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Although he tried to help; he only made it worse.

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He = HAM? (Human, Adult, Male, in case you're not sure what that means.) He 1 = He 2?

Are there other people involved? If so? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 10? 20? More?

Does someone die? Become injured? Is there property damage? Physical damage to a person? Mental damage? Is his job important? Is he supposed to help? Did he see the problem and come over to try and help?
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He = HAM? Yes to all. (Human, Adult, Male, in case you're not sure what that means.) He 1 = He 2? Yes

Are there other people involved? If so? 1? This 2? 3? 4? 5? 10? 20? More?

Does someone die? Become injured? Is there property damage? Physical damage to a person? Mental damage? Noish Is his job important? Yes Is he supposed to help? Yes Did he see the problem and come over to try and help? FA
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Is he a policeman? Fire fighter? Soldier? EMT? Other military personnel? Other medical personal?

Is the other person involved HAM? HAF? The one with the problem? After all this, is he "scarred for life"?
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Is he a policeman? Fire fighter? Soldier? EMT? Other military personnel? Other medical personal? This

Is the other person involved HAM? Yes HAF? The one with the problem? Yes After all this, is he "scarred for life"? No
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Is he a doctor? Is the other man his patient?
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Is he a doctor? Is the other man his patient?
Yes to both
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Is penoptes some sort of snake? Or other reptile? Is this relevant? Has the man been bitten by a creature?
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Is penoptes some sort of snake? It might be, I do not know all the different kinds of snakes. The Penoptes in the tile is not a snake, though. Or other reptile? Maybe, but not this Penoptes. Is this relevant? The title is as vague of a hint as people usually make them on this site, so yes, it is vaguely relevant. Has the man been bitten by a creature? No
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Is the patient sick? Injured? Near death? Does the doctor give him medicine? Perform surgery? Prescribe something?
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Is the patient sick? Yes Injured? No Near death? No Does the doctor give him medicine? No Perform surgery? No Prescribe something? Yes
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Did the doctor prescribe the wrong medicine? To treat another condition? Did it make the condition worse?
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Did the doctor prescribe the wrong medicine? Yesish To treat another condition? No Did it make the condition worse? Yesish

Giving straight yes/no answers is hard.
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Did the doctor prescribe medicine? Exercise? Is the patient's condition relevant?
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Did the doctor prescribe medicine? This Exercise? Is the patient's condition relevant? Yes
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Did the medicine worsen the existing condition? Or add another one to it? Did it interact badly with something else the patient was taking? does the patient suffer from: injury? Infection? Organ damage/malfunction? Malnutrition? Poisoning? Burns? Brain injury? Heart condition? Is it a chronic condition?
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Did the medicine worsen the existing condition? Yesish Or add another one to it? No Did it interact badly with something else the patient was taking? No does the patient suffer from: injury? Infection? Organ damage/malfunction? Malnutrition? Poisoning? Burns? Brain injury? Heart condition? Is it a chronic condition? This is closest
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Skin condition? Is it fatal? Is the medicine: ingested? Injected? Inhaled? Inserted? Topical? Did the doctor misdiagnose the condition? did the patient eventually: die? Get better? Is the condition painful? Debilitating? Unsightly? Dangerous? Is it an STD?
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Does the medicine prevent the proper medicine from working? Does it have no effect on the condition at all? Thus allowing it to get worse?
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Skin condition? No Is it fatal? No
Is the medicine: ingested? This Injected? Inhaled? Inserted? Topical?
Did the doctor misdiagnose the condition? Noish did the patient eventually: die? Get better? Probably this.
Is the condition painful? Debilitating? This Unsightly? Dangerous? Sometimes
Is it an STD? No

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Does the medicine prevent the proper medicine from working? No Does it have no effect on the condition at all? This Thus allowing it to get worse? No
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Does the condition affect the heart? Lungs? Head? Brain? Arms? Legs? Stomach?
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Did the doctor think the medicine was good for something it wasn't? Side effects relevant? Was the medicine for a disease with similar symptoms? Is the disease hereditary? Genetic?
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Does the condition affect the heart? Lungs? Head? Brain? This Arms? Legs? Stomach?

Galfisk
Did the doctor think the medicine was good for something it wasn't? No Side effects relevant? No Was the medicine for a disease with similar symptoms? Noi Is the disease hereditary? From what I can tell, yes Genetic? And I think this too
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Is it a neurological disease? Epilepsy?
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Is it a neurological disease? I'm pretty sure it is not. Epilepsy? No
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Does it affect the memory? Alzheimer's? Dementia?
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Does it affect the memory? Alzheimer's? Dementia?
No to all
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Did he have a stroke?
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Did he have a stroke? Assuming you mean the patient. No. And neither did the doctor.
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Does the disease affect: movement? Senses? Thinking? Sleep? Balance? Did the medicine worsen the symptoms?
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Does the disease affect: movement? Senses? Thinking? This Sleep? And this Balance? Did the medicine worsen the symptoms? Yesish
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Did the medicine make the thinking worse? Or sleep? Or both? Or something else? does the disease affect brain functions in addition to thinking and sleep? Does it affect memory? Did the medicine make anything better? Was it meant to? Could it have? Should it have? allergic or other adverse reactions to the medicine relevant?
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It affects his thinking: does this include mood? logic? perception? speech?
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Galfisk
Did the medicine make the thinking worse? No Or sleep? No Or both? Or something else? No does the disease affect brain functions in addition to thinking and sleep? Se Ohala8's question Does it affect memory? Did the medicine make anything better? No Was it meant to? Yes Could it have? Yes Should it have? Yesish allergic or other adverse reactions to the medicine relevant? No

