| Author | Message | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 744 Registered: 6-2008 |
I never would have thought that would work, but it let us have some fun. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2593 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were you (and others) gambling? Unintentionally? Were you trying something unusual? Did it work? Did you enjoy the results? Were you in a casino? Were all of you H/A/M? How many of you were there? Was anyone else involved? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 745 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were you (and others) gambling? Not literally Unintentionally? For svv of "gambling" Were you trying something unusual? Yes Did it work? Yes Did you enjoy the results? Yes Were you in a casino? No Were all of you H/A/M? Yes How many of you were there? Two Was anyone else involved? Depending on your definition of "involved", there may have been one other person involved. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 2605 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were you 18/21/of age to gamble? Was a game involved? That is not normally considered gambling? Did you win? Was subterfuge involved? Cheating? Location relevant? | ||
| Fleemco198 (Fleemco198)
New member Username: Fleemco198 Post Number: 467 Registered: 9-2009 |
so.... gambling as in taking a risk? putting something 'on the line'? some form of chance? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 746 Registered: 6-2008 |
Jenburdoo: Were you 18/21/of age to gamble? Yes but irrel. Was a game involved? Yope That is not normally considered gambling? Yes Did you win? Yes, to the extent it was a "game". I succeeded, though. Was subterfuge involved? No Cheating? Hmm. I'll give that a yope. It will become clear when you find out in what sense this is (and isn't) a game Location relevant? Noish Note, the "I" in this puzzle is not myself. I have answered all "you" questions in terms of the person in the puzzle Fleemco198: so.... gambling as in taking a risk? No, although some degree of risk was taken--not really in the "gambling", but in the "having fun" that followed putting something 'on the line'? No, see above some form of chance? Yes | ||
| Vadron (Vadron)
New member Username: Vadron Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2010 |
Did this really happen? Did it happen in a work of fiction? Or is it FYOI? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 751 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did this really happen? Yes, the "I" is my dad. Not that this is supposed to be a hint. Did it happen in a work of fiction? Or is it FYOI? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1829 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you trying something that you didn't expect to work? In the off-chance that it really would work? As a joke? Were heights invovled? Vehicle(s)? Rope(s)? Tree(s)? Water? Electricity? Animal(s)? Fire? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 759 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were you trying something that you didn't expect to work? Yesish, but beware FA In the off-chance that it really would work? No, and I sense the FA again As a joke? No, though again the "having fun" aspect had somewhat of a prank character Were heights invovled? No Vehicle(s)? YES, no to rest Rope(s)? Tree(s)? Water? Electricity? Animal(s)? Fire? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1847 Registered: 9-2009 |
Vehicle: motor vehicle? Car? Bicycle? Go kart? Bumper car? More than one vehicle? Were you driving? On a public road? Off road? On snow? Indoors? Is the weather relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 760 Registered: 6-2008 |
Vehicle: motor vehicle? This Car? And this Bicycle? Go kart? Bumper car? More than one vehicle? I don't really know what this question is asking. The "gambling" directly involved only one vehicle, but the entire scenario involved more Were you driving? Hmmm. When? On a public road? All took place here Off road? On snow? Indoors? Is the weather relevant? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 1901 Registered: 9-2009 |
So it can be said that all this was done while riding a car down a public road? Were you going somewhere, and found a way to have fun during the trip? can it ba said that you did it: with the car? In the car? From the car? Did you fly a kite from the car? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 768 Registered: 6-2008 |
So it can be said that all this was done while riding a car down a public road? <b>No<b> Were you going somewhere, and found a way to have fun during the trip? The fun was had during a trip, for svv of "trip", though not the gambling can it be said that you did it: with the car? Yesish, though not the wording I would use. No to rest In the car? From the car? Did you fly a kite from the car? Two hints, as some of these are getting hard to answer: 1. Be careful to state whether "it" refers to the "gambling", or the having fun. 2. I had to answer some form of Yes to "Were you trying something that you didn't expect to work?", because technically it's true. However, many alternative phrasings--such as "Did you expect what you were doing to not work"--would have gotten a No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2053 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can it be said that you did the gambling part "to the car"? How about the fun part? Was something attached to the car? Pulled behind the car? Relevant how you came up with the idea? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 804 Registered: 6-2008 |
Can it be said that you did the gambling part "to the car"? How about the fun part? It could be said of both Was something attached to the car? Pulled behind the car? Neither Relevant how you came up with the idea? The idea for the gambling? If so, FA | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2143 Registered: 9-2009 |
So the fun part was done while driving? And the gambling part before driving? Is the relative wind relevant? Was something relevant thrown or otherwise released from the car: during the gambling part? The fun part? Is liquid invovled in the: gambling? Fun? G-forces relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 823 Registered: 6-2008 |
So the fun part was done while driving? Yes And the gambling part before driving? And yes Is the relative wind relevant? Was something relevant thrown or otherwise released from the car: during the gambling part? The fun part? Is liquid involved in the: gambling? Fun? G-forces relevant? No to all the rest Hint: The "gambling" was a very ordinary action that I'm sure many of you do multiple times a day. There was a relevant accident (not in the sense of a car collision) that made it amount to a game of chance in this case, while usually no chance is involved. | ||
