| Author | Message | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2006 Registered: 11-2008 |
When she married him, she was young and happy. However, what he did to her was so atrocious that you won't dream about it in your worst nightmares. What was it? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 452 Registered: 9-2008 |
Do all of the "she's" and "her" refer to one person? HAF? Does the "him" and "he" refer to the same person? HAM? Is this from a true story? Was this atrocious "thing" something that was done to her physically? mentally? or emotionally? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2007 Registered: 11-2008 |
Do all of the "she's" and "her" refer to one person? HAF? Yes to all Does the "him" and "he" refer to the same person? HAM? Yes to all Is this from a true story? Yes Was this atrocious "thing" something that was done to her physically? Technically, this mentally? or emotionally? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1642 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did it make her unhappy? Injured? Sick? Dead? Did he inflict pain? Disfigurement? Could he have done it without being married to her? Is it important which century this happened? Or decade? Did he do it out of: hate? Love? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2008 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did it make her unhappy? No Injured? No Sick? No Dead? No Did he inflict pain? No Disfigurement? No Could he have done it without being married to her? Yesish Is it important which century this happened? Yesish Or decade? No Did he do it out of: hate? Love? Neither | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1675 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did he actually do it to her? Or to a representation of her? If so, a photo? a sculpture? a painting? a written representation (e.g. in a book)? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2009 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he actually do it to her? Yesish Or to a representation of her? If so, a photo? a sculpture? a painting? a written representation (e.g. in a book)? No to rest | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1678 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did what he did to her involve food? water? sex? some other basic human physical need? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2010 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did what he did to her involve food? water? sex? some other basic human physical need? No to all | ||
| Lacerta (Lacerta)
New member Username: Lacerta Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2010 |
Was she still happy after what he did? Still young? Was she aware of what he was doing? Was she even alive at the time when he did it? Did he do it deliberately? Accidentally? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2011 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was she still happy after what he did? No Still young? Yope Was she aware of what he was doing? No Was she even alive at the time when he did it? No Did he do it deliberately? Yes Accidentally? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1648 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he do something to her corpse? To her memory? Did she die young? Relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2016 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he do something to her corpse? Yes To her memory? Did she die young? Yes Relevant? Yesish | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1656 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he: keep the corpse? Stuff and mount it? Sleep with it? Display it? Keep some part of it? Such as the head? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2020 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he: keep the corpse? YesStuff and mount it? Yesish Sleep with it?No Display it? Yes some part of it? Such as the head? No, he displayed it entire | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1660 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he take money for displaying it? Did he go on tour with it? Was she exceptionally beautiful? was there something else special about her? was she famous: before her death? After? Was he famous? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2023 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he take money for displaying it? Yes Did he go on tour with it? Yes Was she exceptionally beautiful? No was there something else special about her? Yes was she famous: before her death? Yes After? Yes Was he famous? Not sure - possibly but definitely less than her | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1662 Registered: 9-2009 |
Oh, I've heard of this one:-) I won't $poil. | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2025 Registered: 11-2008 |
Ok, thanks. If you want send me a mail to verify. | ||
| Entity (Entity)
New member Username: Entity Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he disgrace her corpse? humiliate her image? Did he directly do atrocious things to her corpse or did he do something to allow atrocious things to be done to the corpse? Could he have done it to her when she was alive? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2034 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did he disgrace her corpse? Yes, with svv (sufficiently vague values) of "disgrace" humiliate her image? Yesish Did he directly do atrocious things to her corpse Yesish or did he do something to allow atrocious things to be done to the corpse? Yesish Could he have done it to her when she was alive? No | ||
| Bellstrom (Bellstrom)
New member Username: Bellstrom Post Number: 15 Registered: 3-2010 |
