| Author | Message | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4462 Registered: 12-2000 |
Thanks to their poverty they are now rich | ||
| Treecleaver (Treecleaver)
New member Username: Treecleaver Post Number: 5 Registered: 3-2010 |
They and Their refering to same? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4463 Registered: 12-2000 |
They and Their refering to same? yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1553 Registered: 9-2009 |
They=a group of humans? Material poverty? Material wealth? Are they famous? True story? Relevant when this happened? If so, did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4464 Registered: 12-2000 |
They=a group of humans? yes Material poverty? yes Material wealth? yes Are they famous? yessish True story? yes Relevant when this happened? yes If so, did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 15th - 21st century | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1558 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are "they" an organization? A secret society? A family? Religion involved? Nobility? Were they poor in the 15th century, and are rich now? Are they also powerful? Are they more than: 5? 10? 100? 1000? 10000? 100000? Are they all adult? All male? Relevant where they are? Or are they all over the world? did they get rich from: Saving money? Trade? Mining? Oil? War? Aid? Gambling? Drugs? Organized crime? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4465 Registered: 12-2000 |
Are "they" an organization? not as such A secret society? no A family? no Religion involved? no Nobility? no Were they poor in the 15th century, yope and are rich now? yes Are they also powerful? no Are they more than: 5? 10? 100? 1000? 10000? 100000? this one Are they all adult? no All male? no Relevant where they are? yes Or are they all over the world? no did they get rich from: Saving money? Trade? Mining? Oil? War? Aid? Gambling? Drugs? Organized crime? none of these | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1561 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they a country? Did they get rich in an unusual fashion? did they get rich gradually? Or suddenly? Are they in [LTPF list of continents]? Did they produce the riches? Find them? Receive them from someone else? Steal them? Win them? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4466 Registered: 12-2000 |
Are they a country? no Did they get rich in an unusual fashion? no did they get rich gradually? yes Or suddenly? no Are they in [LTPF list of continents]? Europe Did they produce the riches? no Find them? no Receive them from someone else? yes with a big ish Steal them? no Win them? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1570 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they receive the riches in the form of: money? Goods? Did they work for their riches? Did "someone else" consider it to be riches? Or was it waste to them? Relevant who they received the riches from? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4467 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did they receive the riches in the form of: money? yes Goods? no Did they work for their riches? yes but this could lead to a FA Did "someone else" consider it to be riches? yes, this too Or was it waste to them? no Relevant who they received the riches from? yes | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4468 Registered: 12-2000 |
looking back I wonder whether saying no to getting their riches from Trade could be misleading. Trading is 'yessish but could lead to a FA'. HTH! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1593 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they not do the trading themselves? But they worked in the trade sector? Do they all have a specific profession? Were the riches given voluntarily? Were they given as salary? Bribes? Customs? Taxes? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4469 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did they not do the trading themselves? yes they did But they worked in the trade sector? that needs defining - but yes, something has been traded in exchange for money Do they all have a specific profession? no, not all Were the riches given voluntarily? yes Were they given as salary? not in the sense of employer/employee Bribes? no Customs? no Taxes? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1607 Registered: 9-2009 |
did they sell: products? Services? Entertainment? Could it be said that they went into business? Do most of them have a relevant profession? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4470 Registered: 12-2000 |
did they sell: products? Services? Entertainment? all of these with a yope to your wording in your question Could it be said that they went into business? yes Do most of them have a relevant profession? some do but not all | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1615 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the word "sell" not accurate? Do they take donations? Are they nomadic? Did they recieve riches from: rich people? Middle class people? A comrporation? Other organization? Military? Are they respected? Relevant on which continent they are? If so, are they on [LTPF list of continents]? Did their poverty drive them to do something that ultimately turned out to be very profitable? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4471 Registered: 12-2000 |
I realise that some answers are not easy to give and I hope they don't appear contradictory, but when you establish who 'they' are, things will hopefully become clearer. There are still one or two FAs Is the word "sell" not accurate? selling is partially correct but could lead to FAs Do they take donations? no Are they nomadic? no Did they recieve riches from: rich people? Middle class people? both A comrporation? no Other organization? no Military? no, although they were instrumental in them becoming rich, but that's a side issue so don't go there! Are they respected? yes Relevant on which continent they are?Europe (already established btw)If so, are they on [LTPF list of continents]? Did their poverty drive them to do something that ultimately turned out to be very profitable? difficult to answer but I'll say yes | ||
| Lordofthegeeks1000 (Lordofthegeeks1000)
New member Username: Lordofthegeeks1000 Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2010 |
Are there more than 100000 of them now or throughout the time they have existed? Did they have something in the 15th century that would be extremely valuable now? Are they well-known in... Europe? The US? Throughout the world? Are they in one country, or spread out over several different countries? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4472 Registered: 12-2000 |
