| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3454 Registered: 5-2003 |
A few days ago, I learned something that makes for another interesting folk music puzzle. It concerns the origin of the unusual name of a particular Scottish band. Your goal is to work out the name, find what's unusual about it and why. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2139 Registered: 1-2001 |
Hmmmmm.... Does the band's name contain the name of a - food? animal? school? tool? car? landmark? city? country? geographical area? famous person? little-known person? component of the solar system? color? number? letter of the alphabet? body of water? type of clothing? name of a business? slogan? profanity? rarely used word or words? word or words that are difficult to pronounce? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3457 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hmmmmm.... Look out for FAs, by the way... :p Does the band's name contain the name of a - food? animal? school? tool? car? landmark? city? country? geographical area? famous person? Within certain parts of Scotland, he's famous. little-known person? But most people outside Scotland will never have heard of him. His name, btw, is not the unusual part of the band's name. component of the solar system? color? number? letter of the alphabet? body of water? type of clothing? name of a business? slogan? profanity? rarely used word or words? word or words that are difficult to pronounce? None of the others. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3371 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is his name part of the band's name? Does the name take the form of "Person and the Somethings"? Is there a noun in the name? A verb? Are there any words in the band's name? Any numbers? Punctuation marks? (I've heard of a band where the band's name is !!! - is this relevant?) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3460 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is his name part of the band's name? Yes. Does the name take the form of "Person and the Somethings"? No. Is there a noun in the name? Several. A verb? No. Are there any words in the band's name? Yes. Any numbers? No. Punctuation marks? No. (I've heard of a band where the band's name is !!! - is this relevant?) No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3410 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could the nouns be considered to be a list? Are any other people's names in the band name? Would the nouns be considered objects? Tangible? Intangible? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3465 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could the nouns be considered to be a list? Two of them, in a sense. Are any other people's names in the band name? No. Would the nouns be considered objects? Except for one, yes. Tangible? Yes. Intangible? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3435 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the word "and" in the band name? Do the words rhyme? With the name? Do all the words have something in common? With the name? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3467 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the word "and" in the band name? Yes. Do the words rhyme? With the name? Do all the words have something in common? With the name? No to the rest. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3441 Registered: 4-2010 |
Not counting the person's name, are there two nouns in the band name? Three? Four? Five? More? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3470 Registered: 5-2003 |
Not counting the person's name, are there two nouns in the band name? Three? This. Four? Five? More? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 236 Registered: 6-2005 |
Beside the three nouns, the person's name and the word "and", is there any other word? 1, 2, 3, 4, etc? Are there any adjectives? Is the person's whole name (i.e. name AND surname) included in the band name? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3475 Registered: 5-2003 |
Beside the three nouns, the person's name and the word "and", is there any other word? 1, 2, This. The words are "of" and "the." 3, 4, etc? Are there any adjectives? The person's name might be considered an adjective. Is the person's whole name (i.e. name AND surname) included in the band name? Just the surname. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3600 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the person's name in the possessive (i.e. Murphy's)? Does the name go "surname noun of noun the noun"? Do the "of" and "the" evenly intersperse with the nouns? (Does that make sense?) | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 239 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is the band name something like "surname noun and the noun of noun"? Does the band name include references to other artists? Or is it a pun on some more famous artists/songs/albums? (Ex. The Sergent Pepper's something?) Concerning the 2 nouns which are objects: Are these objects rare or common? Do they exist in nature or are they man-made? Are they smaller than a tennis ball? a basket ball? a chair? a car? bigger than a car? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3478 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the person's name in the possessive (i.e. Murphy's)? Yes, sort of, though there's no "'s". Does the name go "surname noun of noun the noun"? No. Do the "of" and "the" evenly intersperse with the nouns? No. (Does that make sense?) I think so. Is the band name something like "surname noun and the noun of noun"? No. Does the band name include references to other artists? No. Or is it a pun on some more famous artists/songs/albums? (Ex. The Sergent Pepper's something?) No. Concerning the 2 nouns which are objects: Are these objects rare or common? Common, though one is generally rarer than the other. Do they exist in nature or are they man-made? Manmade. Are they smaller than a tennis ball? a basket ball? No. a chair? Yes. a car? bigger than a car? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 242 Registered: 6-2005 |
Are the objects tools? Electronic devices? Pieces of furniture? Are they connected to one or more of the following fields: music, sports, religion, military, politics, theater, hunting, fishing, industry, transportation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3482 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are the objects tools? Electronic devices? Pieces of furniture? None of these. Are they connected to one or more of the following fields: music This., sports, religion, military And this., politics, theater, hunting, fishing, industry, transportation? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3631 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are both items connected to both music and military? Or is one connected to music and one to military? Is either of the items an instrument? Both of them? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3485 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are both items connected to both music and military? This. Or is one connected to music and one to military? Is either of the items an instrument? Both of them? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3639 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is one of the items a trumpet? Bugle? Drum? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3487 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is one of the items a trumpet? Bugle? Drum? This, and it's drums. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3656 Registered: 4-2010 |
