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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 1:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Only utter incompetence could have sunk her -- and it did.
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 3:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Her: HAF? a ship? the Titanic?
Is this a true story?
U.S.S.Maine? Lusitania?
Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]?
Incompetence on the part of the crew? the captain? the government?
Did this occur during a war?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 3:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Her: HAF? a ship? This. the Titanic? No.
Is this a true story? Yes.
U.S.S.Maine? Lusitania? Neither.
Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 20th.
Incompetence on the part of the crew? This. the captain? the government?
Did this occur during a war? Yes.
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Did it break in half? Tip over? Was it damaged by an explosion? Act of war? Fire? Collision? With seabed or land? Was it a war ship? Did it have guns? Relevant?
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Did it break in half? Tip over? Was it damaged by an explosion? This. Act of war? This. Fire? This. Collision? With seabed or land? Was it a war ship? Yes. Did it have guns? Yes. Relevant? That it was a warship, yes - that it had guns, no.
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Did the incompetence result in it: being hit? Catching fire? Spreding of the fire? Explosion? Did its ammunition explode? Was it a carrier? Sub? Relevant what type of war ship it was?
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Did the incompetence result in it: being hit? No. Catching fire? For SVV of catching fire, yes. Spreding of the fire? For SVV of spreading fire, yes. Explosion? This. Did its ammunition explode? No. Was it a carrier? This. Sub? Relevant what type of war ship it was? Yes.
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Was the ship fired at? And hit? Did something from the ship itself explode? If so: fuel? Vapors? Were fire preventing measures not: installed? Used? Carried out? Was it hit by an airplane? Kamikaze?
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Was the ship fired at? Yes. And hit? Yes. Did something from the ship itself explode? Yes. If so: fuel? Yes. Vapors? Yes. Were fire preventing measures not: installed? Used? This is related, but the real problem is something else. Carried out? Was it hit by an airplane? Kamikaze? Neither.
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Is fuel stored inappropriately? Where it's not supposed to be? Are fumes allowed to leak where they are not supposed to go? Is there something wrong with the ventilation system? Did the crew know about the problem? Did they ignore it?
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Is fuel stored inappropriately? No. Where it's not supposed to be? No. Are fumes allowed to leak where they are not supposed to go?
b{Yes.} Is there something wrong with the ventilation system? Yes. Did the crew know about the problem? Yes. Did they ignore it? No.
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Did they try to correct the problem? But failed? Or made it even worse?
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Did they try to correct the problem? Yes. But failed? Or made it even worse? This.
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The problem was with the ventilation, correct? Leading fumes to build up in an area? Then they tried to fix the problem? But it only lead to fumes spreading to other areas? Which then exploded when they were hit? Was something mounted/run backwards?
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The problem was with the ventilation, correct? Yes. Leading fumes to build up in an area? Yes. Then they tried to fix the problem? Yes. But it only lead to fumes spreading to other areas? Yes. Which then exploded when they were hit? They weren't hit. Was something mounted/run backwards? No.
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You said they were hit a few posts ago? Were the fumes ignited by something aboard the ship? Was the ship damaged before the fumes exploded? Was there a fire before they exploded? Did someone on the ship actively ignite the fumes? If so: by accident? Negligence? did the fumes ignite because: they reached an existing source of ignition? A source of ignition was created in an area where the fumes already were? were the fumes from: ship fuel? Airplane fuel? Other? Relevant? Did something happen to the fuel to make it release more fumes than usual? Such as heating?
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You said they were hit a few posts ago? Blooper: They were hit once, before the fumes started. They were not hit a second time. Were the fumes ignited by something aboard the ship? Yes. Was the ship damaged before the fumes exploded? Yes. Was there a fire before they exploded? No. Did someone on the ship actively ignite the fumes? Possibly. If so: by accident? Could be this. Negligence? Or this. did the fumes ignite because: they reached an existing source of ignition? A source of ignition was created in an area where the fumes already were? This, most likely. were the fumes from: ship fuel? Airplane fuel? This. Other? Relevant? Not especially. Did something happen to the fuel to make it release more fumes than usual? Such as heating? No.
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Did the damage cause the fumes to start spreading? Because of damage to the ventilation system? Fans relevant? Did the ventilation system leak? Did the crew misdiagnose the problem? Did they route/blow air to where it shouldn't be? Did they create a draft that spread the fumes? Neglect to close doors/valves/hatches/vents/other that would prevent the fumes from spreading? Did they try to vent the fumes to the atmosphere? But ended up venting them to the rest of the ship? Because of damage to the ventilation system? Because of incompetence?
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Did they fail to account for the fumes being heavier than air?
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Did the damage cause the fumes to start spreading? No. Because of damage to the ventilation system? No. Fans relevant? Yes. Did the ventilation system leak? No. Did the crew misdiagnose the problem? No. Did they route/blow air to where it shouldn't be? Yes. Did they create a draft that spread the fumes? Yes. Neglect to close doors/valves/hatches/vents/other that would prevent the fumes from spreading? Yope. Did they try to vent the fumes to the atmosphere? Yes. But ended up venting them to the rest of the ship? Yes. Because of damage to the ventilation system? No. Because of incompetence? Yes.

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Sinking Spoiler:

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The Japanese aircraft carrier HIJMS Taiho was attacked in 1944 by the submarine USS Albacore. Albacore fired six torpedoes and only scored one hit, which caused a leak in a fuel bunker and not much else. Taiho's hangars were completely enclosed, with almost no vents, and there wasn't an easy way to remove the spreading fumes (other than the foaming fire suppression system, which no one thought to use.) In desperation, the damage control officer turned the ventilation system of the entire ship on to try to blow the fumes out of the ship through the very few portholes. Instead, they spread throughout the ship and turned her into a floating time bomb. Six hours after taking minor damage that should have been easy to repair, Taiho exploded and sank with most of her crew.

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