Did this happen recently? Did he do something ironic to the corpse (i.e. A devout Catholic that was stuffed is dressed up as Satan)? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2038 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did this happen recently? No Did he do something ironic to the corpse (i.e. A devout Catholic that was stuffed is dressed up as Satan)? Not in this sense | ||
| Deathateaster (Deathateaster)
New member Username: Deathateaster Post Number: 253 Registered: 5-2007 |
Would it only be atrocious if it happened when you were still alive? Did doing this affect anyone else? Parents? If so, was this effect positive? Negative? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2041 Registered: 11-2008 |
Would it only be atrocious if it happened when you were still alive? We have already established it couldn't be done when she was alive. To avoid speculations and to make it clear, he did not physically do anything more to her corpse than we have established above. The atrocious aspect consisted in something else yet to be revealed. Did doing this affect anyone else? Yesish Parents? No If so, was this effect positive? Definitely not Negative? Yope | ||
| Entity (Entity)
New member Username: Entity Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any organizations relevent? (eg Body Works) Did he go on tour with just his wife and himself? Did she have any embarrassing diseases? mutations? Was she displayed in an embarrassing way? Did he find it atrocious? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2050 Registered: 11-2008 |
Are any organizations relevent? (eg Body Works) No Did he go on tour with just his wife and himself? No Did she have any embarrassing diseases? mutations? This Was she displayed in an embarrassing way? Noish Did he find it atrocious? No | ||
| Shephard (Shephard)
New member Username: Shephard Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she have the mutation from birth? As a child, an adult? Did it happen right before, during, after her death? Was it the reason for her death? Was it a side-effect of a sickness? Did the sickness cause her death? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2055 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did she have the mutation from birth? Yes As a child, an adult? Yes to both Did it happen right before, during, after her death? No Was it the reason for her death? No Was it a side-effect of a sickness? Yes Did the sickness cause her death? No | ||
| Shephard (Shephard)
New member Username: Shephard Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the sickness hereditary? did her mother, or other relative have the same sickness? Did the sickness do something to her skin? Or make her miss a bodypart? simular? or something added, like a hump? or maybe something on her body was altered in some way? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2058 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the sickness hereditary? Yes did her mother, or other relative have the same sickness? Irrelevant Did the sickness do something to her skin? Yes Or make her miss a bodypart? No simular? or something added, like a hump? Yes or maybe something on her body was altered in some way? Yes | ||
| Shephard (Shephard)
New member Username: Shephard Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the mutation get worse with time or the same since birth? Is the puzzle solved or are we looking for the name of the disease? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2060 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the mutation get worse with time or the same since birth? Probably the same Is the puzzle solved or are we looking for the name of the disease? The exact name is not necessary. There is one detail relating to her death you have not revealed. But if you can post a brief summary of what happened, I would spoyle all the same. | ||
| Shephard (Shephard)
New member Username: Shephard Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was a person responsible for her death? Him? Her? Other? Accident? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2067 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was a person responsible for her death? This-ish Him? No Her? No Other? Accident? Thisish | ||
| Shephard (Shephard)
New member Username: Shephard Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did a person accidentely cause her death? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2070 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did a person accidentely cause her death? Yesish | ||
| Shephard (Shephard)
New member Username: Shephard Post Number: 48 Registered: 4-2010 |
did she use medication? relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2073 Registered: 11-2008 |
did she use medication? Probably not relevant? Irrelevant | ||
| Shephard (Shephard)
New member Username: Shephard Post Number: 53 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was there a specifik incident that caused her death? Did she die immediately? Did she know the person who killed her? | ||
| Viniter (Viniter)
New member Username: Viniter Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did people he was showing her to, find it atrocious? Did they even recognize that she was actually a human being? Did the mutation caused her to look like a kind of animal? Or a mythical creature, e.g. bigfoot? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2087 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was there a specifik incident that caused her death? Yes Did she die immediately? No Did she know the person who killed her? Yope Did people he was showing her to, find it atrocious? Depends on their nature; I think that if they knew the whole story, at least some of them would. Did they even recognize that she was actually a human being? Yope Did the mutation caused her to look like a kind of animal? Yes Or a mythical creature, e.g. bigfoot? No but you are on the right track | ||
