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Balin (Balin)
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A man is cleaning. A short while later, his wife expects to receive a whole lot of money.

Possible quickie
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He uncovers a 42ct diamond.

Is Stella the wife's name? Can we call the man Steve?

Man and wife = HAM/HAF?
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He uncovers a 42ct diamond. No, but good thinking.

Is Stella the wife's name? No, but you can call her that if you'd like. Can we call the man Steve? Sure

Man and wife = HAM/HAF? Yes to both
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Receive money:
Win the lottery?
A prize of some sort?
Insurance money?
Lawsuit?
Inheritance?
Injury-related compensation?
Money in exchange for an expensive object?
Money in exchange for a service?
Finding hidden treasures?
Job-related?
Government-provided (e.g. a grant)?
Something else?
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His = the man who is cleaning?
Is the man cleaning his own house?
Is he a maid to some Billionaire and his wife expects a large salary?
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Receive money:
Win the lottery?
A prize of some sort?
Insurance money?
Lawsuit? This
Inheritance?
Injury-related compensation?
Money in exchange for an expensive object?
Money in exchange for a service?
Finding hidden treasures?
Job-related?
Government-provided (e.g. a grant)?
Something else?

His = the man who is cleaning? Yes
Is the man cleaning his own house? No, but...
Is he a maid to some Billionaire and his wife expects a large salary? No
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Do the man and the wife live in separate houses?
Is the wife filing the lawsuit against her husband?
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Do the man and the wife live in separate houses? No
Is the wife filing the lawsuit against her husband? No
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Is he actually cleaning?

Or is he looking for something?

How many people are involved? 1? 2? 3? 4 or more?

Are any of the following relevant about any involved parties?:
-Occupation
-Hobbies
-Relationships
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Is he actually cleaning? Yes

Or is he looking for something? Hence no

How many people are involved? 1? 2? 3? 4 or more? The man, his wife, and two groups of people.

Are any of the following relevant about any involved parties?:
-Occupation This
-Hobbies Yope to this
-Relationships Yope to this - only the man and his wife.
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Are the man and woman happily married?
Do the man and his wife have the same job?
If yes, are they co workers?
Are the two groups of people the two parties of court, since you did say that this involves a lawsuit?
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Are the man and woman happily married?
Do the man and his wife have the same job?
If yes, are they co workers?
Are the two groups of people the two parties of court, since you did say that this involves a lawsuit?
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Are the man and woman happily married? Irrel, assume yes
Do the man and his wife have the same job? No, irrel
If yes, are they co workers? No
Are the two groups of people the two parties of court, since you did say that this involves a lawsuit? No, but...
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Does the man die horribly during the course of the puzzle? (This is the LTPF, after all.)
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Does the man die horribly during the course of the puzzle? (This is the LTPF, after all.) Yes ;-)
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Haha, I knew it!

Okay: is the man a professional cleaner? Is he cleaning a particular object? Or just a spot of household dusting? If it's a particular object, is it larger than a cat? Larger than an average car? Is he planning to use the object after he has cleaned it?

Is he using a particular kind of cleaning equipment? A vacuum cleaner? Is it 'cleaning' in the usual sense, or some figurative sense, like laundering money?

Does he use any relevant liquids or detergents?

Any non-human animals relevant? Does he get eaten by a crocodile?

Does his wife have a role in the puzzle, other than just being his widow who wins damages after his demise? Would it help to find out more about her?

Is he being paid to do the cleaning? Does he shout 'Stella' at the moment of death? Does he actually say 'Stella' at all? Is Stella Artois relevant? Or is he beginning to say something longer?
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Haha, I knew it!

Okay: is the man a professional cleaner? No Is he cleaning a particular object? Yes Or just a spot of household dusting? No If it's a particular object, is it larger than a cat? Yes Larger than an average car? Yes Is he planning to use the object after he has cleaned it? Yes, slight DOYD of "use"

Is he using a particular kind of cleaning equipment? Yes, DOYD of "cleaning" A vacuum cleaner? No Is it 'cleaning' in the usual sense, This or some figurative sense, like laundering money?

Does he use any relevant liquids or detergents? No, but...

Any non-human animals relevant? No Does he get eaten by a crocodile? No

Does his wife have a role in the puzzle, other than just being his widow who wins damages after his demise? No, and an FA which may or may not be an FA Would it help to find out more about her? No

Is he being paid to do the cleaning? No Does he shout 'Stella' at the moment of death? No Does he actually say 'Stella' at all? No Is Stella Artois relevant? No Or is he beginning to say something longer? No
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So he's cleaning an object, larger than a car, and it's fair to say that the puzzle is really about his death, so we'd be better off not concentrating on his wife and any subsequent courtcase?

About my FA: would the money be from a negligence case? Was some party actually negligent? Would it be fair to say that a person or persons caused his death?

Did he die of asphyxiation? Drowning? Shooting? Hanging? Shock? Impact with the ground? Impact with a blunt instrument? Frustration from excess puzzlement?

