| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3113 Registered: 5-2003 |
They hoped to gain something valuable, but lost their chance out of fear. | ||
| Fermat1601 (Fermat1601)
New member Username: Fermat1601 Post Number: 87 Registered: 6-2010 |
Something=a physical object? money? an emotion? a skill or knowledge? Fear of something that wanted to stop them from gaining this "something" ? a person? animal? natural phenomenon? something caused by humans? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3115 Registered: 5-2003 |
Something=a physical object? This. money? an emotion? a skill or knowledge? Fear of something that wanted to stop them from gaining this "something" ? No. a person? This, or persons. animal? natural phenomenon? something caused by humans? | ||
| Fermat1601 (Fermat1601)
New member Username: Fermat1601 Post Number: 88 Registered: 6-2010 |
Is it fear of a specific few people/person, or all people with a certain quality? Is the object only nominally valuable? or does it contain rare materials? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3126 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it fear of a specific few people/person, A specific few... or all people with a certain quality? ... but they all do have a certain quality. Is the object only nominally valuable? It's not necessarily intrinsically valuable, but there are several reasons people might want it. or does it contain rare materials? Possibly, but unlikely. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2314 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is a ladder involved? A long one? They=HAM? Number fo them relevant? They=their? Was the fear rational? Did they fear: Injury? Death? Ridicule? Did the people they feared want them to not get the object? Do they own it? Or defend it? Are they competing for it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3128 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is a ladder involved? Not necessarily. Is so, only mildly. A long one? No. They=HAM? Yes. Number fo them relevant? No. They=their? Yes. Was the fear rational? Yes. Did they fear: Injury? Death? Ridicule? None of these, really, though the latter two may factor into it. Did the people they feared want them to not get the object? Not necessarily. Do they own it? No. Or defend it? No. Are they competing for it? The people who want it? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2319 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant what the object it? Is it a prize? Are they competing in a tournament? Are they afraid of losing? Are they a team? Or competing agaist each other? Are they H? A? M? How about the people they're afraid of? Is this a true story? Is the military relevant? Or aviation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3130 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant what the object is? Yes. Is it a prize? No. Are they competing in a tournament? No. Are they afraid of losing? No. Are they a team? No. Or competing against each other? Yesish. Are they H? A? M? Assume yes to all, though a few might be child or female. How about the people they're afraid of? HAM. Is this a true story? Maybe. Parts of it, anyway. Is the military relevant? No. Or aviation? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2322 Registered: 9-2009 |
If they had gained it, would: one of them get it? Some of them get it? All of them? It is one object, correct? Did someone else get it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3132 Registered: 5-2003 |
If they had gained it, would: one of them get it? This. Some of them get it? All of them? It is one object, correct? Yes. Did someone else get it? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1483 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they digging for something? Were they superstitious? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3136 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they digging for something? No. Were they superstitious? Doubtful. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1518 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the item made of metal? Glass? Plastic? Wood? Plaster? Paper? Cloth? Cardboard? Other? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3138 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the item made of metal? Glass? Plastic? Wood? This. Plaster? Paper? Cloth? Cardboard? Other? And a little of this. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1531 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid of the items, as well as the others? Can the item easily be carried? Is it bigger than a toaster? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1532 Registered: 4-2010 |
Check that - "items" should be in the singular. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3141 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid of the items No., as well as the others? Can the item easily be carried? Yes. Is it bigger than a toaster? Depends on the toaster -- generally about the same size. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1534 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a container of some sort? A box? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3145 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it a container of some sort? No. A box? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1541 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the item solid? Hollow? A statue? Other likeness? Is it carved? Ornately? Is the wood painted? If so, relevant which color? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3147 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the item solid? Hollow? Yes. A statue? No. Other likeness? No. Is it carved? Yes. Ornately? Assume yes. Is the wood painted? I doubt it. If so, relevant which color? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1551 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the item an idol? A totem pole? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3149 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the item an idol? A totem pole? Neither. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2361 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can the object be called a: treasure? Trinket? Symbol? Is it unique? well known? To get it, would they have to go and retrieve it? If so, relevant how far they would have to go? Relevant when this happened? Was it destroyed in the end? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3159 Registered: 5-2003 |