| Viniter (Viniter)
New member Username: Viniter Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did people he was showing her to, find it atrocious? Did they even recognize that she was actually a human being? Did the mutation caused her to look like a kind of animal? Or a mythical creature, e.g. bigfoot? | ||
| Viniter (Viniter)
New member Username: Viniter Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the mutation caused her to grow a hair on her whole body? Is the way she died relevant? Was he glad that she died? Did he somehow caused "the accident"? Did he done to her something even more atrocious than presenting her corpse as an odd animal? Or is that it? Or do we need to find out how she died? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2094 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did the mutation caused her to grow a hair on her whole body? Yes! Is the way she died relevant? Yesish Was he glad that she died? No Did he somehow caused "the accident"? Yesish, with sufficiently vague values of "caused" Did he done to her something even more atrocious than presenting her corpse as an odd animal? No Or is that it? Basically, yes Or do we need to find out how she died? It is a macabrously interesting piece of information, which makes his deeds even more repugnant. However, I think the key part has been revealed; you can either keep guessing a little bit more about the way she died, or post a short summary of the story without this detail. I will spoyle when you guess the detail or post the summary, whichever is earlier. | ||
| Viniter (Viniter)
New member Username: Viniter Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2010 |
Well then, let's try to guess it. :-) Was someone else present when the accident happened? Someone relevant? Was she accidentally killed by someone who was thinking that she's an animal? If yes, was she killed by a gun? melee weapon? some kind of tool, e.g. pitchfork? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she think she was a werewolf? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2098 Registered: 11-2008 |
Well then, let's try to guess it. :-) Glad to hear that :-)) Was someone else present when the accident happened? Yes Someone relevant? Very much so. Was she accidentally killed by someone who was thinking that she's an animal? No If yes, was she killed by a gun? melee weapon? some kind of tool, e.g. pitchfork? Did she think she was a werewolf? No | ||
| Viniter (Viniter)
New member Username: Viniter Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was "he" the one present? It think we haven't asked about this so far - "he" is her husband and "he" is the one who was showing her corpse, right? Was he somehow responsible for her accident? Was her mutation somehow responsible for the accident? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2101 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was "he" the one present? No It think we haven't asked about this so far - "he" is her husband and "he" is the one who was showing her corpse, right? Right - both "he's" are one and the same person. Was he somehow responsible for her accident? In quite a lateral way, yes Was her mutation somehow responsible for the accident? Probably not | ||
| Viniter (Viniter)
New member Username: Viniter Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2010 |
I'll use one of those practical lists you're using around here. :-) Did she died of: impact? electric shock? the other kind of shock? laceration? suffocation or asphyxiation? burning? freezing? heart attack? allergies? drowning? explosion? radiation? poison? a psionic death ray? (very imaginative :D) laughing to death? (I really doubt about this one, but you never know) other? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2105 Registered: 11-2008 |
I'll use one of those practical lists you're using around here. :-) Did she died of: impact? electric shock? the other kind of shock? laceration? This is possible... suffocation or asphyxiation? burning? freezing? heart attack? allergies? drowning? explosion? radiation? poison? a psionic death ray? (very imaginative :D) laughing to death? (I really doubt about this one, but you never know) other? ...as well as this | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2540 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the damage that killed her characterized by piercing, crushing or slashing? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2112 Registered: 11-2008 |
Was the damage that killed her characterized by piercing, crushing or slashing? Very probably neither, yet bleeding was definitely involved. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2575 Registered: 5-2003 |
Internal injuries? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2123 Registered: 11-2008 |
Internal injuries? Very likely | ||
| Viniter (Viniter)
New member Username: Viniter Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2010 |
Alright, so she died by an accident unintentionally caused by another person, right? And this person was the one present when she died? Was there more people present? Or more people responsible for her death? It was rather unusual death, wasn't it? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2146 Registered: 11-2008 |
