| Author | Message | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2734 Registered: 1-2007 |
A man kills himself then leaves the area in a hurry. Please explain | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 156 Registered: 6-2005 |
Man who kills himself = man who leaves the area? Did he really kills himself in real world, or it's something virtual? (ex. videogames, etc.) Is his death immediate or he has time to leave after committing the act leading to death? (ex. veins cutting) Does he leave the area with his own means? Walking? Driving? Or is he moved away by someone else? Relevant the way he commits suicide? If so, he suicides by gunshot? hanging? jumping from a 10-story building? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2735 Registered: 1-2007 |
Man who kills himself = man who leaves the area? Yes but be careful, all is not as it seems Did he really kills himself in real world, or it's something virtual? Something virtual (ex. videogames, etc. The answer is somewhere in that etc. Is his death immediate or he has time to leave after committing the act leading to death? (ex. veins cutting)Immediate Does he leave the area with his own means? No Walking? Driving? Yope to driving Or is he moved away by someone else? No Relevant the way he commits suicide? FA If so, he suicides by gunshot? hanging? jumping from a 10-story building? FA | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 157 Registered: 6-2005 |
Any games relevant? RPG? Movies? Drama? Musical? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2736 Registered: 1-2007 |
Any games relevant? RPG? Movies? This Drama? Musical? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 158 Registered: 6-2005 |
So the man is an actor who plays a certain role in a movie, and his characters inthis movie commits suicide, is that correct? And the one who leaves the area is the actor himself, not his character? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2737 Registered: 1-2007 |
So the man is an actor who plays a certain role in a movie, and his characters inthis movie commits suicide, is that correct? No it's not i'm afraid. The title strange suicide was slight mischievous as there is no suicide in this puzzle And the one who leaves the area is the actor himself, not his character? No it's his character | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 160 Registered: 6-2005 |
Back to the puzzle statement, you say that "a man kills himself". Is it a real "killing", intended as a murder, or the verb "to kill" has some other meaning here? Long-distance shot: the actor (A) plays the role of a certain character (B) who, in the movie, kills a second character (C), but this character is actually the actor A himself played by some other actor? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2738 Registered: 1-2007 |
Back to the puzzle statement, you say that "a man kills himself". Is it a real "killing", intended as a murder, or the verb "to kill" has some other meaning here? It's a real killing albeit in the sense that it occurred in a movie Long-distance shot: the actor (A) plays the role of a certain character (B) who, in the movie, kills a second character (C), but this character is actually the actor A himself played by some other actor? Terrific idea but not right I'm afraid. Having said that you're thinking about this the right way | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 161 Registered: 6-2005 |
Ok, back to the basics of the puzzle, are these statements correct: Is there an actor (A) who plays a certain character (B) in a movie? Does B kills someone? In the movie? Does B leave the area in a hurry? Is "the area" the place where the murder takes place in the movie? Some other place, but in the movie? Or is "the area" some place not related to the movie? Is A relevant to some extent, or all the relevant elements in the puzzle are internal to the movie? and related to B? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1795 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is he an author? A scriptwriter? Does he kill off a much-loved character and incur the wrath of his fans? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2958 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is there another character playing the actor? So the character kills the "actor-character"? Then leaves the scene to avoid the police (in the film)? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2739 Registered: 1-2007 |
Ok, back to the basics of the puzzle, are these statements correct: Is there an actor (A) who plays a certain character (B) in a movie? Yes Does B kills someone? Yes In the movie? Yes Does B leave the area in a hurry? Yes Is "the area" the place where the murder takes place in the movie? Yes but you wouldn't necessarily call it murder Some other place, but in the movie? No Or is "the area" some place not related to the movie? No Is A relevant to some extent, or all the relevant elements in the puzzle are internal to the movie? A is relevant and related to B? not sure what you mean by this but I suffice to say A does something relevant while playing B | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2740 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is he an author? A scriptwriter? Does he kill off a much-loved character and incur the wrath of his fans? No to all . Were you thinking of Paul Sheldon by any chance | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2741 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is there another character playing the actor? Do you mean another actor playing the actor because a character can't play someone so I'll say no} So the character kills the "actor-character"? No Then leaves the scene to avoid the police (in the film)? Not the police no Wow these are hard to answer | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2742 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is there another character playing the actor? Do you mean another actor playing the actor because a character can't play someone so I'll say no So the character kills the "actor-character"? No Then leaves the scene to avoid the police (in the film)? Not the police no Wow these are hard to answer | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 165 Registered: 6-2005 |