Can the object be called a: treasure? Maybe this, but unlikely. Trinket? Symbol? Is it unique? Yesish. well known? No. To get it, would they have to go and retrieve it? Yes. If so, relevant how far they would have to go? Vaguely. Relevant when this happened? Yes. Was it destroyed in the end? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1568 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant how the item was destroyed? Did it hold special meaning to the ones who wanted to retrieve it? To those who were feared? Were the "feared ones" guarding it? Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? On [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3162 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant how the item was destroyed? Yes. Did it hold special meaning to the ones who wanted to retrieve it? Possibly. To those who were feared? Were the "feared ones" guarding it? Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 18th. On [LTPF list of continents]? Europe. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1577 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the item destroyed by fire? Breaking apart? Explosion? Freezing/shattering? Cut into pieces? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3167 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the item destroyed by fire? Breaking apart? This. Explosion? Freezing/shattering? Cut into pieces? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1585 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it smashed with a blunt object? Did it fall from a height? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3169 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it smashed with a blunt object? Noish. Did it fall from a height? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1589 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it smashed against a floor? Wall? Street? Did someone throw it against said something? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3172 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it smashed against a floor? Wall? Street? Did someone throw it against said something? None of these. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1591 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it smashed? Chopped? Blended? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3174 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it smashed? This. Chopped? Blended? Blooper: IIRC, I could say "Yes" to being smashed against a blunt object. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1605 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it struck with something? Did it strike something? The ground? A house? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3176 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it struck with something? Did it strike something? This. The ground? A house? Neither. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1612 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did it hit a large object? Larger than a house? A room? A toaster? A baseball? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3178 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did it hit a large object? Larger than a house? A room? A toaster? About this size. A baseball? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1619 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the object it hit made of metal? Stone? Wood? Plastic? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3180 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the object it hit made of metal? Stone? This. And that's all it is, just a stone. Wood? Plastic? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1626 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the object dropped onto the stone? Did it fall? Accidentally? Thrown? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3187 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the object dropped onto the stone? Did it fall? Accidentally? Thrown? None of these. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1635 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the item destroyed in a "sacred" way? That would hold meaning to the group trying to get it? The group that was feared? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3190 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the item destroyed in a "sacred" way? No. That would hold meaning to the group trying to get it? The group that was feared? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1641 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the object contain something? Which is lost when the object smashes? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3192 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the object contain something? No. Which is lost when the object smashes? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1686 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? On [LTPF list of continents]? True story? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3195 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 18th. On [LTPF list of continents]? Europe. True story? Yope. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1702 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did it happen in [LTPF list of European countries]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3198 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did it happen in [LTPF list of European countries]? Scotland. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1709 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are particular clans relevant? Is one group a certain clan? Is the other a rival clan? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3201 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are particular clans relevant? No. Is one group a certain clan? Is the other a rival clan? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1719 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the gender of the groups relevant? Age? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3203 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the gender of the groups relevant? Yes. Age? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1738 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Group 1 (the "they" in the puzzle statement) human? Adult? Male? Group 2 (the feared group): Human? Adult? Male? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3216 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Group 1 (the "they" in the puzzle statement) human? Adult? Male? Group 2 (the feared group): Human? Adult? Male? Assume yes to all; though a few of "they" might have been female this is irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1742 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does Group 1 consist of young men? Middle-aged? Old? Ditto for Group 2? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3218 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does Group 1 consist of young men? Middle-aged? Old? Could be any of these. Ditto for Group 2? Most likely young to middle-aged. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1750 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any of the groups royalty? Upper-class? Middle-class? Lower-class? Is a castle relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3226 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are any of the groups royalty? Upper-class? Middle-class? Assume middle to lower class. Lower-class? Is a castle relevant? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1756 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is one group tenants, and the other landlords? Some other "lord"-ish system? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3233 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is one group tenants, and the other landlords? No. Some other "lord"-ish system? It is semi-feudal, but largely irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1762 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any of the people in the groups related? Is one group related to the other? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3235 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are any of the people in the groups related? Is one group related to the other? No to both. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2405 Registered: 9-2009 |