Are there more than 100000 of them now or throughout the time they have existed? that is the current figure, the total number of them over the ages will be considerably more Did they have something in the 15th century that would be extremely valuable now? yes Are they well-known in... Europe? fairly well known The US? to a lesser degree Throughout the world? ditto Are they in one country, yes or spread out over several different countries? definitely not | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1638 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is what they have a natural resorce? A coveted piece of land? They're in an European country, correct? Do they control a vital trade route? A canal? Are they all over the relevant country? Or just in part of it? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4473 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is what they have a natural resorce? only in its original state A coveted piece of land? not particularly They're in an European country, correct? yes Do they control a vital trade route? no A canal? there are canals but that's incidental Are they all over the relevant country? no Or just in part of it? yes - explore | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1643 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they in a city? Did they get rich from doing something with the natural resource? Making stuff? Refining it? Is the resource: mineral? Plant? Animal? Water? Wind? Other form of energy? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4478 Registered: 12-2000 |
Are they in a city? not quite as big as a city Did they get rich from doing something with the natural resource? yes Making stuff?yes Refining it? Is the resource: mineral?mostly this Plant? Animal? Water? a bit of this Wind? Other form of energy? huge FA still here | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2562 Registered: 1-2007 |
Could they be described as a tribe? Do they share a common ability? skill? specific knowledge? Anything biological about them that is relevant? Does their creed or traditions have any relevance? Relevant what race they are? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4479 Registered: 12-2000 |
Could they be described as a tribe? not at all Do they share a common ability? no skill? not now, although there were some people who are relevant who did specific knowledge? in one area, yes Anything biological about them that is relevant? no Does their creed or traditions have any relevance? traditions maybe Relevant what race they are? only in that it will ultimately identify them | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1672 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the resource clay? Did they make: bricks? Ceramics? Buildings? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4480 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is the resource clay? Did they make: bricks? Ceramics? Buildings? this one | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1674 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they sell the buildings? Rent them? Are they famous builders? were they paid to make the buildings? Did they make buildings from clay because they were poor? did they make the buildings for themselves? For others? Are the buildings residences? Halls of commerce? Religious buildings? Fortifications? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4481 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did they sell the buildings? no Rent them? some were rented, some probably owned outright Are they famous builders? they are now, although few will know their names were they paid to make the buildings? yes Did they make buildings from clay because they were poor? sorry, I didn't answer yes or no to clay - they are generally stone and brick and the usual masonry did they make the buildings for themselves? yes For others? no Are the buildings residences? some are Halls of commerce? some are Religious buildings? some are Fortifications? not that I remember, and not castles or the like - I don't think | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1680 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they masons? Architects? Did they build a town? A harbor? Did they go to live in a particular place because of their poverty? Is the place now famous because of them? Are they in Italy? The Netherlands? If not: in north Europe? South? East? West? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4482 Registered: 12-2000 |
Are they masons? yes, some of them Architects? some of them Did they build a town? yes A harbor? no Did they go to live in a particular place because of their poverty? no Is the place now famous because of them? yes, but hardly anyone now knows who 'they' are, by name Are they in Italy? The Netherlands? no to both If not: in north Europe? this one South? East? West? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1686 Registered: 9-2009 |
did they get rich from building the town? Or from something they did in the town? Is the natural resource in question stone and brick and masonry? Clay is not invovled at all, right? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4483 Registered: 12-2000 |
did they get rich from building the town? yes Or from something they did in the town? no Is the natural resource in question stone and brick and masonry? regular building materials Clay is not invovled at all, right? not really - there may be some but it's not a principal building material | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1695 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did they build the town because they were poor? Or is the link between the town and the poverty not a direct one? Are they in Scandinavia? Baltics? UK? Ireland? Iceland? Is the town (part of) a capital now? Has it ever been? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4484 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did they build the town because they were poor? no Or is the link between the town and the poverty not a direct one? it's direct Are they in Scandinavia? Baltics? UK? Ireland? Iceland? none of these Is the town (part of) a capital now? no Has it ever been? no | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2567 Registered: 1-2007 |
Can I reactivate this puzzle by very cheekily asking ...Do they come from "Insert LTPF list of european countries" ? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4485 Registered: 12-2000 |
Can I reactivate this puzzle by very cheekily asking ...Do they come from "Insert LTPF list of european countries" ? you may indeed - Belgium | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1725 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a coastal town? It they weren't poor, would they not have built the town at all? Or would they not have built it in that place? Is the location of the town important? Is it the town itself that is valuable? Because of its location? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4486 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is it a coastal town? no It they weren't poor, would they not have built the town at all? FA - they needed money like anybody else to build their buildings Or would they not have built it in that place? irr Is the location of the town important? yes Is it the town itself that is valuable? yes Because of its location? indirectly | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4487 Registered: 12-2000 |