While playing B, does A do anything which B is not supposed to do in the movie screenplay? Is the "killing" planned in movie screenplay? Is the "leaving"? Does A play these scenes exactly as planned? The reason why B leaves in a hurry: in order not to be seen? In order to escape someone? Police? Someone who could take a revenge? Someone who could have him arrested? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2743 Registered: 1-2007 |
While playing B, does A do anything which B is not supposed to do in the movie screenplay? No Is the "killing" planned in movie screenplay? yes Is the "leaving"? Yes Does A play these scenes exactly as planned? Yes The reason why B leaves in a hurry: in order not to be seen? This In order to escape someone? And this Police? No Someone who could take a revenge? Yope Someone who could have him arrested? Not sure i'd say arrested but I'll give that a yope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2984 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does B leave to escape someone in authority? Someone who knows the victim? A relative? Someone who knows him? And would be able to identify him? Is the cause of death relevant? If so, [LTPF list of ways to die]? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 52 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the character in the movie a writer / director who writes a story / directs a movie starring himself and makes this character 'die' after which he leaves? Is the 'killing' related to his leaving in a hurry? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2744 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does B leave to escape someone in authority? `Yope Someone who knows the victim? Yope A relative? No Someone who knows him? Yope And would be able to identify him? Yesish Is the cause of death relevant? Yes If so, [LTPF list of ways to die]? How do I describe it. Lets say traffic incident deliberately caused. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2745 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the character in the movie a writer / director who writes a story / directs a movie starring himself and makes this character 'die' after which he leaves? No to all of these Is the 'killing' related to his leaving in a hurry? Partly but there's another reason This puzzle is getting complicated so I'll give you a piece of advice. If you establish the movie's genre a lot of the grey area will be cleared up | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2987 Registered: 4-2010 |
Genre: Action? Drama? Thriller? Horror? Fantasy? Comedy? Romance? Teen? Animated? Did B sabotage the victim's vehicle? Was the victim in a vehicle? Or a pedestrian? And he was run down? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2748 Registered: 1-2007 |
Genre: Action? Drama? Thriller? Horror? Fantasy? Comedy? Romance? Teen? Animated? None of these but there's a good bit of action in it Did B sabotage the victim's vehicle? Yope but no to vehicle Was the victim in a vehicle? No Or a pedestrian? Not this either And he was run down? No | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 168 Registered: 6-2005 |
In the puzzle statement you define the victim as "himself". Is this "himself" human? Age, sex relevant? Does he have anything in common with A or with B? Name, lookalike, etc? Movie's genre: Absurd (Monthy Python-like)? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1799 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is it a sci-fi film? Is he a time traveller? It's not that Yul Brynner film where he plays a robot, is it? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2749 Registered: 1-2007 |
In the puzzle statement you define the victim as "himself". That's right Is this "himself" human? Age, sex relevant? Does he have anything in common with A or with B? lets call the victim C and he is played by actor A just like character B Name, lookalike, etc? Movie's genre: Absurd (Monthy Python-like)? No | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2750 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is it a sci-fi film? Is he a time traveller? No to both It's not that Yul Brynner film where he plays a robot, is it? Not West World i'm afraid | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 58 Registered: 9-2009 |
Please confirm that this is correct: actor A playes a double role: as character B, he kills character C, than runs away (for a reason yet to be determined) -- both B and C being played by A. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 59 Registered: 9-2009 |
Commedia dell'arte or something similar relevant? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1800 Registered: 3-2006 |
Kind Hearts and Coronets? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2994 Registered: 4-2010 |
Mystery? Is it "Sleuth"? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2005 |
Hmmm now what exactly do we have to explain? The reason why B leaves the area in a hurry? Is there a different reason from what is set in the screenplay? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2751 Registered: 1-2007 |
Please confirm that this is correct: actor A playes a double role: as character B, he kills character C, than runs away (for a reason yet to be determined) -- both B and C being played by A.All correct except he doesn't run away | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2752 Registered: 1-2007 |
