 challenges? Or did he have some additional information that we don't have yet?

What I mean is, by logic, "seven" would have been a possible solution as well, so was there some additional thing that made him so sure it wasn't the correct code, and that some other code was correct?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Did he actually figure the code out by listening to the 3 challenges? Or did he have some additional information that we don't have yet?

What I mean is, by logic, "seven" would have been a possible solution as well, so was there some additional thing that made him so sure it wasn't the correct code, and that some other code was correct?

I guess you're right; I didn't think about that. I probably should've worded it differently... Okay then, yes, something else happened.
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Thanks!

For each challenge, is there only one correct answer?

Is there something about the doorman we have to figure out? Was he wearing a hearing aid by any chance?

Did the impostor notice something about the "way" the first three members answered? Perhaps they took a minute or so to come up with the password, indicating that it required more mental math or logical thinking than a simple "say what I say" code?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Thanks!

For each challenge, is there only one correct answer? Yes.

Is there something about the doorman we have to figure out? No. Was he wearing a hearing aid by any chance? No.

Did the impostor notice something about the "way" the first three members answered? Yes. Perhaps they took a minute or so to come up with the password, indicating that it required more mental math or logical thinking than a simple "say what I say" code? Yes. It would only have taken a few seconds in this case, though it is possible for it to take longer.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Did they look around before answering? Look at a specific place? Or object? Did they appear to be counting something? Or figuring out the answer in their heads?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Did they look around before answering? Look at a specific place? Or object? Did they appear to be counting something? Or figuring out the answer in their heads? This is all you need, though it might help to look at an object.
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This one has kept me busy, and I'm struggling to think of situations where this logic would work! Whatever it is, it's good!

Are we allowed to hear solutions to more challenges?

If so, are the challenges only numeric or could they be words too? If they are only numeric, would they only be till the number 10? 100? 1000? more?

Actually, I considered representing the challenges as morse code to see if it worked. 5 has 5 dots, and 7 has 3 dots, but 4 and 6 flummoxed me :-(

Another thought was something like a chessboard as the object, but I can't seem to imagine situations like this.

Would it help to identify the object?

Jen, your puzzles never fail to intrigue me!
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Is "seven" the response to "eight" ?
and "six" the response to "nine" ?
Noobdogg (Noobdogg)
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Aargh Docd you genius, I see where you're going with this! Can't believe I missed that!!

Nice puzzle, Jen!
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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This one has kept me busy, and I'm struggling to think of situations where this logic would work! Whatever it is, it's good! \b(It drove me mad when I first heard it. I worked out the pattern, but couldn't figure out where it came from.}

Are we allowed to hear solutions to more challenges? Yes.

If so, are the challenges only numeric Yes. or could they be words too? Though this is possible. If they are only numeric, would they only be till the number 10? 100? 1000? more? As high as you like.

Actually, I considered representing the challenges as morse code to see if it worked. 5 has 5 dots, and 7 has 3 dots, but 4 and 6 flummoxed me :-( Nope.

Another thought was something like a chessboard as the object, but I can't seem to imagine situations like this. Also nope.

Would it help to identify the object? Yes.

Jen, your puzzles never fail to intrigue me! Thank you.

Is "seven" the response to "eight" ?
and "six" the response to "nine" ? Yes to both.
Dezza4444 (Dezza4444)
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Posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

could it be the number of lines needed to make a number on an alarm clock or oven or microwave etc...
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Sunday, March 07, 2010 - 11:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

could it be the number of lines needed to make a number on an alarm clock or oven or microwave etc... You got it.

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