The other instrument: Is it woodwind? Brass? Stringed? Percussion? The "possessive surname": is one of the nouns used with the surname and the word "of" (as in "the drums of Murphy")? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3490 Registered: 5-2003 |
The other instrument: Is it woodwind? Close. Brass? Stringed? Percussion? The "possessive surname": is one of the nouns used with the surname and the word "of" (as in "the drums of Murphy")? Yes, but now that I think about it there are two possessives in the name. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3667 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the instrument require a reed? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3492 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does the instrument require a reed? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3676 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a clarinet? Oboe? Bagpipes (don't know if that needs a reed)? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3494 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it a clarinet? Oboe? Bagpipes This. (don't know if that needs a reed)? Turns out it does. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3690 Registered: 4-2010 |
Interesting...I did not know that. So in the band name, we have: -a surname which is "-ish" in the possessive -"of" -"the" -"drums" -"bagpipes" Is this all correct? Did I miss anything? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3500 Registered: 5-2003 |
So in the band name, we have: -a surname which is "-ish" in the possessive -"of" -"the" -"drums" -"bagpipes" Just "pipes", actually. Is this all correct? Yes. Did I miss anything? The word "and." There's one more word, which might be harder to work out, though once you get in the right category I'll tell you. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3709 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the extra word a/an [LTPF list of parts of speech, including articles]? Is the phrase "drums and pipes" in the band name? Vice versa? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3503 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the extra word a/an [LTPF list of parts of speech, including articles]? Noun. Is the phrase "drums and pipes" in the band name? Yes. Vice versa? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3713 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the noun a tangible object? If so, is the object a tool? Electronic device? Piece of furniture? Instrument? Is it connected to one or more of the following fields: music, sports, religion, military, politics, theater, hunting, fishing, industry, transportation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3504 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the noun a tangible object? I wouldn't call it an object, but it is tangible. If so, is the object a tool? Electronic device? Piece of furniture? Instrument? None of these. It's also multiple. Is it connected to one or more of the following fields: music, sports, religion, military, This. (You had to know this was a military-history puzzle, didn't you?) politics, theater, hunting, fishing, industry, transportation? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 246 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is this last noun the name of a weapon? Of a war/battle? Of a military body? A military "position" (e.g. soldier, lieutenant, etc)? is it related to military service? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3505 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is this last noun the name of a weapon? No. Of a war/battle? No. Of a military body? Yes. A military "position" (e.g. soldier, lieutenant, etc)? Yes. is it related to military service? Yes. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 247 Registered: 6-2005 |
Recruit? Grunt? Is it a noun stricly used within the Scottish military, or is it used elsewhere? Is it related to army? Navy? Air force? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3506 Registered: 5-2003 |
Recruit? Grunt? Neither. Is it a noun strictly used within the Scottish military, This. or is it used elsewhere? It's been used elsewhere, but so far as I know is not used today in the same context by anyone else. Is it related to army? This. Navy? Air force? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 248 Registered: 6-2005 |
Colonel? Major? General? Lieutenant? Brigadier? Regiment? Battalion? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3721 Registered: 4-2010 |
No, I didn't realize this was a military history puzzle. *SMACKs self* And yes, I should have expected nothing less from a Jenburdoo puzzle. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3507 Registered: 5-2003 |
Colonel? Major? General? Lieutenant? Brigadier? Regiment? Battalion? The unit is one of the latter two, depending on context. It is a Highland regimental band -- of the Gordon Highlanders, to be precise. You have all the puzzle pieces now; put together the rest of the name, and then figure out what's unusual about it. Please don't look it up. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 250 Registered: 6-2005 |
So if I get it right, is the name "The drums and pipes of [surname] regiment/battalion"? Or rather "The [surname] regiment/battalion of drums and pipes"? Is "Gordon" the sought-after surname? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3510 Registered: 5-2003 |
So if I get it right, is the name "The drums and pipes of [surname] regiment/battalion"? Yesish... Or rather "The [surname] regiment/battalion of drums and pipes"? Is "Gordon" the sought-after surname? Yes. The name is "The Drums and Pipes of the Gordon Highlanders." Now for Step Two: What's unusual about this name? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3748 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is there an actual Gordon Highlanders regiment? Does this group consist of members from the regiment? Does the band have any drums in it? Pipes? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3513 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is there an actual Gordon Highlanders regiment? Does this group consist of members from the regiment? Does the band have any drums in it? Pipes? Yes to all. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 253 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is the "unusual" thing related to the grammar? To the pronounciation? To the number/order of the words? To one particular word out of the 8? To the meaning of the words? Any double/hidden meaning relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3514 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the "unusual" thing related to the grammar? To the pronounciation? To the number/order This. of the words? To one particular word out of the 8? To the meaning of the words? Any double/hidden meaning relevant? No. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 258 Registered: 6-2005 |