Is the object bigger than a regular terraced house? Is it hollow? Is it a cage? A room? An enclosed space? Is it made of wood? Metal? Plastics? Is it a swimming pool?
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So he's cleaning an object, larger than a car, and it's fair to say that the puzzle is really about his death, This is partially true... so we'd be better off not concentrating on his wife ...and this is also true... and any subsequent courtcase? ...but this part is VERY relevant.

About my FA: would the money be from a negligence case? No, same MFA (Might be a False Assumption) Was some party actually negligent? No Would it be fair to say that a person or persons caused his death? No, but...

Did he die of asphyxiation? Drowning? Shooting? Hanging? Shock? This - he was electrocuted Impact with the ground? Impact with a blunt instrument? Frustration from excess puzzlement? I wish ;-)

Is the object bigger than a regular terraced house? No Is it hollow? Yes Is it a cage? No A room? No An enclosed space? Yope Is it made of wood? Metal? Plastics? See next answer Is it a swimming pool? Yes!!
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Complete serendipity: I've no idea where that guess came from. Okay, this poor guy is cleaning a swimming pool and gets electrocuted. Is he electrocuted by the heating system? By an alarm? By some other component of the pool? Or by some electrical equipment he uses to clean it? Or by an extraneous piece of electrical equipment (like a heater or toaster)? Or by static electricity? Or lightning? Was it his own silly fault? Silly question, but was he actually murdered?

The courtcase: would this be a civil case or a criminal case? Is this something to do with my possible FA?
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Complete serendipity: I've no idea where that guess came from. My guess: your very lateral mind. Okay, this poor guy is cleaning a swimming pool and gets electrocuted. Yes Is he electrocuted by the heating system? No By an alarm? No By some other component of the pool? No Or by some electrical equipment he uses to clean it? No, but... Or by an extraneous piece of electrical equipment (like a heater or toaster)? No, but... Or by static electricity? No Or lightning? No Was it his own silly fault? Oh, definitely. Silly question, but was he actually murdered? No

The courtcase: would this be a civil case or a criminal case? Civil Is this something to do with my possible FA? Not really
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In the hypothetical courtcase, who would be expected to pay his widow:

the pool owner?
the owner of some club or premises?
a council?
the owner of some electrical item?
the electricity company?

(I'm still puzzled as to why his widow would expect a payout if it was his fault.)

Would his widow necessarily know that it was his fault? Would she be likely to think he had died from some other cause?

Was he of sound mind at the time he was electrocuted? Are overhead pylons relevant? Is he anywhere near an electrical power station?

Does he use an unconventional cleaning method? Is he trying to do the job more quickly than usual?

Does he misread or misunderstand any instructions? Does he own the pool? Are motor vehicles involved?

Does he have a pacemaker?
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In the hypothetical courtcase, who would be expected to pay his widow:

the pool owner?
the owner of some club or premises?
a council?
the owner of some electrical item?
the electricity company? This, and one other company you haven't mentioned. Although, by common sense, nobody should be expected to pay.

Oh, and this is a true story.


(I'm still puzzled as to why his widow would expect a payout if it was his fault.) Google "lawsuit" and "stella" and see what you come up with; that should answer your question. Don't peruse the site too much, though, as this case is included on there, and I'm planning to do a few more of these sometime in the future.

Would his widow necessarily know that it was his fault? Yes, but... Would she be likely to think he had died from some other cause? No

Was he of sound mind at the time he was electrocuted? Yes Are overhead pylons relevant? Close enough - power lines Is he anywhere near an electrical power station? Irrel - assume no

Does he use an unconventional cleaning method? No Is he trying to do the job more quickly than usual? No

Does he misread or misunderstand any instructions? Noish Does he own the pool? Yes Are motor vehicles involved? No

Does he have a pacemaker? No
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Did he have the pool built on a stupid spot, i.e. near some power source?
And because he was cleaning, he accidentally:

tore a wire?
removed a label?
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Did he have the pool built on a stupid spot, No i.e. near some power source? Yope
And because he was cleaning, he accidentally:

tore a wire? No
removed a label? No
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Is he listening to an iPod?
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Is he listening to an iPod? No
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Did the power lines fall into the pool? or did he throw something up over the power lines? or reach up to them with a pole or similar?
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Did the power lines fall into the pool? No or did he throw something up over the power lines? No or reach up to them with a pole or similar? Yes!! He used a pool skimmer.
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So I take it the other company that would need to pay was the manufacturer of the pool skimmer?

Did he touch the skimmer to the line intentionally? or was he simply not watching out for it?

Is there a particular reason these power lines are so low over the pool that it is possible to reach them easily? (most seem to be at least 20-30 feet above the nearest point on the ground)
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So I take it the other company that would need to pay was the manufacturer of the pool skimmer? Yes!!!!

