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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 3:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A hunter fires a shot. Soon after, he realizes his mistake. Soon after that, he is dead.

NOT the classic - avalanches are not involved.
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 4:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Location or time-period relevant? Science fiction or fantasy relevant? Like a spaceman punching a hole in his own ship?

Is the hunter H/A/M? Is anyone else involved? Was the shot fired at a creature or person? Was the shot from a lethal weapon? Did he hit his target? Was he shooting from close, medium, or long range, and is this relevant?

Can the injury that killed him be classed as crushing, piercing or slashing? Asphyxiation?
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 4:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Location or time-period relevant? Location Yes, time period Yope Science fiction or fantasy relevant? No Like a spaceman punching a hole in his own ship? No

Is the hunter H/A/M? Yes Is anyone else involved? Yes Was the shot fired at a creature or person? Yes Was the shot from a lethal weapon? Yes Did he hit his target? Yes Was he shooting from close, medium, or long range, and is this relevant? Assume medium to long, and a little bit relevant

Can the injury that killed him be classed as crushing, piercing or slashing? Asphyxiation? None of these
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 5:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was his target killed? Was it human? Animal? Did that human or animal directly cause his death? Or was the death more indirect (as in the sound setting off an avalanche in the original)?

Location: LTPF list of countries, please. Terrain relevant?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 5:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was his target killed? Yes Was it human? Yes, with a possible FA on the rise Animal? No Did that human or animal directly cause his death? No Or was the death more indirect (as in the sound setting off an avalanche in the original)? Yes

Location: LTPF list of countries, please. Assume United States Terrain relevant? Very much so
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 5:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Urban? Suburban? Rural? Plains? Mountains? Jungle? Temperate? Forest? Desert? Arctic? Height above sea level relevant?

Was he committing murder? Was he a military or police sniper? Is anyone else besides the dead shooter and his victim relevant?
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 5:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Urban? Suburban? Rural? Plains? Mountains? Jungle? Temperate? Forest? This one Desert? Arctic? Height above sea level relevant? No

Was he committing murder? I'm honestly not sure; I don't know the legal definitions. But I would guess No. Was he a military or police sniper? No Is anyone else besides the dead shooter and his victim relevant? No
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 6:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did some think it was an accident? Manslaughter (accidental killing)? Was he firing a rifle? A pistol? Did a tree fall on him? Or on his victim?

Was the shooter physically injured? Was his cause of death obvious to the untrained eye? Was the sequence of events obvious, or did it need to be reconstructed by rangers/police?

Is this a true story? Fiction? FYOI?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, June 11, 2010 - 4:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did some think it was an accident? No Manslaughter (accidental killing)? Probably closest to this, but again, I don't know the precise legal definitions Was he firing a rifle? Yes A pistol? No Did a tree fall on him? No Or on his victim? No

Was the shooter physically injured? Yes Was his cause of death obvious to the untrained eye? Yes Was the sequence of events obvious, or did it need to be reconstructed by rangers/police? Depends on how smart the rangers were, but it probably needed reconstruction.

Is this a true story? Fiction? FYOI? This, but based off someone else's imagination.
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 3:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he a bounty hunter? Were his injuries purely internal? Was he poisoned? Killed by a weapon, or by something natural?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 3:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he a bounty hunter? No Were his injuries purely internal? No Was he poisoned? No Killed by a weapon, Yes, with svv of "weapon" or by something natural? Also yes, with svv of "natural"
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 3:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I should probably warn you: this puzzle is a little silly.
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 5:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the target H/A/M? Could this story really happen?

Was he struck with a stick or other natural object? Was it blunt damage that killed him?

Did he fall? Did something fall on him?

David and Goliath relevant?
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Was the human target in any way camouflaged (or the likes, e.g. mask, costume, etc.)?

Did the hunter shot or killed himself?

Did the hunter know the victim?

Are light conditions (day/night) relevant?

What does "soon after" mean? Less than a second? Seconds? A minute? 5 minutes?
Balin (Balin)
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Was the target H/A/M? Yes Could this story really happen? Yes, but unlikely

Was he struck with a stick or other natural object? Assuming "he" is the hunter, yope. Was it blunt damage that killed him? Again, assuming "him" is the hunter, yes.

Did he fall? The hunter, yes. Did something fall on him? No

David and Goliath relevant? No, but let's call the victim David, and the hunter Goliath.