| Logician (Logician)
New member Username: Logician Post Number: 663 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is the "gambling" action something that one would only do whilst driving? Or is it transferable to other pursuits? Does it involve taking some short-cut in the rules of the road? For example, is it / does it include: speeding? Not checking both ways before turning off a junction? Doing an about turn in the middle of the road (as opposed to a standard 3-point turn)? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 837 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the "gambling" action something that one would only do whilst driving? Before driving, as Galfisk established Or is it transferable to other pursuits? The same action may be done to/with cars that are not about to be driven, and related actions can be done with other items Does it involve taking some short-cut in the rules of the road? For example, is it / does it include: speeding? Not checking both ways before turning off a junction? Doing an about turn in the middle of the road (as opposed to a standard 3-point turn)? No to all of these, see above | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2257 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is a specific part, system or function in the car relevant? Is there something wrong with the car? If so, does the problem introduce randomness where there isn't supposed to be any? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 842 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is a specific part Thisish, system or function in the car relevant? Is there something wrong with the car? Hmm. Yope, see below If so, does the problem introduce randomness where there isn't supposed to be any? There is a problem, for svv of "problem", relating to the car, and this does introduce randomness. It's not a technical malfunction, though. And I wouldn't say it's really the car that has the problem. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2281 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the "thisish" part something added to the car? Something inside the passenger compartment? Trunk? Under the hood? Under the car? On the outside? Can "I never would have thought that would work" be reformulated as "I never would have thought that would create randomness" or "act randomly"? Are you transporting something relevant? would it be helpful to make an LTPF list of car parts? Is the car stereo relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 847 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the "thisish" part something added to the car? No Something inside the passenger compartment? Trunk? Under the hood? Under the car? On the outside? Thisish Can "I never would have thought that would work" be reformulated as "I never would have thought that would create randomness" No or "act randomly"? and no Are you transporting something relevant? Aside from myself and another person, no would it be helpful to make an LTPF list of car parts? No, if you must make a list, probably better is a list of steps taken before driving a car Is the car stereo relevant? Not in the gambling. Yes in the having fun, though sort of irr. *****************RECAP********************** I took a very ordinary action with a car, in preparation to drive it. The outcome of this action is usually totally expected, however this time there was chance involved, due to an accidental occurrence that has not been worked out yet. There is one (or more, depending on how you look at it) car involved in the scenario, as well as one other person. However, neither of these were directly part of the action involving chance. Hint: Whose car was it? What did I know vs. not know about what I was doing? | ||
| Logician (Logician)
New member Username: Logician Post Number: 667 Registered: 6-2003 |
OK, list of pre-driving actions coming up. Which, if any, of the following is the action (or part of it): Walking up to the car? Opening the car door? Directly with the key? Or remotely, with a key fob? If relevant, is the opening method for this car one that you're not used to? Sitting down inside the car? Putting the key into the ignition, and starting the engine? Moving the gears to 'reverse'? Relevant if it's manual or automatic? If so, was it a different type than the one you're used to? And maybe your muscle memory moved the gear according to your system, and it only coincidentally worked for the car you were in? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 849 Registered: 6-2008 |
OK, list of pre-driving actions coming up. Which, if any, of the following is the action (or part of it): Walking up to the car? Opening the car door? Directly with the key? This is relevant Or remotely, with a key fob? If relevant, is the opening method for this car one that you're not used to? Sitting down inside the car? Putting the key into the ignition, and starting the engine? And this. All else is irrelevant Moving the gears to 'reverse'? Relevant if it's manual or automatic? If so, was it a different type than the one you're used to? And maybe your muscle memory moved the gear according to your system, and it only coincidentally worked for the car you were in? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2337 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you do something else relevant? Is the car's locking system relevant? If so, does it have electric door locks? Remote locks? Were all doors locked before you unlocked the driver's side door? Did you separately unlock one or more other doors? If so: with the key? Or from the inside? does the car belong to you? Your friend? Someone else? Was it a rental? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 852 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did you do something else relevant? Like what? Is the car's locking system relevant? Yesish If so, does it have electric door locks? No, at least I did not use them Remote locks? Same as previous Were all doors locked before you unlocked the driver's side door? Assume so Did you separately unlock one or more other doors? Only one car door needs to be opened with a key in order to be able to unlock the others, so this is irr. If so: with the key? Yes Or from the inside? Yes for whichever wasn't opened with the key does the car belong to you? No Your friend? No Someone else? Yes Was it a rental? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2365 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are there more relevant pre-driving actions than the ones listed? Did you unlock all doors before driving? Is it a two-door car? Or four-door? Relevant? Is something on/in the doors relevant, except for the locks? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 854 Registered: 6-2008 |