Alright, so she died by an accident unintentionally caused by another person, right? Yes And this person was the one present when she died? Yes Was there more people present? Very likely Or more people responsible for her death? No It was rather unusual death, wasn't it? On the contrary, very usual | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did she die of a disease unrelated to her...wolfishness? Did she die as a result of medical treatment? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2235 Registered: 11-2008 |
Did she die of a disease no unrelated to her...wolfishness? but the cause of her death was not related to her... as you say, at least not directly Did she die as a result of medical treatment? Probably not. And, by the way, welcome to the forum! | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2010 |
Internal bleeding? Or external? Did the source of "laceration-ish internal injury" come from a tangible solid object? Multiple objects? Living animal or organisms? Liquid? Gas? Air pressure? Did her husband think he was helping her when he indirectly caused her death? | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2010 |
oh, and thanks for the welcome! | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2238 Registered: 11-2008 |
Internal bleeding? Very likely Or external? Did the source of "laceration-ish internal injury" come from a tangible solid object? Yes Multiple objects? Living animal or organisms? This, but do not seek for anything extraordinary Liquid? Gas? Air pressure? No to rest; I must confess you are very graphic. Did her husband think he was helping her when he indirectly caused her death? no and a posssible FA lurking oh, and thanks for the welcome! you are welcome, hope you will like it here. It's sort of addictive :-)) | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2010 |
"I must confess you are very graphic." Hey, I'm not the one who posted the puzzle. ;) Did she swallow something? Choke on something? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2240 Registered: 11-2008 |
"I must confess you are very graphic." Hey, I'm not the one who posted the puzzle. ;) Yep, there is something about this... Did she swallow something? Choke on something? No to both | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 9 Registered: 5-2010 |
Tangible object = living animal/organism? Person? Animal? Plant? Part of her own body? Is her death common by today's standards? More so by her era's standards? Time period: 1800's? 1700's? (Insert list of centuries) Is the third party's occupation relevant? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2244 Registered: 11-2008 |
Tangible object = living animal/organism? Person? This Animal? Plant? Part of her own body? Is her death common by today's standards? No More so by her era's standards? Very much so Time period: 1800's? This 1700's? (Insert list of centuries) Is the third party's occupation relevant? You mean the person who immediately caused her death? There is a FA lurking. | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2010 |
Died in childbirth? | ||
| Alhucema (Alhucema)
New member Username: Alhucema Post Number: 2246 Registered: 11-2008 |
Died in childbirth? Yes! And here goes the ***********SPOILER************** The woman in our puzzle was Julia Pastrana (1834-1860). She suffered from an illness called hypertrichosis – her whole body was covered with straight black hair - had jutting jaw and swollen gums. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Pastrana However, apart from that, she also possessed a shapely figure, a harmonious voice, spoke three languages, could sew and cook, and was eager to learn new things. She never complained of her situation, she even seemed to be quite happy with it. She was exhibited as "the marvelous hybrid or bear woman" or "a hybrid between human and orangutan", or even "The Nondescript". During her performances, she sang and danced. She was showed by a man named Theodore Lent, who finally married her. While she was in deep love with him, he was only using her to earn money and was not kind to her. At the age of 25, she became pregnant. The doctors feared difficulties at childbirth as Julia was frail and had too narrow hips. On 20 March 1860, she gave birth to a baby boy. He was covered with hair as well as his mother, and lived only thirty-five hours. Julia died five days later of post-birth complications. Her husband, however, wanted to make profit even after their death. He sold the corpses of his wife and his newborn son to Professor Sukolov of Moscow University. The Professor embalmed the bodies (with extremely lifelike results) and placed them in an anatomical museum. When Theodore Lent heard of the profit his wife and child were earning after their death, he sued Professor Sukolov and forced him to release the corpses. He then went on a tour showing his dead wife dressed in her dancing costume and their baby in a sailor suit. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1SO0hIyxfzs/RjoqSbicYWI/AAAAAAAAA4k/5hxdFPelztA/s400/Julia.jpg After many peripeties, he died in a lunatic asylum. Julia Pastrana’s remains and those of her sons continued touring the world until 1973, then they were placed in storage. In 1976, the baby’s mummy was destroyed by vandals, and in 1979, Julia was stolen. She was re-discovered in 1990, and now rests in peace in a sealed coffin at the Department of Anatomy at The Oslo University. For more information, there is an interesting article: http://thehumanmarvels.com/?p=33 Thank you all for playing, and It_so_happened for extreme patience in finding the final detail :-)) | ||
| It_so_happened (It_so_happened)
New member Username: It_so_happened Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2010 |
Very interesting (and bizarre)! I had not heard this story before. I knew there had to be some simple explanation for her death, it just took me a while to put together the pieces. |