Did he touch the skimmer to the line intentionally? Yope or was he simply not watching out for it? Yope

Is there a particular reason these power lines are so low over the pool that it is possible to reach them easily? Irrel, assume no (most seem to be at least 20-30 feet above the nearest point on the ground)

You've got everything except why he stuck the pool skimmer into the power lines. Once you get that, I'll $poyle.
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Did he realize that the power lines were, in fact, power lines? or did he think they were something else? for example, clothes lines?
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Did he realize that the power lines were, in fact, power lines? Yes or did he think they were something else? for example, clothes lines? No
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Did he misunderstand an instruction that came with the skimmer?
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Did he misunderstand an instruction that came with the skimmer? No. Recall that the lawsuit is frivolous.
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Well, I'd say any lawsuit that comes from understanding an instruction as "touch power lines while using" is frivolous...

Did he think that touching the power lines would make the skimmer more "powerful" in some way?

Did he just want to touch something, saw the power lines, and thought "those will do"? or did he touch them specifically because they were power lines?
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Well, I'd say any lawsuit that comes from understanding an instruction as "touch power lines while using" is frivolous... FA - there was no instruction relevant.

Did he think that touching the power lines would make the skimmer more "powerful" in some way? No, FA

Did he just want to touch something, saw the power lines, and thought "those will do"? No, FA or did he touch them specifically because they were power lines? No, FA
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I didn't mean for those two questions (the first was a statement!) to be referring to an instruction, I mean literally did he think those things (for any reason)?
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I didn't mean for those two questions (the first was a statement!) to be referring to an instruction, I mean literally did he think those things (for any reason)? No, and that's actually a different FA than the "instruction" one.

BLOOPER: "Did he touch the power lines intentionally" should be a Noish. That might clear up some confusion.
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Is he using a telescopic pole? Is this relevant?
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So he did not intend to touch anything? but he touched the power lines? even though he realized what they were?

Or he intended to touch something else, that was close to the lines, but ended up touching the lines by accident?
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Is he using a telescopic pole? No Is this relevant? No

So he did not intend to touch anything? No but he touched the power lines? Yes even though he realized what they were? Yes

Or he intended to touch something else, Yes that was close to the lines, Not quite... but ended up touching the lines by accident? Yes
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Did he insert the handle between two electrical lines? Was he trying to clean the pool from above? Perhaps in a cherry-picker or something? Or was he on the ground when cleaning? Or was he actually swimming in the pool and perhaps used the handle to steady himself?
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Did he insert the handle between two electrical lines? No Was he trying to clean the pool from above? No Perhaps in a cherry-picker or something? No Or was he on the ground when cleaning? Yes Or was he actually swimming in the pool and perhaps used the handle to steady himself? No

BLIG BOOPER: "...that was close to the lines,..." should be Yesish.
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Are these unusually low power lines? Did he try to switch the power off by poking at a switch connected to the lines? Did he think he was doing something to make him safer? Was he chasing birds away from the power lines?
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Are these unusually low power lines? Assume no Did he try to switch the power off by poking at a switch connected to the lines? No Did he think he was doing something to make him safer? No Was he chasing birds away from the power lines? No, but this is closer
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Is there a chance of a recap?
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Is there a chance of a recap? A pretty good chance, in fact.

RECAP:

A man was cleaning his pool using a pool skimmer, when he stuck the skimmer into the power lines for reasons yet to be determined, and he was electrocuted. His widow filed a lawsuit against both the power company and the store that sold the pool skimmer, seeking damages for her husband's death.

The only thing yet to be determined is the reason the man stuck the skimmer into the power lines. We have established that he was standing on the ground, he knew that the lines were power lines, and he was trying to touch an object which was "Yesish"-ly close to the power lines (but not chasing birds off the lines).
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Was he touching something that was not close to the lines, but in order to touch it he brought some part of the skimmer close to the lines? Was the something an animal? Did he intentionally bring the skimmer close to the power lines? Was his knowledge of electricity lacking in any relevant way?
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Was he touching something that was not close to the lines, No (HINT: I said "Yesish" because "close" isn't the word I'd use) but in order to touch it he brought some part of the skimmer close to the lines? Yes Was the something an animal? No Did he intentionally bring the skimmer close to the power lines? Yes Was his knowledge of electricity lacking in any relevant way? No
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Was the object touching the power lines?

Leaves?
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 1:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the object touching the power lines? Yes!

Leaves? Voila!

**********SPOILER**********

John Kincannon, a 46-year-old lawyer from Lemon Heights, was cleaning his pool with a pool skimmer when he noticed a palm frond dangling from the power lines. Trying to keep things nice and tidy, he tried to knock the palm frond down with the skimmer and was electrocuted. His widow, Francilene, filed a lawsuit against South California Edison seeking general damages, and also against Leslie's Swimming Pool Supplies (the company that sold the pool skimmer), for failing to provide a warning sticker on the skimmer saying it's dangerous for people to stick metal objects into power lines. (As if common sense wasn't enough.)

Their actions earned John a Darwin Award and Francilene a Stella Award ("honoring" frivolous lawsuits).

If anyone's curious, the early FA in the puzzle was because I don't know the results of the case, although it was filed in 2003. The case may even still be pending, as the wheels of the American justice system grind alowly. Very slowly.

Good job to everyone who worked on this puzzle, notably Woodworm for the dismissal. Expect more Stella Award puzzles in the future, and would someone please put my rulebreaker out of its misery? It's lingering longer than this lawsuit.

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