If the name of the band was "The Gordon Highlanders Drums and Pipes", would you still find it unusual? And what if you swapped "Pipes" and "Drums"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3516 Registered: 5-2003 |
If the name of the band was "The Gordon Highlanders Drums and Pipes", would you still find it unusual? No. And what if you swapped "Pipes" and "Drums"? Yes. Good work. The typical term for a pipe band is "the pipes and drums", but the Gordons call it "the drums and pipes" instead. Why? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 260 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is "drums and pipes" a typical expression in the military world? Do the Gordons call it that way because of a second meaning of one of the words, or of both of them? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3518 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is "drums and pipes" a typical expression in the military world? No, other military bands use "pipes and drums." Do the Gordons call it that way because of a second meaning of one of the words, or of both of them? No. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 262 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was there another "pipes and drums" band from the same regiment, so that they swapped the words in order to mark the difference? The reason why they chose this unusual name, is it related to: the band itself? the regiment? the music style? the instruments they use? Is it a geographical reason? an historical one? political? religious? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3520 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was there another "pipes and drums" band from the same regiment, so that they swapped the words in order to mark the difference? No. The reason why they chose this unusual name, is it related to: the band itself? the regiment? the music style? the instruments they use? This. Is it a geographical reason? an historical one? This. political? And this. religious? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 264 Registered: 6-2005 |
Do they have more musician playing drums than pipes? Do they actually have musicians playing drums? Pipes? Other instruments? Relevant the military grade of the musicians? Maybe drums are played by higher-grade soldiers? Relevant when they formed? If so, LTFP list of centuries/decades? Any symbols/logos involved? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3523 Registered: 5-2003 |
Do they have more musician playing drums than pipes? Irr. Do they actually have musicians playing drums? Yes. Pipes? Yes. Other instruments? Irr. Relevant the military grade of the musicians? No. Maybe drums are played by higher-grade soldiers? Irr. Relevant when they formed? Yes. If so, LTFP list of centuries/decades? 1790s. Any symbols/logos involved? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3803 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the phrase "drums and pipes" used in the 1790s instead of "pipes and drums"? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3804 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the phrase "drums and pipes" used in the 1790s instead of "pipes and drums"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3525 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the phrase "drums and pipes" used in the 1790s instead of "pipes and drums"? Not necessarily; just by this unit, I think. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3810 Registered: 4-2010 |
You say politics is relevant...was the name used as a protest of some sort? A satire? In support? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3526 Registered: 5-2003 |
You say politics is relevant...was the name used as a protest of some sort? A satire? In support? None of these. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 268 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did they choose this name in order to: differentiate their band from something/someone else? emphasize something? send a message to someone? create a slogan? represent something/someone? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3530 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they choose this name in order to: differentiate their band from something/someone else? emphasize something? Close. send a message to someone? create a slogan? represent something/someone? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 270 Registered: 6-2005 |
I have the feeling of turning around and coming back to the same point... Did they want to emphasize their instruments? Their music? Their political "membership"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3531 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they want to emphasize their instruments? This. Their music? Their political "membership"? The political aspect of their choice of words is minor, and reflects a state of society at the time they were raised. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3853 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the state of society chaotic? Horrific? Or is it a system of government we're trying to find? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3535 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the state of society chaotic? Horrific? Or is it a system of government we're trying to find? No to all. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 275 Registered: 6-2005 |
What were they willing to emphasize about their instruments: their shape? quality? sound? price? model? decoration? color? material? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3546 Registered: 5-2003 |
