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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Reading it only confirmed what Eric already knew - he knew because he hadn't heard the song. But the language only made it worse.

What's going on here?

Eric = he #1 = he #2
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he reading a letter? Is he being dumped? Does 'it' contain a quotation from a song?

Is it written in Eric's native language?

Random guess: Is he reading Braille?
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Is he reading a letter? Yope Is he being dumped? No, but OTRT Does 'it' contain a quotation from a song? No

Is it written in Eric's native language? Yes

Random guess: Is he reading Braille? No
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 5:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a rejection slip?
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Is it a rejection slip? No, but closer
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It's bad news, then? He has failed an audition, perhaps? An exam? A job interview? Is it a paper copy? An email? Something on a website? Is it a bad review? A negative critique from a tutor?

To get the obvious questions out of the way: is Macbeth relevant? Faulkner?
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's bad news, then? Yep He has failed an audition, perhaps? An exam? A job interview? This Is it a paper copy? An email? This Something on a website? Is it a bad review? A negative critique from a tutor?

To get the obvious questions out of the way: is Macbeth relevant? Faulkner? Neither, although you've given me a puzzle idea by mentioning Macbeth. Two, in fact.
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, we're motoring with this one. Was it a face-to-face interview? Or an online interview? A quiz of sorts? Was he asked about a song? A lyric? Did he misunderstand a quotation of some kind?

Was it a music-related job? A teaching job?

The language made it worse: did the email contain swearing? Or some form of words that rubbed salt in his wounds? Did it contain a wordplay? Or some sort of ambiguity?

Incidentally, is this a true story?
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 5:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, we're motoring with this one. Was it a face-to-face interview? This Or an online interview? So not this A quiz of sorts? Not this either Was he asked about a song? No A lyric? No Did he misunderstand a quotation of some kind? No

Was it a music-related job? No A teaching job? No, but it was an on-campus job. What the job was for is irrelevant.

The language made it worse: did the email contain swearing? No Or some form of words that rubbed salt in his wounds? Yope Did it contain a wordplay? Yope Or some sort of ambiguity? Yope

Incidentally, is this a true story? Yes
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 6:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, if I got it right, Eric receives an e-mail with a negative answer after a job interview; he already knew that the answer would be negative because he didn't hear "the song", but the written answer made it worse. Correct till now?

Is it relevant that the answer arrives via e-mail?

He knew that the answer would be negative for sure, or he just strongly expected that?

The song: a real song? a sound? any e-mail reception sound relevant?
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, if I got it right, Eric receives an e-mail with a negative answer after a job interview; he already knew that the answer would be negative because he didn't hear "the song", but the written answer made it worse. Correct till now? Yes

Is it relevant that the answer arrives via e-mail? Yes

He knew that the answer would be negative for sure, This or he just strongly expected that?

The song: a real song? Yes a sound? Yope any e-mail reception sound relevant? No, but OTRT
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have an idea, but not sure enough to send an e-mail, so I'll ask one question at the time so not to $poil too early

Did he apply for a job within the same organisation as he was already working?
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Did he apply for a job within the same organisation as he was already working? No
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Is there anything spesific we need to find out regarding the way his e-mail is set up?
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Is there anything spesific we need to find out regarding the way his e-mail is set up? No
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Was the e-mail sent only to him? Or was someone else in the address/cc fields? Would this have been different, had the answer been positive?
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Was the e-mail sent only to him? Yes Or was someone else in the address/cc fields? No Would this have been different, had the answer been positive? Yes, but probably not in the way you're thinking.
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Has it anything to do with the sender? Like a job offer might be sent from the manager or similar? While everyone that are rejected get a standard mail from HR?
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Has it anything to do with the sender? No Like a job offer might be sent from the manager or similar? No While everyone that are rejected get a standard mail from HR? No, but I will say that everyone who was rejected received an e-mail saying so.
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the "song" a ringtone on his phone? Did those accepted get a phone call, whereas those rejected only got an email?
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Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2010 - 9:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the "song" a ringtone on his phone? YES!! Did those accepted get a phone call, whereas those rejected only got an email? YES!!

Now why did "the language make it worse"? HINT: The answer has a slight Nimue-esque feel to it.
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Oh heck. I can never solve Nimue's puzzles. Was it a rap song? Oh it wasn't Mr Fury, was it? The fellow who rants down the phone?
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Oh heck. I can never solve Nimue's puzzles. I have trouble with them too - we're in the same boat there. Was it a rap song? Oh it wasn't Mr Fury, was it? The fellow who rants down the phone? No to all of these. The song is no longer relevant - just the language part needs to be deduced.
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We are now talking the language in the rejection mail he received, right?
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A computer language?

Or perhaps politically incorrect language? Jargon?

Txtspk? U can not has jobz. Rofl, u been pwned. Kthx. ?
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We are now talking the language in the rejection mail he received, right? Yes.
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A computer language? No

Or perhaps politically incorrect language? Yopish - think the other way round Jargon? Noish

Txtspk? U can not has jobz. Rofl, u been pwned. Kthx. ? Oh hai! No, dis nawt kurrekt. LOL tho
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So the language was politically correct? Did it make Eric angry?
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So the language was politically correct? Yesish Did it make Eric angry? More annoyed, per se, than angry.
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Was the answer a standard, non-personalized one? (I received so many of them last here when looking for a job, and they ARE very annoying)

Was there any mistake (Eric's name/position, etc.) in the letter?

Did they give a particular reason in the letter for not hiring Eric? Was this reason what caused Eric's annoyance?
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Was the answer a standard, non-personalized one? Yes (tiny "-ish") (I received so many of them last here when looking for a job, and they ARE very annoying) Yes, they are =P

Was there any mistake (Eric's name/position, etc.) in the letter? No

Did they give a particular reason in the letter for not hiring Eric? Yope - you're very close! Was this reason what caused Eric's annoyance? Yes, taking into account the "Yope" on the previous question
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Was the reason they give something stupid? Something not corresponding to reality? Something not corresponding to Eric's profile? Something they already knew before the interview, so that the interview itself would be unsuccessful in any way?
Or was it simply a "your profile does not correspond to what we look for"-style answer?

and of course, I received those letters last YEAR, not last HERE.... typing too fast, that's what you get... :-)
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Was the reason they give something stupid? Something not corresponding to reality? Something not corresponding to Eric's profile? Something they already knew before the interview, so that the interview itself would be unsuccessful in any way?
Or was it simply a "your profile does not correspond to what we look for"-style answer? This one. Which is enough for a

**********SPOILER**********

"Eric" is actually me, and this happened two days ago. I had had a job interview with one of the campus departments, and I was informed that I would receive a phone call within a certain block of time if I was to move forward to the next round of interviews, and an e-mail if I had been rejected.

A short while after the block of time ended, I checked my e-mail, knowing that I had been rejected because I had not heard my phone's ringtone (which is, indeed, a song). Sure enough, I had been rejected, but the answer upset me because they used politically correct circumlocution to tell me I did not get the job. The verbatim text was:

"We have carefully reviewed all the applications that were submitted and felt that other candidates were better suited for our current openings."

That aggravated me - if I didn't get the job, why not just come out and say "you didn't get the job"? There's no need to use softer language to try and "ease the pain" - no matter the language, it doesn't change the facts. I was annoyed for a while, but I got my revenge by making a puzzle out of this.

Excellent work, everyone: a lot of you contributed to the solve, notably Biograd, who made a key leap, and Mattiel, who got the final piece.
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Posted on Friday, September 24, 2010 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Update: they mailed me back my application and resume with comments. That gets them some points back.

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