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The least likely group to do that? Hardly!
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Group = musical group?
That = a song, an album, a show?
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Group = musical group? No
That = a song, an album, a show? No to all
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were they the least likely group to do that?
did they do that?
group of people?
that=action?
the word hardly relevant? or would it suffice to say no?
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were they the least likely group to do that? Some people would think so...
did they do that? Yes
group of people? Yes
that=action? Yes (tiny ish)
the word hardly relevant? or would it suffice to say no? I suppose I could have said "No" there - the point is that the group did, in fact, do "that."
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k, just making sure there wasn't some play on words.

any profession relevant? if so, LTPF list of professions?

was the group of people HAM? HAF? mixture of F and M?

did you think they were the least likely group to do that?

time period relevant?
country relevant?
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k, just making sure there wasn't some play on words.

any profession relevant? Yes if so, LTPF list of professions? Religion

was the group of people HAM? HAF? mixture of F and M? about 20 HC-Mixed, one HAM, one HAF

did you think they were the least likely group to do that? Definitely not (hee hee}

time period relevant? Yes, 21st century
country relevant? Yes, USA
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Is the spesific religion relevant? or could any of them do?

This thing they did, was that something that was planned (that people didn't think they could do beforehand, if you understand what I mean??)? Or did they perform the action out of the blue (something that made people go like - WOW, didn't think they were capable of that)?
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Is the spesific religion relevant? Good question - yes. or could any of them do? Christianity

This thing they did, was that something that was planned It was planned, yes... (that people didn't think they could do beforehand, if you understand what I mean??)? ...but I suspect people would have thought they were capable, but not willing, to do this. Or did they perform the action out of the blue (something that made people go like - WOW, didn't think they were capable of that)? No
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Any kind of charity relevant?

Is there an aspect about Christianity that makes it valid only for this religion?

Would they think that the group was unwilling to do it if it had been only adults? only children? only one gender?
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Any kind of charity relevant? No

Is there an aspect about Christianity that makes it valid only for this religion? Yes, svv of "aspect"

Would they think that the group was unwilling to do it if it had been only adults? only children? only one gender? No. HINT: There is one more HAM relevant to the story.
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Sunday school relevant?

The other male, is there something relevant about him? Is he related to anyone in the group? Is he the minister of the church?

Are we talking about a spesific variety of Christianity? If so, a local variety with just a few hundred followers? Or a bigger one (like the Mormons)?
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I really AM getting too tired here. Forgetting the most obvious questions. After all this is lateral and I have learned to take nothing for granted, lol

Is the other man alive? or dead? Is it Jesus?
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lets call HAF jane and HAM joe. The "other" HAM we will call Gerald

are jane and joe married?
are all twenty kids theirs?
do they run an orphanage?
are the kids adopted?
do they run a sunday school?
do they work in the church?

Does Gerald work in the church? Did he help jane and joe in any way?

and finally, to get this out of the way, is sex relevant in any way?
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Sunday school relevant? Yesish - see below

The other male, is there something relevant about him? Yes Is he related to anyone in the group? No Is he the minister of the church? No, but...

Are we talking about a spesific variety of Christianity? Yesish - two specific varieties; see below If so, a local variety with just a few hundred followers? Yope Or a bigger one (like the Mormons)? Yope, but Mormonism is not relevant

I really AM getting too tired here. Forgetting the most obvious questions. After all this is lateral and I have learned to take nothing for granted, lol

Is the other man alive? Yes or dead? No Is it Jesus? No

lets call HAF jane and HAM joe. The "other" HAM we will call Gerald OK

are jane and joe married? No
are all twenty kids theirs? No
do they run an orphanage? No
are the kids adopted? No
do they run a sunday school? Yesish - see below
do they work in the church? Yes

Does Gerald work in the church? Not that church... Did he help jane and joe in any way? No

and finally, to get this out of the way, is sex relevant in any way? No

RECAP and HINTS: Jane, Joe, and a group of 20 kids (to be more accurate, they're teenagers) make up a confirmation class at a congregational church (Jane and Joe are the teachers, though Joe is the more relevant one). They could be considered by some "the least likely group to do" something, but they did do it. The "something" involves Gerald, who is Yopishly a minister.