To get the object, would group 1 have to: fight group 2? Pay them? Befriend them? Speak to them? Avoid them? Beat them at something? Pay them? Steal from them? Hurt them? Annoy them? Help them? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3239 Registered: 5-2003 |
To get the object, would group 1 have to: fight group 2? Pay them? Befriend them? Speak to them? Avoid them? Beat them at something? Pay them? Steal from them? Hurt them? Annoy them? This. Help them? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2417 Registered: 9-2009 |
Would they annoy them by: making noise? Waking them at night? Being on their land? Or water? Making light? Smell? Being in their way? Taking up some resource? Disturbing their animals? Or other animals? Are animals involved at all? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3243 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would they annoy them by: making noise? Waking them at night? Being on their land? Or water? Making light? Smell? Being in their way? Possibly a very small influence here. Taking up some resource? Disturbing their animals? Or other animals? Are animals involved at all? No to all the rest. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1796 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the annoyance involve physical interaction between the groups? Loud noise? Something seen? Would the annoyance leave obvious signs? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3248 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would the annoyance involve physical interaction between the groups? Unlikely. Loud noise? Possibly. Something seen? Yes. Would the annoyance leave obvious signs? Afterwards? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1807 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Group 1 putting something up? Taking something down? Going onto Group 2's land? Farming relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3250 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Group 1 putting something up? Taking something down? Going onto Group 2's land? Not unlikely. Farming relevant? No to others. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1812 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Group 1 doing something to Group 2's land? Vandalizing it? Reclaiming the object? Was the object stolen by Group 2? Is it a bucket? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3252 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Group 1 doing something to Group 2's land? Vandalizing it? Reclaiming the object? Was the object stolen by Group 2? Is it a bucket? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1824 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Group 1 just trespassing on the land? Meeting on it? Having a party? Trying to find something? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3254 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Group 1 just trespassing on the land? No. Meeting on it? Sort of. Having a party? No, but... Trying to find something? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1829 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they having a celebration on the land? A ceremony? Wedding? Funeral? Church service? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3255 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are they having a celebration on the land? A ceremony? Wedding? Funeral? OTRT. Church service? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1831 Registered: 4-2010 |
Has someone died? Human? Animal? And they are burying them? A memorial service? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3259 Registered: 5-2003 |
Has someone died? Not quite. Human? Yes. Animal? And they are burying them? A memorial service? None of these. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1839 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the person sick? Close to death? Is Group 1 trying to make them better? Is the "I'm-not-dead-yet!" person part of Group 1? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3260 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the person sick? No. Close to death? Yes. Is Group 1 trying to make them better? No. Is the "I'm-not-dead-yet!" person part of Group 1? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1889 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the person in danger? Part of Group 2? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3261 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the person in danger? Yes. Part of Group 2? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1915 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the person trying to retrieve the object? In danger from other people? From Group 2? From animals? From a natural disaster? Could they have saved the person by retrieving the object? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2511 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the person dying? HAM? Injured? Sick? Old? Poisoned? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3275 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the person trying to retrieve the object? No. In danger from other people? Yes. From Group 2? Yes. From animals? From a natural disaster? Could they have saved the person by retrieving the object? No to the rest. Is the person dying? No, but... HAM? Yes. Injured? Sick? Old? Poisoned? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1937 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Group 2 trying to kill the person for a crime? Trying to execute him? Because he's a member of Group 1? Does Group 1 succeed in the rescue? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3280 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Group 2 trying to kill the person for a crime? Yes. Trying to execute him? Yes. Because he's a member of Group 1? No. Does Group 1 succeed in the rescue? FA. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1956 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Group 1 trying to rescue the person when they go onto the land? Did the person commit the crime against Group 2? A member of Group 2? Was it [LTPF list of crimes]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3285 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Group 1 trying to rescue the person when they go onto the land? No. Did the person commit the crime against Group 2? Yesish. A member of Group 2? Possibly. Was it [LTPF list of crimes]? Highway robbery. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2536 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the person in the custody of: group 1? Group 2? Neither? Is the person and getting the item related? Or is only the person and the fear of group 2 related? Are group 1 protecting the person? Keeping him hidden? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3292 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the person in the custody of: group 1? Group 2? This. Neither? Is the person and getting the item related? Yes. Or is only the person and the fear of group 2 related? Are group 1 protecting the person? Keeping him hidden? Neither. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1996 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Group 1 trying to steal the object and hold it as ransom? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3293 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Group 1 trying to steal the object and hold it as ransom? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2012 Registered: 4-2010 |
