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Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They killed each other. One won, one lost.
Mattiel (Mattiel)
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How many are "they"? 2? More?
Are the one who won and the one who lost part of "they"?
Both of them HAM?
Both of them died? If "they" are more than 2, does everybody belonging to "they" die?
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Are "they" in a war? A duel? Did they literally kill each other (as in, ending their life)? Metaphorically? Cause of death important? If so, [LTPF list of untimely ways to die]? Is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI?
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@Mattiel
How many are "they"? 2? More? This
Are the one who won and the one who lost part of "they"? Yes
Both of them HAM? Yes
Both of them died? FA If "they" are more than 2, does everybody belonging to "they" die? No
@Balin
Are "they" in a war? This A duel? Did they literally kill each other (as in, ending their life)? Yes Metaphorically? So, no Cause of death important? Yesish If so, [LTPF list of untimely ways to die]? Killed in battle Is this a true story? Yes, AFAIK FYOI? FSEI? I don't understand these acronyms, maybe if you spell them out...
Balin (Balin)
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FYOI = From Your Own Imagination

FSEI = From Someone Else's Imagination


Are "they" on opposing sides? Are they two countries? Is the specific war relevant? If so, did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries]?
Mattiel (Mattiel)
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So to correct my statement, a certain number of persons which are part of "they" is killed, but not our two heroes, the one who won (let's call him Walter) and the one who lost (Luke), is that correct?

Did Walter win the same thing that Luke lost? The battle? The war? Fame? Reputation?
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****** BLOOPER ALERT******

The answer to "Are the one who won and the one who lost part of "they"? should have been Noish, at least for the purpose of this puzzle


@Balin
Are "they" on opposing sides? Noish, as per the above-mentioned alert Are they two countries? Two countries were involved in battle, yes Is the specific war relevant? The theme of this puzzle can be found out without knowing the specifics involved. Trying to discover them might be a quicker way to solve it for those already knowing the event. For the others, might be only loss of time If so, did it happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 15th

@Mattiel
So to correct my statement, a certain number of persons which are part of "they" is killed, but not our two heroes, the one who won (let's call him Walter) and the one who lost (Luke), is that correct? Correct, indeed

Did Walter win the same thing that Luke lost? Yes The battle? This one The war? And eventually this Fame? Reputation? Yesish to both. That added to one's fame and reputation and consequently diminished the other's
Mattiel (Mattiel)
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Did Walter and Luke take active part of the battle? Or were they the respective chiefs/generals of the two opponent parties?

More generally, I fear I don't understand what we really need to find in the puzzle! :-)
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Did Walter and Luke take active part of the battle? Yesish Or were they the respective chiefs/generals of the two opponent parties? And also that

More generally, I fear I don't understand what we really need to find in the puzzle! :-) Not much. The battle was fought in some unusual cicumstances, so finding out why 'they' killed each other will solve it immediately
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So "they" were not killing each other simply because they were at war?
Or does "killing each other" also include killing members on the same side?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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So "they" were not killing each other simply because they were at war? No
Or does "killing each other" also include killing members on the same side? THIS is the main point. Good thinking! Discovering why they did this is the last thing to be found out
Balin (Balin)
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Was Walter a double agent? Was Luke? Did killing members on the same side help their cause? Help their side's cause? Were any of the people killed double agents?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Was Walter a double agent? No Was Luke? No Did killing members on the same side help their cause? They didn't have a common cause, if that's what you mean; see below Help their side's cause? Helped one of the sides, but not the one whose members killed each other Were any of the people killed double agents? No
Balin (Balin)
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Was Walter's side helped? Was Luke? Was the killing of members on the same side done on purpose? Accidentally? Through mistaken identity?
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Was Walter's side helped? Was Luke? One of these. Let us call it Walter's Was the killing of members on the same side done on purpose? No Accidentally? Through mistaken identity? THIS one. Good point!
Balin (Balin)
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Did Luke's side kill members on their own side? Did they think they were killing Walter's troops?
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2010 - 10:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Luke's side kill members on their own side? Indeed Did they think they were killing Walter's troops? Noish.

Since we've discovered enough about this event, it's time for a

******SPOILER******

Luke at some point put together an army and marched against a neighbouring country. Realizing that a face-to-face defense was pointless, Walter devised an ambush, whereby he and his men, dressed as the enemy, attacked the opposite army at night, attempting to provoke chaos and to kill Luke himself. Luke escaped however but chaos was all over and even though the army recovered, after a few attempts they had to retreat. In the history of the two countries, this is known as 'The Night Attack'.

Our Luke is Mehmed the 2nd (el Fatih = the Conqueror), sultan of the Ottoman Empire. His opponent, our Walter, is Vlad the Impaler, prince of Wallachia, better known to foreigners as Dracula.

Thank you to all for contributing

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