The fact that it's a congregational church is not really relevant; the key is that it's a church group.
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Gerald is not a yopishly a minister...
deacon? elder? leader of the confirmation class?

was the thing they did jane's idea? joe's? Geralds?
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Gerald is not a yopishly a minister... He's not a minister, per se, but he does hold a position of authority in some way.
deacon? elder? leader of the confirmation class? None of these - Gerald does not work at the same church as Jane and Joe.

was the thing they did jane's idea? joe's? This Geralds?
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did gerald get mad at jane and joe and the group because of the thing they did? did the thing they did affect him in some way?
is there a crucial difference between gerald and Joe's beliefs?
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did gerald get mad at jane and joe and the group because of the thing they did? I don't think Gerald knows...if Gerald knew, I'm sure he would get upset. Oh, and by the way, I'm part of the group of 20. did the thing they did affect him in some way? Noish
is there a crucial difference between gerald and Joe's beliefs? YES - excellent question! If you can figure out Gerald's profession, you'll know why.
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does gerald work at a church? Is it a Protestant church? Catholic? relevant exactly which kind?

is some particular job he does at the church relevant?
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does gerald work at a church? Yope Is it a Protestant church? This-ish Catholic? No relevant exactly which kind? Yope - remember, focus on his job.

is some particular job he does at the church relevant? Yes, svv of "church"
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About that yope. Do they have one and the same building where they have service or mass regularly?
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About that yope. Do they have one and the same building where they have service or mass regularly? Yes, DOYD of "service"

HINT: Gerald is typically seen late at night.
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Late at night, eh?? Are we talking satanism?
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Late at night, eh?? Are we talking satanism? No
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Is he seen late at night because his job require that of him? Would he be able to perform his task/tasks if he had mainly been seen during daytime?
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Is he seen late at night because his job require that of him? Yes... Would he be able to perform his task/tasks if he had mainly been seen during daytime? DOYD of "tasks," probably. I think you have an FA.
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Is Gerald's religion relevant? Christianity? Judaism? Buddhism? Islam? Hinduism? Is Gerald a Mormon? Does he work at a nightclub? A strip club? Some sort of club? Some sort of bar? Does he have the night shift?
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Is Gerald's religion relevant? Yes Christianity? This, but... Judaism? Buddhism? Islam? Hinduism? Is Gerald a Mormon? Does he work at a nightclub? A strip club? Some sort of club? Some sort of bar? Does he have the night shift? No to rest. HINT: Most people who see him do no see him in person.
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Do they see him on TV? In movies?

Random hunch: Is Gerald an actual person with the name Gerald?

Is Gerald [LTPF list of Christian denominations]? Ditto for Joe.
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Do they see him on TV? This In movies?

Random hunch: Is Gerald an actual person with the name Gerald? No, but he is an actual person.

Is Gerald [LTPF list of Christian denominations]? Unknown, see below Ditto for Joe. Congregational/UCC, but irrel

BLOOPER/CLARIFICATION: Some people would consider Gerald a Christian, and Gerald professes to be a Christian. Others (including myself) would not, although it is clear that he claims to be.
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Did they mimic or poke fun at Gerald? Or something that Gerald said?
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Did they mimic or poke fun at Gerald? No, but OTRT Or something that Gerald said? No
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Is Gerald a TV preacher? An inspirational speaker? Marketing Spokesman? Cast member of Saturday Night Live? Has he written a book?
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Does Gerald belong to a denomination that is very strict and conservative? One that is very unforgiving towards people who don't think like them? So in the group's thinking he doesn't behave very Christian?
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Does Gerald deny a core Christian belief? If so, does it involve the Bible? Sacraments? Trinity? Jesus as God? Forgiveness of sins? Grace? Creation?
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Is Gerald a TV preacher? This!! An inspirational speaker? Marketing Spokesman? Cast member of Saturday Night Live? Has he written a book?

Does Gerald belong to a denomination that is very strict and conservative? Unknown and irrel One that is very unforgiving towards people who don't think like them? Unknown and irrel So in the group's thinking he doesn't behave very Christian? Not the group's thinking - see below

Does Gerald deny a core Christian belief? Unknown If so, does it involve the Bible? Sacraments? Trinity? Jesus as God? Forgiveness of sins? Grace? Creation? Unknown - see below

That's all you need to know about Gerald - he's a televangelist.