In the end, is the person out of the custody of Group 2? Has he died? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3294 Registered: 5-2003 |
In the end, is the person out of the custody of Group 2? Technically. Has he died? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2018 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he killed in the manner Group 2 intended? Or was it as a consequence of Group 1's "invasion"? Was the object destroyed before he was killed? After? At the same time? Did the object fall on him? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3295 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is he killed in the manner Group 2 intended? Yes. Or was it as a consequence of Group 1's "invasion"? No. Was the object destroyed before he was killed? Yes. After? At the same time? Did the object fall on him? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2023 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Group 2 destroy the object? Did the person killed try to escape? Did he accidentally destroy the object? While trying to escape? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3297 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Group 2 destroy the object? Did the person killed try to escape? Did he accidentally destroy the object? While trying to escape? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2027 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the object destroyed accidentally? Intentionally? By Group 1? By the person? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3298 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the object destroyed accidentally? Intentionally? This. By Group 1? By the person? This. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3313 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: This is another folk-music puzzle, and thus has its own rules of logic... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2039 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the object used to try and fight off Group 1? Is the object a musical instrument? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3315 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the object used to try and fight off Group 1? No. Is the object a musical instrument? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2048 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a guitar? Is the folk song played on the instrument? Is the instrument being retrieved for the purposes of playing the song? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3320 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it a guitar? No. Is the folk song played on the instrument? Yes. Is the instrument being retrieved for the purposes of playing the song? No, but... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2055 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the instrument a stringed instrument? Woodwind? Brass? Percussion? Bagpipes? A piano? Other keyboard-type instrument? Is a song intended to be played on it? Is the song about the instrument? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3322 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the instrument a stringed instrument? This. Woodwind? Brass? Percussion? Bagpipes? A piano? Other keyboard-type instrument? Is a song intended to be played on it? Yes. Is the song about the instrument? Partly. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2077 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a violin? Banjo? Viola? Cello? Double bass? Tissue-box-with-rubber-bands-and-a-paper-towel-tube? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3326 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it a violin? A fiddle, but they're interchangeable. Banjo? Viola? Cello? Double bass? Tissue-box-with-rubber-bands-and-a-paper-towel-tube? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2079 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the person have the fiddle in his possession when he was captured by Group 2? Did Group 2, in fact, capture him? Did he hit someone with the fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3328 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the person have the fiddle in his possession when he was captured by Group 2? Yes. Did Group 2, in fact, capture him? Yes. Did he hit someone with the fiddle? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2080 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the person play the fiddle during his captivity? Did the sound tell Group 1 where to find him? Did he play the fiddle well? Poorly? Did Group 2 kill him because he couldn't play music well? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3329 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the person play the fiddle during his captivity? Yes. Did the sound tell Group 1 where to find him? No. Did he play the fiddle well? This. Poorly? Did Group 2 kill him because he couldn't play music well? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2087 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Group 2 delay killing him because of how well he played? Did the person's fiddling "inspire" the specific folk song (using folk song logic, of course)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3331 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Group 2 delay killing him because of how well he played? No. Did the person's fiddling "inspire" the specific folk song (using folk song logic, of course)? Yes, part of it anyway. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2088 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the person steal the fiddle? From Group 2? Is the person the last one to hold the fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3332 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the person steal the fiddle? No. From Group 2? Is the person the last one to hold the fiddle? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2560 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is this recap correct: A skilled fiddle player is held by group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock. Does the fiddler want group 1 to get the fiddle? Does he want to prevent group 2 from getting it? Does he want to prevent anyone from getting it? Did he make the fiddle? Relevant? Is the method of execution relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2561 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is he held in a tower? Would a long ladder would be needed to reach him and retrieve the fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3343 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is this recap correct: A skilled fiddle player is held by group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock. Correct. Does the fiddler want group 1 to get the fiddle? No, but... Does he want to prevent group 2 from getting it? No. Does he want to prevent anyone from getting it? Yes. Did he make the fiddle? Irr. Relevant? Is the method of execution relevant? Mildly. Is he held in a tower? Would a long ladder would be needed to reach him and retrieve the fiddle? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2219 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the fiddle player held in a dungeon? Prison? Other cell of some sort? Is he guarded? Relevant? Is the fiddle relevant to the crime? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3347 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the fiddle player held in a dungeon? Prison? Other cell of some sort? None of these. Is he guarded? Yes. Relevant? Yope. Is the fiddle relevant to the crime? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2237 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he under the careful watch of guards? Is he held captive indoors? Does Group 2 listen to his fiddling? Do they like it? Was Group 1 afraid of all of Group 2? Or only a select few? Or a majority? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3348 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is he under the careful watch of guards? Yes. Is he held captive indoors? No. Does Group 2 listen to his fiddling? Do they like it? Yope. Was Group 1 afraid of all of Group 2? Irr. Or only a select few? Or a majority? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2632 Registered: 9-2009 |
Will the fiddler be: hanged? Shot? Stoned? Drowned? Buried alive? Eaten by animals? Drawn and quartered? Burned at the stake? Crucified? Poisoned? Beheaded? Is there one or a few individuals in group 1 that want the fiddle? And they have enlisted the help of the whole group? Are any of them relatives of the fiddler? Or friends? are any of them also fiddlers? Does the fiddler want to prevent a specific person from getting the fiddle? Does group 1 share this goal? And the fiddle is smashed as a last resort, when they fail? Did the fiddler himself enlist group 1 to rescue his fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3357 Registered: 5-2003 |
Will the fiddler be: hanged? This. Shot? Stoned? Drowned? Buried alive? Eaten by animals? Drawn and quartered? Burned at the stake? Crucified? Poisoned? Beheaded? Is there one or a few individuals in group 1 that want the fiddle? More, but you're right in that not everyone in group 1 wants it. And they have enlisted the help of the whole group? No. Are any of them relatives of the fiddler? Or friends? Possibly. are any of them also fiddlers? Yes. Does the fiddler want to prevent a specific person from getting the fiddle? Specific people. Does group 1 share this goal? No. And the fiddle is smashed as a last resort, when they fail? Yes. Did the fiddler himself enlist group 1 to rescue his fiddle? No, but OTRT. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2636 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the fiddler enlist someone to get the fiddle? Or did someone close to the fiddler do it? Does the fiddler want to prevent people from group 2 from getting the fiddle? Someone else? Is the executioner involved? Will a relative of the fiddler get the fiddle? An enemy? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3358 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the fiddler enlist someone to get the fiddle? Yope. Or did someone close to the fiddler do it? No. Does the fiddler want to prevent people from group 2 from getting the fiddle? Irr. Someone else? Yes. Is the executioner involved? No. Will a relative of the fiddler get the fiddle? Eventually. An enemy? No. Hint: The fiddler's motives change in the course of the story. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2352 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the fiddler, at first, want someone to have the fiddle? Does he ever want someone to have it? Does the relative get the (smashed) fiddle after the execution? Is the intent of the fiddling to delay the execution? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3359 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the fiddler, at first, want someone to have the fiddle? Yes. Does he ever want someone to have it? Yes. Does the relative get the (smashed) fiddle after the execution? Yes. Is the intent of the fiddling to delay the execution? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2368 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the fiddler want the relative to have it? Throughout the entire story? Or just at the start? Is there a purpose to the fiddling, other than to pass the time? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3361 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the fiddler want the relative to have it? Irr. Throughout the entire story? Or just at the start? Is there a purpose to the fiddling, other than to pass the time? Oh, yes. I should mention that while the relatives eventually got the wrecked instrument (he was Scottish, and it's in his clan museum), how they came to have it is unknown and irrelevant, as they weren't there at the time. Hint: Ask the above questions again, but this time referring to Group 1. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2371 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the fiddler want Group 1 to have it? Throughout the entire story? Or just at the start? Is the specific song(s) that was/were fiddled relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3364 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the fiddler want Group 1 to have it? Not anymore. Throughout the entire story? No. Or just at the start? Yes. Is the specific song(s) that was/were fiddled relevant? Yes, and I'll post part of it at the end. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2374 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the fiddler hear of Group 1's plan to steal the fiddle? Is that why he smashed it? To prevent Group 1 from getting it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3366 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the fiddler hear of Group 1's plan to steal the fiddle? FA. Is that why he smashed it? No. To prevent Group 1 from getting it? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2376 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Group 1 plan to steal the fiddle? Acquire it in some other way? Was there a plan to acquire the fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3368 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Group 1 plan to steal the fiddle? No. Acquire it in some other way? Yes. Was there a plan to acquire the fiddle? As in a series of steps? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2378 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Group 1 plan to infiltrate Group 2? Join them? Were they planning to steal it, period? From Group 2? Get them to give it to them? Get the fiddler to hand it over? To buy it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3369 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Group 1 plan to infiltrate Group 2? No. Join them? No. Were they planning to steal it, period? No. From Group 2? Get them to give it to them? No. Get the fiddler to hand it over? Yes. To buy it? Though this was their original intention. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2386 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Group 1 only afraid of Group 2? Or the fiddler as well? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3372 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Group 1 only afraid of Group 2? Yes. Or the fiddler as well? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2407 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid of being spotted by Group 2? Being captured? As they went to get the fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3375 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid of being spotted by Group 2? Being captured? As they went to get the fiddle? None of these. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2412 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid of death? Of capture of any sort? Of not getting the fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3379 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid of death? Unlikely. Of capture of any sort? Possibly, for svv of "capture." Of not getting the fiddle? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2447 Registered: 4-2010 |
Afraid of getting found out? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3381 Registered: 5-2003 |
Afraid of getting found out? Not quite, but OTRT. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2451 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Group 2 want the fiddle as well? Did the fiddler plan on giving up his fiddle? Before his death? After? Did Group 2 ever believe they would have the fiddle at any point? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3383 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Group 2 want the fiddle as well? No. Did the fiddler plan on giving up his fiddle? Yes. Before his death? This. After? No. Did Group 2 ever believe they would have the fiddle at any point? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2454 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the fiddler planning to give the fiddle to his relative? Was the relative delayed? So in order to prevent someone else from getting it, he smashed it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3384 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the fiddler planning to give the fiddle to his relative? No. Was the relative delayed? Irr. So in order to prevent someone else from getting it, he smashed it? Something like that. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2459 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he planning on giving it to Group 1? Group 2? Someone in one of those groups? A third (or fourth, or fifth, or whatever number we're on) party? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3386 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he planning on giving it to Group 1? Group 2? Someone in one of those groups? Someone in Group 1. A third (or fourth, or fifth, or whatever number we're on) party? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2501 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the "someone in Group 1" one of those who planned to get the fiddle? Did the fiddler think he was? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3390 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the "someone in Group 1" one of those who planned to get the fiddle? Yes. Did the fiddler think he was? FA. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2509 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the fiddler ever know about the plan to get the fiddle? If so, was he told about it? Did he hear "through the grapevine"? Did he overhear the group discussing it? Does anyone in Group 1 die over the course of events? Group 2? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3393 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the fiddler ever know about the plan to get the fiddle? Yes. If so, was he told about it? Did he hear "through the grapevine"? Did he overhear the group discussing it? While all are likely, this is most relevant. Does anyone in Group 1 die over the course of events? Group 2? No to both. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2726 Registered: 9-2009 |
So the fiddler first wanted group 1 to get the fiddle? But later changed his mind? Did he change his mind because they were cowards? If he hadn't smashed the fiddle, would group 1 have gotten it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3396 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the fiddler first wanted group 1 to get the fiddle? Yes. But later changed his mind? Yes. Did he change his mind because they were cowards? Yes, but there's more to it than that. If he hadn't smashed the fiddle, would group 1 have gotten it? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2541 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Group 1 actually reach the fiddler? But changed their mind about getting it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3399 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Group 1 actually reach the fiddler? They had the opportunity. But changed their mind about getting it? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2546 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they change their mind because of the guards? Were they afraid of losing the fiddle? To the guards? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3401 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they change their mind because of the guards? Yes, and... Were they afraid of losing the fiddle? To the guards? No to both. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2763 Registered: 9-2009 |
The guards and...something else dangerous? Something they perceived as dangerous? An animal? A trick? Did they make fools of themselves? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3404 Registered: 5-2003 |
The guards and...something else dangerous? Yesish; look out for an FA. Something they perceived as dangerous? Yes. An animal? A trick? Did they make fools of themselves? No to the rest. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2765 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the something else: a person? An object? Several people? Or objects? Weapons? Something the gaurds had? A rumor? Physical obstacles? Were they afraid of heights? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3406 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the something else: a person? An object? Several people? Or objects? Weapons? Something the gaurds had? A rumor? Physical obstacles? Were they afraid of heights? None of these. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2768 Registered: 9-2009 |