Commedia dell'arte or something similar relevant?No fraid not Kind Hearts and Coronets? No but nice thinking Mystery? Is it "Sleuth"? Not this either Hmmm now what exactly do we have to explain? The reason why B leaves the area in a hurry? Is there a different reason from what is set in the screenplay? OK what you are looking for is basically a fascinating piece of movie trivia that I discovered recently namely that an actor playing a role kills another character also played by the same actor. The main difference between Woodworms guess of Kind Hearts & Coronets where Alec Guinness plays all the leading parts and kills them off one by one, and my movie is that the fact that the actor plays more than one part is not well known. The lateral part of this puzzle is well nigh complete but for fun I'd like you to get to the specific scene of the movie. It's a very well knowm film in a genre yet to be mentioned | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3023 Registered: 4-2010 |
Gangster? Western? Sports? Epic? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1802 Registered: 3-2006 |
Is it a war movie? A gangster movie? A musical? Does the actor (who plays the killer) act as a stunt double for the character he kills? A Western? Is someone on a horse? | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 1803 Registered: 3-2006 |
Sorry Balin: forgive my cross-post. | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2754 Registered: 1-2007 |
Gangster? Western? Sports? Epic? Non of these Is it a war movie? Yes A gangster movie? A musical? Does the actor (who plays the killer) act as a stunt double for the character he kills? You could say that it's certainly not clear that the actor is playing character C A Western? Is someone on a horse? This will soon become very obvious | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 178 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is the actor a native indian? Relevant? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2755 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is the actor a native indian? Relevant? No | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 850 Registered: 6-2009 |
Are B and C on opposite sides of the war? And B kills C in battle? Is it WWI? WWII? American Civil War? American Revolutionary War? Gulf War? Vietnam War? A fictional war that didn't really happen? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2756 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are B and C on opposite sides of the war? Yes And B kills C in battle? Not technically in battle though Is it WWI? WWII? This American Civil War? American Revolutionary War? Gulf War? Vietnam War? A fictional war that didn't really happen? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3041 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are B and C soldiers? Commanders? Were they meeting together? To form a treaty or something? Was C's death a war casualty? Murder? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2757 Registered: 1-2007 |
Are B and C soldiers? Yes in terms of general military personal but they do not belong to same branch of the military Commanders? No but one was ranked Were they meeting together? No To form a treaty or something? No Was C's death a war casualty? Yes Murder? So No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3049 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were either B or C foot soldiers? Artillery? Cavalry? Navy? Did C die from a gunshot? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2759 Registered: 1-2007 |
Were either B or C foot soldiers? C technically but in the scene he wasn't a footsoldier hint hint Artillery? Cavalry? Navy? All no for B Did C die from a gunshot? No as mentioned earlier he dies in an orchastrated road crash | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3063 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was C a driver? A navigator? Was B a driver? A navigator? Was C in a car when he was killed? Another vehicle? A military one? Was the crash specifically intended for C? Or was C just "wrong place, wrong time"? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2760 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was C a driver? Yope not the exact word you'd use but he was in control of the vehicle A navigator? No Was B a driver? No A navigator? No Was C in a car when he was killed? No Another vehicle? Yes A military one? yes Was the crash specifically intended for C? Yes or the next similar guy who came along Or was C just "wrong place, wrong time"? Yesish see above | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3070 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was C in a tank? A Humvee? Did an explosion occur during the course of events? Had the vehicle been sabotaged? Was the crash due to being rammed? An explosive? Loss of control? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2761 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was C in a tank? A Humvee? Did an explosion occur during the course of events? Had the vehicle been sabotaged? Was the crash due to being rammed? An explosive? Loss of control? Yope to loss of control no to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3120 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the vehicle travelling on the road? Was the crash due to a skid? Because of a foreign substance on the road? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2762 Registered: 1-2007 |
Was the vehicle travelling on the road? Yes Was the crash due to a skid? No but he did skid off the road Because of a foreign substance on the road? Not on the road as such but.... I'll give you a little hint in that I wouldn't have catergorized this mode of transport as a vehicle but according to wikipedia it is one. I've discovered that I had a scrund about what constitutes a vehicle. Thanks for sticking with this . I'm confident that the solution will provide one of those nice "Wow I never knew that" moments. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3127 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the vehicle have wheels? Skids? Was there a foreign substance that caused the crash? On the wheels? Did the wheels lock up? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2765 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does the vehicle have wheels? Yes but how many is the question Skids? Yes as a result of something else Was there a foreign substance that caused the crash? Noish but be careful On the wheels? Did the wheels lock up? Probably, after the vehicle came into contact with something | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3131 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the vehicle have one wheel? Two? Three? Four? More? Was it an ATV? Did any of the wheels fall off? And that caused the crash? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2768 Registered: 1-2007 |