Explanation: Most Christians I know, and non-Christians as well, would not consider most televangelists to be Christians because it's not likely that they believe in Jesus by the Biblical definition (belief with the heart, not the head) - rather, they have the head-belief, but use it to turn a profit.

Now what would be considered unlikely for a church confirmation class to do involving a televangelist?
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Watch him? Visit him? Use him as an example? Use his lessons? Read a book by him? Use a book?
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Watch him? Visit him? Use him as an example? Use his lessons? Read a book by him? Use a book? No to all - HINT: The people who would consider this unlikely are those who think that televangelists represent mainstream Christianity.
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Was Gerald making a personal appearance in your town? Or being featured on a local station (TV or radio)? Did the class do something that expressed their opinion of Gerald?

Did you guys "boo" him?
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Use him as a bad example? Throw tomatoes at him? Disrespect him in some way?
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Did the group show a form of respect to Gerald, that was considered unlikely by his (Gerald's) supporters? (Along the lines of: 'I wouldn't have thought those pagans be so smart')
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Was Gerald making a personal appearance in your town? No Or being featured on a local station (TV or radio)? No Did the class do something that expressed their opinion of Gerald? Yope

Did you guys "boo" him? No

Use him as a bad example? Yope Throw tomatoes at him? No Disrespect him in some way? Yopish

Did the group show a form of respect to Gerald, that was considered unlikely by his (Gerald's) supporters? No (Along the lines of: 'I wouldn't have thought those pagans be so smart') No

HINT: Any person or group could, theoretically, do this same thing.
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Any stage show? or protest relevant?
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Any stage show? No or protest relevant? No
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The thing they were doing; did they write something? say something? did they do it in the class? somewhere else? Were the two adults present when that yes-ish action was performed?
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The thing they were doing; did they write something? Yes, and... say something? No did they do it in the class? This somewhere else? Were the two adults present when that yes-ish action was performed? Yes...in fact, Joe was actively involved.
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Did they write something and THEN did something else? Or did they do something else while writing? If the first, did they print it? e-mail it? blog about it? send it in normal mail?
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Did they write something and THEN did something else? Yes, see below Or did they do something else while writing? See below If the first, did they print it? e-mail it? blog about it? send it in normal mail? This...they wrote something, then mailed it.
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Is it relevant where they sent it? or just that they did?
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Is it relevant where they sent it? Yes, very! or just that they did?
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Did they send it to their own minister? the TV station where Gerald was a televangelist? a newspaper? a magazine?

Was it a complaint? About Gerald? about televangelists in general?
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Did they send it to their own minister? the TV station where Gerald was a televangelist? This is close, but no. No to rest a newspaper? a magazine?

Was it a complaint? About Gerald? about televangelists in general? No to all
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Was it a "normal" letter? or did they write in some other style?
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Was it a "normal" letter? Yope or did they write in some other style? Yope
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HINT: This entire thing we did took a few months, and we sent more than one letter.
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...over the course of the few months, that is. We only sent one letter at a time.
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Did they send the same letter every time? revised versions? totally different each time?

Did tjey send all the letters to the same recipient?

The tone of the letters, were they positive? negative? neutral?
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Did they send the same letter every time? revised versions? totally different each time? This-ish - no to rest

Did tjey send all the letters to the same recipient? Yes

The tone of the letters, were they positive? This... negative? neutral? ...to this. More towards positive.
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Were the letters about Gerald spesifically? or televangelists in general?
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Were the letters about Gerald spesifically? No... or televangelists in general? No
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Did they send the letters to a different TV station? The head of the church/denomination that Gerald represented?
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Did they send the letters to a different TV station? No The head of the church/denomination that Gerald represented? Yope...
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Did they send the letter to someone Gerald worked with? to his boss? his wife?
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Did they send the letter to someone Gerald worked with? to his boss? his wife? No to all...
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Is there anything else relevant about Gerald, except being a televangelist? Is it necessary to find exactly what denomination/sect/church he was working for?
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Is there anything else relevant about Gerald, except being a televangelist? No Is it necessary to find exactly what denomination/sect/church he was working for? No, and I will

RECAP:

My confirmation class at church did something involving Gerald, a televangelist. Doing this thing involved sending letters, and this took a period of months. The letters were not sent to the TV station Gerald worked for, a different TV station, or anyone Gerald worked with (or was related to).