What were they willing to emphasize about their instruments: their shape? quality? sound? price? model? decoration? color? material? None of these. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3910 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they emphasizing a physical aspect of the instruments? How many instruments there are? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3551 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are they emphasizing a physical aspect of the instruments? No. How many instruments there are? No. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 278 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did they use a particular type of drums with respect to the other bands? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3554 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they use a particular type of drums with respect to the other bands? A different kind? No, or irr. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 288 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is there anything relevant about their drums (that they are willing to emphasize), or we are on the wrong track? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3556 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is there anything relevant about their drums (that they are willing to emphasize), Yes. or we are on the wrong track? The drums themselves aren't all that important. The question is why they come ahead of the pipes, unlike in all other pipe bands? As a hint, remember that Scottish nationalism was crushed a short time (well, fifty years) before the regiment was raised. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 299 Registered: 6-2005 |
Are drums (or pipes) more traditionally Scottish (English) instruments? Are they willing to affirm their Scottish nationalism by choosing this name? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3560 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are drums (or pipes) more traditionally Scottish (English) instruments? Pipes are the traditional Scottish instrument, while drums are common to all regiments regardless of country. Are they willing to affirm their Scottish nationalism by choosing this name? Not this. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 319 Registered: 6-2005 |
So, on the contrary, did they intend to affirm their support to English/British Crown, against any Scottish nationalism? I guess I should know more about Scotland history to solve this easily... | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3561 Registered: 5-2003 |
So, on the contrary, did they intend to affirm their support to English/British Crown, against any Scottish nationalism? Something like this. I guess I should know more about Scotland history to solve this easily... Well, it has to do with the status of pipes at the time, which you can probably guess at. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4036 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were pipes considered a "lower," secondary, or base instrument? When compared to drums? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3563 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were pipes considered a "lower," secondary Close!, or base instrument? Yes, in a sense. When compared to drums? Yes. Normally it's the other way around, but not at the time this occurred. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4040 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were drums considered a primary/"higher" instrument in England? So by naming themselves "the drums and pipes...", they were putting England ahead of Scotland? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3564 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were drums considered a primary/"higher" instrument in England? Yes, but... So by naming themselves "the drums and pipes...", they were putting England ahead of Scotland? The reason is much simpler than this. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4050 Registered: 4-2010 |
So by putting the drums first, the band was showing their support of English rule? Of English rule over Scotland? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3566 Registered: 5-2003 |
So by putting the drums first, the band was showing their support of English rule? Not as such. Hint: They had no choice. Of English rule over Scotland? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4092 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the English rule force them to put drums first? Would they have been arrested for putting pipes first, and thus, showing loyalty to Scotland? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3567 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the English rule force them to put drums first? Yes, in more ways than one. Would they have been arrested for putting pipes first, and thus, showing loyalty to Scotland? Hint: There are two meanings to the term "no choice." | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4103 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they not choose the name? Was the name given to them? By the English rule? My brain's exhausted - I'm going to bed. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3569 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they not choose the name? Was the name given to them? By the English rule? Something like that. Hint: The name was initially different. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4115 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the name changed? By the English rule? From "pipes and drums" to "drums and pipes"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3571 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the name changed? Yes. By the English rule? No. From "pipes and drums" to "drums and pipes"? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4126 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the original name include "Drums"? "Pipes"? Did they change the name? Under duress? From English loyalists? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3573 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the original name include "Drums"? Yes. "Pipes"? No. Did they change the name? Eventually. Under duress? No. From English loyalists? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4184 Registered: 4-2010 |
So they changed their name to add "pipes," right? Were they originally forced to not include "pipes"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3575 Registered: 5-2003 |
So they changed their name to add "pipes," right? Eventually. Were they originally forced to not include "pipes"? Correct. Why? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4194 Registered: 4-2010 |
Because they were a Scottish band? And to include "pipes" in their name would have been to show Scottish loyalty? So they had to settle for being "drums," or be duly punished? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3577 Registered: 5-2003 |