A noise? Weather? The Dread Pirate Roberts? Fire? Animal(s)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3409 Registered: 5-2003 |
A noise? Weather? The Dread Pirate Roberts? Fire? Animal(s)? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2554 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the something else: an idea? Something intangible? An action? Is a phobia relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3412 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the something else: an idea? Something intangible? An action? This. Is a phobia relevant? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2573 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the action happening at that time? Was it being done by Group 2? The fiddler? The guards? Group 1? Was the action being done at the time? Did it happen in the future? Were they afraid the action would happen in the future? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3414 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the action happening at that time? Yes. Was it being done by Group 2? No. The fiddler? Yes. The guards? No. Group 1? No. Was the action being done at the time? Yes. Did it happen in the future? Yes, though not under the same circumstances. Were they afraid the action would happen in the future? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2874 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the fiddler use the fiddle to do it? Did he play the fiddle? Make creepy noises? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3416 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the fiddler use the fiddle to do it? Yes. Did he play the fiddle? Yes. Make creepy noises? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2709 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid of the music? The fiddler's style of playing? Was the fiddler good? Very good? Maybe Group 1 thought, "Oh wow, we're never gonna be that good, so why don't we just get out of here"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3419 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid of the music? The fiddler's style of playing? Was the fiddler good? Yes. Very good? Yes. Maybe Group 1 thought, "Oh wow, we're never gonna be that good, so why don't we just get out of here"? No to the rest. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2740 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid of playing the fiddle? Of the fiddler's playing the fiddle? Of some action involving the fiddler? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3423 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid of playing the fiddle? This. Of the fiddler's playing the fiddle? Of some action involving the fiddler? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2749 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid that if they played the fiddle, the fiddler's fate would befall them? That people would hate them? That they would not be able too? Is a curse relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3425 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid that if they played the fiddle, the fiddler's fate would befall them? Not quite, but OTRT. That people would hate them? No. That they would not be able too? No. Is a curse relevant? Not really. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2750 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid that something would happen if they played the fiddle? Something bad? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3427 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid that something would happen if they played the fiddle? Something bad? Yes to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2786 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid if they played the fiddle, they would die? Be killed? Get arrested? By Group 2? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3431 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid if they played the fiddle, they would die? Be killed? Get arrested? This. By Group 2? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2862 Registered: 4-2010 |
So Group 1 had a chance to get the fiddler from the fiddle, but chose not to because they were afraid Group 2 would arrest them, correct? Did they know what the fiddler had been arrested for? Or did they think he'd been arrested for playing the fiddle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3432 Registered: 5-2003 |
So Group 1 had a chance to get the fiddle from the fiddler, but chose not to because they were afraid Group 2 would arrest them, correct? Yes. Did they know what the fiddler had been arrested for? Yes. Or did they think he'd been arrested for playing the fiddle? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2916 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they afraid that Group 2 would realize they'd stolen the fiddle, and hence arrest them for that? Or would the (potentially believed) charge of arrest have simply been playing the fiddle? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2917 Registered: 4-2010 |
Whoops - change "realize" to "believe" in the last post. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3435 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they afraid that Group 2 would believe they'd stolen the fiddle, and hence arrest them for that? Or would the (potentially believed) charge of arrest have simply been playing the fiddle? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2936 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was fiddling illegal amohg Group 2? In their territory? All music? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3437 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was fiddling illegal among Group 2? In their territory? All music? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2947 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Group 2 move up the fiddler's execution date because of his fiddling? Postpone it? In the scenario that Group 1 feared, would they have been arrested and: imprisoned? Executed? Relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3439 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Group 2 move up the fiddler's execution date because of his fiddling? No. Postpone it? No. In the scenario that Group 1 feared, would they have been arrested and: imprisoned? Possibly. Executed? Probably not. Relevant? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3033 Registered: 4-2010 |