Does the vehicle have one wheel? Two? This. It's a motorcycle . I was under the false impression that two wheeled modes of transport were not vehicles Three? Four? More? Was it an ATV? Did any of the wheels fall off? And that caused the crash? No to rest To help put this to bed quickly ask yourself can you think of a war movie that contains a motorcycle scene? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3138 Registered: 4-2010 |
The answer: Off the top of my head, no. The only thing I can think of is in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, when Indy sticks the flagpole into the motorcycle spokes, but that's not a war movie...why not, is that it? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2770 Registered: 1-2007 |
The answer: Off the top of my head, no. The only thing I can think of is in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, when Indy sticks the flagpole into the motorcycle spokes, but that's not a war movie...why not, is that it? No but I love that scene where Indy turns round with a big self satisfied grin on his face only to be met with an icy stare from Sean Connery. There is a more famous motorcycle scene in a war movie which I'm sure Woodworm would provide in an instant if he happens by this little puzzle | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3143 Registered: 4-2010 |
While we wait for Woodworm, I'll try and narrow down the movie. Is it: Patton? Tora Tora Tora? Schindler's List? Saving Private Ryan? Flags of Our Fathers? The Longest Day? Bridge on the River Kwai? The Great Dictator? Twelve O'Clock High? Catch-22? Inglorious Basterds? (that's all I can think of/know of/have heard of) If none of those, is the film from [LTPF list of decades]? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2772 Registered: 1-2007 |
While we wait for Woodworm, I'll try and narrow down the movie. Is it: Patton? Tora Tora Tora? Schindler's List? Saving Private Ryan? Flags of Our Fathers? The Longest Day? Bridge on the River Kwai? The Great Dictator? Twelve O'Clock High? Catch-22? Inglorious Basterds? (that's all I can think of/know of/have heard of) None of these but you've named pretty much every great war movie except this one If none of those, is the film from [LTPF list of decades]? I'll go one better and tell you that the movie was made in 1963. The scene I'm referring to is one of the most iconic scenes ever. Real boys own cool stuff | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3146 Registered: 4-2010 |
So thanks to the magic of Google (I admit it), I've found the movie, and the actor, (which I will not name, in case others still want to work on this, or in case Woodworm stops by) but I still have no idea how the motorcycle crash occurred. Was an object thrown at the motorcycle? In front of? At the rider? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2773 Registered: 1-2007 |
So thanks to the magic of Google (I admit it), I've found the movie, and the actor, (which I will not name, in case others still want to work on this, or in case Woodworm stops by) but I still have no idea how the motorcycle crash occurred. No feel free to name the movie. This puzzle is past it's best before date anyway Was an object thrown at the motorcycle? No In front of? something was put in front of the rider but not thrown At the rider? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3150 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK then... The movie is The Great Escape, and the actor is Steve McQueen, who, in the motorcycle chase scene, played one of the pursuing officers and the guy being pursued. Was an object placed in front of the motorcycle? Did the motorcycle hit it? And flip? Pop its tires? Skid? Was the object blunt? Sharp? A stick? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2775 Registered: 1-2007 |
OK then... The movie is The Great Escape, and the actor is Steve McQueen, who, in the motorcycle chase scene, played one of the pursuing officers and the guy being pursued. Correct but there's more which I will relate directly Was an object placed in front of the motorcycle? Did the motorcycle hit it? And flip? Pop its tires? Skid? Was the object blunt? Sharp? A stick? ***************SPOILER************* In the movie The Great Escape the king of cool Steve McQueen not only plays the part of one of the pursuing German motorcyclists but he also plays the part of german that provides McQueens character Lt. Hilts with his motorcycle in the first place. Hilts strecthes a wire across the road which the next passing german outrider (played by McQueen) crashes into and is catapulted into a ditch. McQueen then strips the presumed dead german, dons his uniform, nicks his bike and shoots off. Cue the famous motorcycle chase scene. So a character played by McQueen kills another character played by McQueen and then is chased by yet another McQueen character (again as a german outrider) and others, through the hills of the german swiss border before crashing into that dammed barb wire. I thought this cool piece of movie trivia would make for a nice lateral situation. You might have guessed that The Great Escape is one of my top 10 favourite movies. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3152 Registered: 4-2010 |
OK, now I want to go watch that movie. I've actually only seen one war movie from start to finish, and ironically, I forgot to include it in my list. (It's Stalag 17, which is up there on my "top movies" list.) | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 2776 Registered: 1-2007 |
If you like all star casts then The Great Escape is the movie for you. |