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It affects his thinking: does this include mood? THIS!! logic? perception? speech?
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clinical depression? bipolar depression? generalized anxiety disorder? panic attack disorder?
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clinical depression? This. Good job. bipolar depression? generalized anxiety disorder? panic attack disorder?

If what I have said earlier doesn't add up with depression, it's because I know almost nothing about it.
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Why don't we call the patient Emilio?

Did Emilio go to the doctor only for treatment of his depression? Or for another problem? Is the doctor specifically a psychologist? Psychiatrist? General practitioner? Did he prescribe a medication? A therapist? A behavioral modification? Did the doctor realize Emilio was suffering from depression? As a result of the prescription, did his depression get worse? Stay the same? Improve? Did he commit suicide? Did he have another relevant condition? If so, did it get worse? Stay the same? improve?
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Why don't we call the patient Emilio? Sure

Did Emilio go to the doctor only for treatment of his depression? Yes Or for another problem? So no
Is the doctor specifically a psychologist? Psychiatrist? This General practitioner?
Did he prescribe a medication? Yes A therapist? A behavioral modification?
Did the doctor realize Emilio was suffering from depression? Yes
As a result of the prescription, did his depression get worse? Yes Stay the same? Improve?
Did he commit suicide? No, I know people usually die in these puzzles; but let us say he survives
Did he have another relevant condition? No If so, did it get worse? Stay the same? improve?
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Did the doctor prescribe an antidepressant? Was there a mix-up at the pharmacy? Or did they supply the correct medication? Was one of the side effects "depression may get worse" and, for Emilio, it did?
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Did the doctor prescribe an antidepressant? No Was there a mix-up at the pharmacy? No Or did they supply the correct medication? They did Was one of the side effects "depression may get worse" and, for Emilio, it did? No
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Did the doctor prescribe the correct medicine that he intended to? Or did he write it wrong?
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Did the doctor prescribe the correct medicine that he intended to? Yes Or did he write it wrong? So no
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Did he believe the medication treated depression? But it really didn't?
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Did he believe the medication treated depression? Yes But it really didn't? It hasn't got a 100% success rate, no.
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Did it treat a different type of depression than the man had?
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Did it treat a different type of depression than the man had? It is used to treat Emilio's illness, if that's what you wanted to know. It might treat other types of depression as well.
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Did the medicine not work? Did it have adverse effects?
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Did the medication negatively affect Emilio chemically? i.e. the chemical imbalance in the brain which causes depression became more dramatic as a direct result of the medication? Did it set off a chain of physical changes? Did it worsen the underlying cause of his depression (say, he was depressed because his wife was dead, and the name of the medication reminded him of her)? Did it set off a chain of events outside Emilio's body?
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Did the medicine not work? FA
Did it have adverse effects? No

Ohlala8
Did the medication negatively affect Emilio chemically? No i.e. the chemical imbalance in the brain which causes depression became more dramatic as a direct result of the medication? No Did it set off a chain of physical changes? No Did it worsen the underlying cause of his depression (say, he was depressed because his wife was dead, and the name of the medication reminded him of her)? Yes Did it set off a chain of events outside Emilio's body? Yes
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Did the doctor prescribe a placebo? and Emilio realized, which made him more depressed that even the doctor didn't take his condition seriously?
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Did the doctor prescribe a placebo? Quite right and Emilio realized, which made him more depressed that even the doctor didn't take his condition seriously? Almost, but close enough for a

*******************SPOILER**************
Emilio suffers from depression. He has worked as a doctor before, and when he comes home from the pharmacy and checks his medication, he finds he has bought obecalp (Or Cebocap). He realizes from his time as a doctor that they are sugar pills, sugar pills that won't work for him because placebo requires you to think they will work.

Because he has used a lot of money on something that won't work, his depression gets worse. And then better again because this story has a happy ending.

Thanks to Balin, Galfisk and Ohlala8 for trying to solve my first puzzle. And thanks to Biograd who got it on his first try, well done.
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The puzzles title was referring to the phrase "As sweet as sugar".
Penoptes, or Panoptes is the epithet of Argus/Argos from Greek mythology.

Argus is an anagram of sugar, just like placebo is an anagram of obecalp.

Sorry for double post. I don't think I can edit my posts

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