Was the human target in any way camouflaged (or the likes, e.g. mask, costume, etc.)? Yes! GREAT question!

Did the hunter shot or killed himself? No

Did the hunter know the victim? No

Are light conditions (day/night) relevant? Yope. Let's assume it was around dusk, and it wasn't the clearest of conditions.

What does "soon after" mean? Less than a second? Seconds? This. Probably 10-15 seconds. A minute? 5 minutes?
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the hunter know he was gonna die soon after he realized his mistake?

Did the hunter correctly recognized the actual identity of his target when he shot him?

Was he specifically hunting for that specific target?

Did a tree trunk hit him?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the hunter know he was gonna die soon after he realized his mistake? No

Did the hunter correctly recognized the actual identity of his target when he shot him? No! Another great question!

Was he specifically hunting for that specific target? Please clarify "that specific target," but probably a Yes.

Did a tree trunk hit him? No
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 7:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

:-)

Did the hunter recognized the target as human?

Has "the thing" that killed the hunter been set up by the target?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

:-)

Did the hunter recognized the target as human? No! Three posts in a row with a great question...nice.

Has "the thing" that killed the hunter been set up by the target? No
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was David camouflaged as: a plant? If so a tree? An animal?

Did Goliath shoot upwards? Downwards? Level?

Did he fire more than once? Relevant?

Did Goliath, before his death, find out he had killed David?

Was the actual sequence Goliath shoots - hits and kills David - dies himself?
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Did his falling have a big role in the death of the hunter?

Did the hunter think the target was an animal?

Was the hunter short-sighted?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was David camouflaged as: a plant? If so a tree? An animal? This one

Did Goliath shoot upwards? Downwards? This one Level?

Did he fire more than once? No Relevant? Yope

Did Goliath, before his death, find out he had killed David? Yes

Was the actual sequence Goliath shoots - hits and kills David - dies himself? Yes

Did his falling have a big role in the death of the hunter? Yes

Did the hunter think the target was an animal? Yes!

Was the hunter short-sighted? No
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 11:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Goliath die as a direct consequence of the fall (impact thrauma on ground contact)?

Was Goliath sitting on a tree?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Goliath die as a direct consequence of the fall (impact thrauma on ground contact)? Yes

Was Goliath sitting on a tree? Yes. He was in a tree stand.

You've almost got it now!
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Did the hunter realise he just killed a man and was so shocked that he fell from the tree stand?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 11:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the hunter realise he just killed a man and was so shocked that he fell from the tree stand? Indeed!

Someone care to put it all together?
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 1:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Goliath is a hunter. He aims at what he thinks is a deer, but when it falls dead, he realizes it was another hunter (perhaps in camouflage). At this point, he either steps back in surprise and falls from his stand, or he jumps off in remorse and kills himself... though one would think he could just shoot himself with his own gun. Unless it's one-shot. Yeah, that's it. :p
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 1:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Goliath is a hunter. Yes He aims at what he thinks is a deer, A moose, but close enough. but when it falls dead, he realizes it was another hunter Yope (perhaps in camouflage) Again, yope. At this point, he either steps back in surprise and falls from his stand, This or he jumps off in remorse and kills himself... though one would think he could just shoot himself with his own gun. Unless it's one-shot. Yeah, that's it. :p

VERY close. Just fix the Yopes and we're all set and $poyled.
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 2:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he shocked that he had killed a person? Was the person he killed wearing clothes that made him look like a moose? Like a Bullwinkle costume?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 2:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he shocked that he had killed a person? The hunter, yes Was the person he killed wearing clothes that made him look like a moose? YES!!! Like a Bullwinkle costume? Just a generic moose costume. Told you this was silly!

And of course that's the

**********SPOILER**********

To sum up, David's in the woods, wearing a moose costume. Why? Who knows.

Meanwhile, Goliath is out moose-hunting. From his tree stand, he spots what appears to be a moose, aims, and fires one shot straight into its head. Unfortunately, the "moose" is David in his costume, and he is killed instantly by the shot. David falls, and when he hits the ground, the costume's head falls off. Goliath sees this, and realizes that he has just killed a person. In shock, he falls out of the tree stand, hits his head on a rock, and dies.

The idea for this puzzle comes from an old Woody Allen routine, which can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmnLRVWgnXU

Again, great work to everyone involved, especially Murmur and Jenburdoo for some great questions and the takedown.
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Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 - 2:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hahaha! Good one. I vaguely remember reading that story in one of Allen's books.

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