Because they were a Scottish band? And to include "pipes" in their name would have been to show Scottish loyalty? The answer is simpler than this. So they had to settle for being "drums," or be duly punished? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4200 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they forced not to include "pipes" to show English loyalty? Whether or not the band was actually loyal to England? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3579 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they forced not to include "pipes" to show English loyalty? Still simpler. Hint: Why would they name the band after pipes and drums? Whether or not the band was actually loyal to England? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4210 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was naming the band after pipes and drums a Scottish tradition? A Scottish military tradition? But England would have none of that? So forced them to drop "pipes"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3582 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was naming the band after pipes and drums a Scottish tradition? A Scottish military tradition? But England would have none of that? So forced them to drop "pipes"? You've had an FA for the last several questions. Break it and you'll have the puzzle solved. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3583 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hint: You're focusing too much on the name. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 339 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was the band actually formed by Scottish people? Or were they English? Maybe because for some historical reason, at that moment the King only wanted English persons in the army? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3584 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the band actually formed by Scottish people? Yes. Or were they English? Maybe because for some historical reason, at that moment the King only wanted English persons in the army? He only wanted English somethings. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 341 Registered: 6-2005 |
He only wanted English musicians? Instruments? Musical pieces? Names? Is this something directly related to the band? To their instruments? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3585 Registered: 5-2003 |
He only wanted English musicians? Instruments? This. Musical pieces? Names? Is this something directly related to the band? To their instruments? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4307 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were drums considered principally an English instrument? While pipes were considered a Scottish one? So the king did not want a Scottish instrument in the band name? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3587 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were drums considered principally an English instrument? While pipes were considered a Scottish one? This. So the king did not want a Scottish instrument in the band name? Well, it wasn't in the band name for a much simpler reason than that. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4312 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they not insert a Scottish instrument in the band name to show loyalty to England? Because they knew they would be arrested or something if they had a Scottish instrument in the band name? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3589 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they not insert a Scottish instrument in the band name to show loyalty to England? Yes, meaning? Because they knew they would be arrested or something if they had a Scottish instrument in the band name? Yes, because? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4331 Registered: 4-2010 |
Loyalty...to the English cause? Was it illegal to show loyalty to Scotland? So they could not insert "pipes" in the band name? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3592 Registered: 5-2003 |
Loyalty...to the English cause? Yesss... Was it illegal to show loyalty to Scotland? Yes. So they could not insert "pipes" in the band name? Because....? You're completely ignoring something that's quite important. I won't call it a false assumption because it's more of a correct assumption that you are failing to make at all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4346 Registered: 4-2010 |
Because England, at the time, had rule over Scotland? Was trying to take rule from Scotland? Was trying to suppress a Scottish rebellion? Or other revolutionary group trying to retake the throne? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3600 Registered: 5-2003 |
Because England, at the time, had rule over Scotland? Was trying to take rule from Scotland? Was trying to suppress a Scottish rebellion? Was trying to prevent another one. Or other revolutionary group trying to retake the throne? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4360 Registered: 4-2010 |
So by putting "pipes" in the band name, they would have been seen as supporting this upcoming rebellion? So they had to use only "drums"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3603 Registered: 5-2003 |
So by putting "pipes" in the band name, they would have been seen as supporting this upcoming rebellion? So they had to use only "drums"? Hint: Stop concentrating on the name. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4362 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they not allowed to even have pipes in the band? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3610 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they not allowed to even have pipes in the band? Correct! How did this influence the name and its eventual change? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4369 Registered: 4-2010 |
So the name, at first, would have just included "drums," correct? But later, they were allowed to have pipes? So they included "pipes" in the name? Did they keep "drums" first as a reminder of the past? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3613 Registered: 5-2003 |
So the name, at first, would have just included "drums," correct? Yes. But later, they were allowed to have pipes? Yes. So they included "pipes" in the name? Yes. Did they keep "drums" first as a reminder of the past? Something like that, but there's a simpler reason. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4388 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they forced to keep "drums" first? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2350 Registered: 1-2001 |
Any kind of pipes? Bagpipes? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3617 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they forced to keep "drums" first? No. Any kind of pipes? Bagpipes? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4403 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they put "pipes" second to show that it was a later addition to the group? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3619 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they put "pipes" second to show that it was a later addition to the group? Got it. *************** Wailing Spoiler *************** At the time when most Highland regiments were first raised, pipes, kilts and other Scottish traditions were banned. Eventually these restrictions were relaxed, partly as a recruiting gimmick. The musicians of the Gordon Highlanders got permission to play the pipes only after they had already used drums for several years. So, as the drums were "senior," they came first in the name of the band. For this reason, the Gordons maintain the tradition of referring to their bands as the "drums and pipes" rather than the more usual "pipes and drums." |