Lemme try a recap... First, the earlier one: "A skilled fiddle player is held by Group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of Group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock." This has been established to be completely correct. The following information has been also confirmed: -The fiddler planned to give the fiddle to Group 1 before his death. -He also knew of Group 1's plan to get the fiddle. -Group 1 had the opportunity to reach the fiddler, but chose not to. -One reason for this was fear of the guards, and the other was the fear of being arrested by Group 2 for playing the fiddle. This correct? What's left to find out? You earlier said the specific songs fiddled were relevant...is it just one song? More than one? Is the song sung to as well as fiddled? Is it a satire? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3441 Registered: 5-2003 |
Lemme try a recap... First, the earlier one: "A skilled fiddle player is held by Group 2, awaiting execution for highway robbery. He has his fiddle with him and is playing it while awaiting death. Group 1 want to get their hands on his valuable fiddle, but because they're afraid of Group 2 they fail to do so. Before being executed, the fiddler smashes his fiddle on a rock." This has been established to be completely correct. The following information has been also confirmed: -The fiddler planned to give the fiddle to Group 1 before his death. -He also knew of Group 1's plan to get the fiddle. -Group 1 had the opportunity to reach the fiddler, but chose not to. -One reason for this was fear of the guards, and the other was the fear of being arrested by Group 2 for playing the fiddle. Hm, Reason 1 seems covered already by Reason 2. This correct? Yes. What's left to find out? -Why'd the highwayman want someone to have the fiddle? -Why'd he destroy it? You earlier said the specific songs fiddled were relevant...is it just one song? Yes. More than one? Is the song sung to as well as fiddled? Yes. Is it a satire? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3035 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he destroy it so no one else could have it? Because it was meant specifically for this group? Was it meant as a gift? For the whole group? Part of it? One person? Is the song a folk song? Did he teach the song to the person/persons he was going to give the fiddle to? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3442 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he destroy it so no one else could have it? Yes. Because it was meant specifically for this group? Yes. Was it meant as a gift? No. For the whole group? Part of it? One person? This. Is the song a folk song? Yes (though may depend on your definition). Did he teach the song to the person/persons he was going to give the fiddle to? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3443 Registered: 5-2003 |
Blooper: Did he teach the song to the person/persons he was going to give the fiddle to? Well, yes, but irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3055 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the person who was going to receive the fiddle part of the group that went to retrieve it (and later turned back)? Did the fiddler think he was? If so, did he assume that the person no longer wanted the fiddle? Hence he smashed it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3056 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the person who was going to receive the fiddle part of the group that went to retrieve it (and later turned back)? Did the fiddler think he was? If so, did he assume that the person no longer wanted the fiddle? Hence he smashed it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3445 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the person who was going to receive the fiddle part of the group that went to retrieve it (and later turned back)? Yes, but there's no specific person. Did the fiddler think he was? Yes. If so, did he assume that the person no longer wanted the fiddle? Members of Group 1 still wanted it, but not badly enough. Hence he smashed it? Not for this reason. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3076 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the fiddler no longer think the person was worthy of having the fiddle? Or am I OTWT? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3447 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the fiddler no longer think the person was worthy of having the fiddle? Correct. Or am I OTWT? Not at all, but you don't have the whole answer yet either. Getting close though. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3086 Registered: 4-2010 |
Despite their fear, does Group 1 still want the fiddle? And the fiddler thinks they do not? Do they ever turn back to retrieve it? But by then, it's too late? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3449 Registered: 5-2003 |
Despite their fear, does Group 1 still want the fiddle? Yes. And the fiddler thinks they do not? Not badly enough, anyway. Do they ever turn back to retrieve it? No. But by then, it's too late? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3104 Registered: 4-2010 |
So, to summarize: The fiddler is being held captive by Group 2 for highway robbery, and is awaiting execution. While imprisoned, he plays the fiddle. Meanwhile, Group 1 is planning to get the fiddle from the fiddler. The fiddler is planning to give the fiddle to one of the members of Group 1, and he knows of their plan to get it. However, before reaching the fiddler, Group 1 turns back because they are afraid that if they play the fiddle, Group 2 will arrest them. They still want the fiddle, but are too afraid to try to get it. The fiddler realizes that Group 1 has left (perhaps he even sees this), and, feeling that they are no longer worthy of having the fiddle, he smashes his fiddle on a rock before he is executed. After he dies, his relatives come and retrieve the destroyed fiddle. Naturally, this story is set to a catchy folk tune. Is this good? What's left to find? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3450 Registered: 5-2003 |
Close enough, I guess. *************** Singing Spoiler *************** Jamie MacPherson was executed in 1701. He was a well-known fiddler and owned a very fine and valuable instrument. On the gallows he played a tune now known as MacPherson's Rant, or MacPherson's Lament. Verses were added by Sir Walter Scott and Robert Burns, but the original composition is thought to be his own. The story goes that he played the fiddle on the gallows, then offered it freely to anyone who would play on it for him as he died. Afraid of official repression, no one stepped forward. So cursing them all for cowards, he destroyed the fiddle (Its reputed remains are now in the Clan MacPherson museum). Two of the verses: "'There's some come here to see me hung, And some to buy my fiddle, But before that I do part with her, I'll break her through the middle.' He took his fiddle in both of his hands, And broke it over a stone, Cried, 'There's no other hand shall play on thee, When I am dead and gone.'" It's a very good example of a "defiance from the gallows" song: "Oh, what is death, but parting breath? On many's the bloody plain, I've dared his face, and in this place, I'll scorn him yet again." | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3189 Registered: 4-2010 |
Excellent folk song puzzle! |