Are there more relevant pre-driving actions than the ones listed?Hmm... There was something very relevant that happened between the other involved HAM and I, and it happened before the driving, but is not a "pre-driving action" in the sense of your list Did you unlock all doors before driving? Irr. Is it a two-door car? Or four-door? Relevant? No Is something on/in the doors relevant, except for the locks? No The focus on the physical properties of the car itself is quite OTWT | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2397 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you: joking? Making a bet or dare? Fighting? Celebrating? Did you bring something relevant into the car? When the fun occured, were you both sitting normally in the car? Is the car owner relevant? Are you unfamiliar with the car? Are the driving conditions relevant? Other traffic? Layout of the road(s)? Surroundings? If so: urban? Suburban? Rural? Industrial? | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 739 Registered: 6-2009 |
Was the key broken? Malformed in some way? Did the "gambling" involve whether or not the key would successfully open the door/start the car? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 855 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were you: joking? Making a bet or dare? Fighting? Celebrating? No to all. The fun, which is distinct from the "gambling", had prankish elements, but this is rather irr. Did you bring something relevant into the car? No When the fun occured, were you both sitting normally in the car? Yes Is the car owner relevant? YES, very relevant but not really involved Are you unfamiliar with the car? YES, but beware FA Are the driving conditions relevant? No Other traffic? Layout of the road(s)? Surroundings? If so: urban? This, and slightly relevant. Not to the later driving, but to where the car was parked Suburban? Rural? Industrial? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 856 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was the key broken?No Malformed in some way?No Did the "gambling" involve whether or not the key would successfully open the door/start the car?Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1804 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was there more than one key? And you were guessing which one would work? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 862 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was there more than one key?No, if you mean that I (or the other guy directly involved in the scenario) had a second key And you were guessing which one would work?So no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2447 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the key not for that particular car? But for another car of the same model? Does the car belong to a friend? Did you take it as a prank? To make the owner think it was stolen? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 863 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was the key not for that particular car?Yes But for another car of the same model?YES! Does the car belong to a friend?No Did you take it as a prank?The "fun" part was a sort of prank, though not foreseen when I tried the key To make the owner think it was stolen?No, we parked it back where it was before the owner presumably knew something was up. Just because there is really no mystery in it, I'll tell you that the "fun" consisted in going for a short joyride, switching out the tapes in the stereo, and doing various other silly and easily reversible things to the car. What remains to be solved is how we came to try the key in this car in the first place. And remember, "we" is my dad and a work buddy of his, so don't judge me for it :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1842 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you lose the original key? So you were just hoping that this key would work in this car? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 865 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did you lose the original key?No So you were just hoping that this key would work in this car?So no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2514 Registered: 9-2009 |
were you going to borrow a car? So you were given the keys and its general location? And you found a car that appeared to match, and which opened with the key? but then you spotted the correct car, or otherwise came to realize you had the wrong car? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 869 Registered: 6-2008 |
were you going to borrow a car?Noish, but OTRT So you were given the keys and its general location?Yes And you found a car that appeared to match, and which opened with the key?YES but then you spotted the correct car,Well, a while later yes or otherwise came to realize you had the wrong car?Yes All VERY OTRT | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2529 Registered: 9-2009 |
were you going to test drive the car? Had you just bought it? Were you going to drive it somewhere for someone else? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 874 Registered: 6-2008 |
were you going to test drive the car?No Had you just bought it?No Were you going to drive it somewhere for someone else? Yesish | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2554 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you going to go get the car for someone, and bring it to him? Did the owner of the correct car tell you that you had the wrong one? Was the gambling in the form of "it could be any of these cars, let's just try the key in both/all of them and see which one opens"? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 896 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were you going to go get the car for someone, and bring it to him? Yes Did the owner of the correct car tell you that you had the wrong one? Yes Was the gambling in the form of "it could be any of these cars, let's just try the key in both/all of them and see which one opens"? <b>Well, I didn't see the other car, but essentially yes.<b> *********************SPOILER********************** One time, my dad and his colleague were leaving work. The colleague asked my dad to get his car and drive it back to the workplace to pick him up, giving my dad the keys, the block, and the make and model. When my dad got to that block, he saw a car of the right make and model, and tried the key, which worked. When he brought the car over to pick up the colleague, he was told that it was the wrong car. Since they had it anyway, they decided to go for a joyride and mess with a few inconsequential things in the car. They then parked it back where it had been, found the colleague's real car, and left having had a good laugh (and having lost some faith in the security of car locks!) |