Tin foil hat alert I see an advertisement for knitting supplies. Didn't think that was odd until I realised it's on THE WRONG FORUM! I've not mentioned knitting here. Google is watching me. Camping out in the bunker..... | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4488 Registered: 12-2000 |
Sitting knitting in the bunker is getting a bit boring so I'm giving a kickstart to reactivate this puzzle. The town is Bruges in Belgium. Why did the poverty of Bruges lead ultimately its wealth? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1786 Registered: 9-2009 |
So could it be said that because the town of Bruges was poor, it is now rich? Did it attract poor people? Or other relevant people? Was it a source of cheap labor? Cheap goods? Or something else particularly inexpensive? Taxes relevant? Tourism? Trade routes? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4490 Registered: 12-2000 |
So could it be said that because the town of Bruges was poor, it is now rich? yes Did it attract poor people? no Or other relevant people? no Was it a source of cheap labor? possibly but not relevant to the puzzle Cheap goods? ditto Or something else particularly inexpensive? no Taxes relevant? no Tourism? this is most relevant Trade routes? no | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2010 |
Was a film made about Bruges that boosted tourism (In Bruges, perhaps?) | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4491 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was a film made about Bruges that boosted tourism (In Bruges, perhaps?) no | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 484 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the town, because of its poverty, built in such a unique way as to make it a tourist attraction at present? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4492 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was the town, because of its poverty, built in such a unique way as to make it a tourist attraction at present? no, but you're on the right track. Explore. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1836 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the town built in a unique way? Did it get rich from tourism? Did tourists come to look at the way poor people lived? Or to give to the poor? Christianity relevant? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4493 Registered: 12-2000 |
Was the town built in a unique way? no Did it get rich from tourism? yes Did tourists come to look at the way poor people lived? not at all Or to give to the poor? no Christianity relevant? apart from a few attractive churches there, no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1838 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did tourists come to see the town? The inhabitants? The traditions? A specific building? Or other structure? The most/least [superlative] town in the country/europe/the world? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4494 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did tourists come to see the town? they do indeed The inhabitants? no The traditions? in a sense A specific building? noOr other structure? no The most/least [superlative] town in the country/europe/the world? one of the most (superlative) towns in Europe, or indeed the world | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1845 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did their poverty affect the building technique? Or use of building material? Did they make: low ceilings? Narrow streets? No streets at all? Is it one of the most cramped towns in the world? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4495 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did their poverty affect the building technique? not at all FA Or use of building material? Did they make: low ceilings? Narrow streets? No streets at all? Is it one of the most cramped towns in the world? no to all | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2638 Registered: 1-2007 |
I'm stumped Is Bruges Lace relevant at all ?(hoping it is given your interest in handcrafts) Does Bruges have some uniqueness in it's architecture? design? prescence of certain types of building? Are many tourists aware of this? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4496 Registered: 12-2000 |
Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 3:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I'm stumped once you can get over the FA it's a real forehead slapper Is Bruges Lace relevant at all ?(hoping it is given your interest in handcrafts) it's an attraction, certainly, but not too relevant here Does Bruges have some uniqueness in it's architecture? yessish design? ditto prescence of certain types of building? ditto Are many tourists aware of this? they can't avoid it, but may not realise the connection with poverty | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 763 Registered: 6-2008 |
I'm guessing the FA is because the poverty occurred after the town had already been built? In that case, was the construction of some of the buildings altered when the town became poor? were some buildings torn down? Was there a relevant change to the demographics? the roads? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4497 Registered: 12-2000 |
I'm guessing the FA is because the poverty occurred after the town had already been built? YES In that case, was the construction of some of the buildings altered when the town became poor? no were some buildings torn down? no Was there a relevant change to the demographics? the roads? no to both | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1903 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the upkeep on the buildings suffer? Did they do repairs with other materials that they would have otherwise? Or were the buildings never torn down and replaced with newer ones, so the town still looks like it did hundreds of years ago? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4498 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did the upkeep on the buildings suffer? noDid they do repairs with other materials that they would have otherwise? not that I'm aware of Or were the buildings never torn down and replaced with newer ones, so the town still looks like it did hundreds of years ago? ding ding ding - we have a winner! ************ SPOILER ********** In a nutshell, Bruges was not on the trade routes that other towns nearby were and they suffered badly financially after a rich start. (Something to do with the canals). As a result they didn't knock down and rebuild perfectly adequate buildings and replace them with something more modern. Consequently, we have a beautiful historical town that is now reaping the benefits of tourism. Other towns of its size are 'much of a muchness' and don't have the appeal that Bruges has Well done, and thank you for sticking with it! |