HINT: Who's left to send the letters to?
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...and recall, certain people would think that a church group would not do this thing.
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Well, that last part keeps confusing me more and more, lol

The recipient of the letters, was one person? an organization? Was the recipient also christian? same denomination as Gerald? the group? other?

What confuses me with that other part is that you said the letters were mainly positive in tone. So why would someone who didn't know your groups opinion of the televangelists find it strange that one Christian group wrote a positive letter about another Christian (even if it's a pretend-to-be-Christian, lol)? But my brain isn't working well tonight, so I guess I'll use the night to sleep on that problem.
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Well, that last part keeps confusing me more and more, lol

The recipient of the letters, was one person? This an organization? Was the recipient also christian? same denomination as Gerald? I cannot answer this question...you're missing something really obvious! the group? other?

What confuses me with that other part is that you said the letters were mainly positive in tone. So why would someone who didn't know your groups opinion of the televangelists find it strange that one Christian group wrote a positive letter about another Christian (even if it's a pretend-to-be-Christian, lol)? They would assume other groups, but not Christian groups, would write these letters. In more clear terms, people who assume televangelism represents mainstream Christianity would be more inclined to think that nonreligious groups would do this. And the positive tone of the letters should be a Yesish...my bad. But my brain isn't working well tonight, so I guess I'll use the night to sleep on that problem. Here's another HINT: As part of his televangelism, Gerald sells a product which is supposed to have miraculous healing powers.

That should (hopefully) help, and clear things up a bit.
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ok, I haven't looked at this puzzle for awhile, you guys sent the letters to Gerald right?

Did he respond?
did you order his product?
Did you pretend you were a nonbeliever asking him questions?
Did you pretend to be healed by his product?
Did you pretend you had bought it and it didn't work?
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ok, I haven't looked at this puzzle for awhile, you guys sent the letters to Gerald right? Yes!!

Did he respond?
did you order his product?
Did you pretend you were a nonbeliever asking him questions? Yes to all of these!!
Did you pretend to be healed by his product?
Did you pretend you had bought it and it didn't work? Well, that's an interesting story...

**********SPOILER********

"The Peter Popoff Prank"

In the UCC church I grew up in, the confirmation class pulled a prank every year on televangelist Peter Popoff, who sells "Miracle Spring Water," which he claims has healing powers. The year I was confirmed, we did this same prank...I don't know if he ever caught on.

My confirmation teacher ("Joe" in the puzzle) drafted a letter to Popoff using a fake name: "Natasha Xxxxxxx" (where the Xxxxxxx stands in for my teacher's real last name, and "Natasha" because that name spelled backwards is "Ah, Satan"; seriously, that's why we used that name). The goal was to see if he would believe "Natasha" was a real person, and would send us an "inspiring" response, along with a request to buy his "miracle spring water."

(Before I go further, we were indeed planning to order this product. "Natasha" indeed asked for the "miracle water," claiming "she" had a knee injury. We were going to test the water on one of my classmates, who indeed had a knee injury.)

Anyway, Popoff took the bait, sending us a response reading things like "As soon as I read your letter, God opened my heart to pray for you" and other stuff like that. He requested that we send exactly 17 dollars to get the "miracle water" (along with a packet of "miracle oil" that I think was included), and gave "spiritual reasons" why he asked for exactly 17 dollars; the 1 and 7 apparently had some "spiritual significance."

We sent in the money, and sure enough, we did receive a package which was supposed to hold the water and oil. I say "supposed to" because, although there was oil, and there was another tiny packet, the second packet was torn, and there was no water inside. (Ergo, we could not test it.)

We wrote back to Popoff (or should I say, "Natasha" wrote back), explaining the problem and requesting another packet. As far as I know, we never received a response.

(Interesting information about Peter Popoff: In the late 1980s, James Randi - see my "Stella #4" puzzle for more information - exposed Popoff as a fraud when he picked up radio signals showing that Popoff's wife was relaying personal information about attendees to the televangelist, who claimed to be receiving this information from God.)

So that's the tale of the Peter Popoff Prank. I'll bet not many people would expect a church group to do that to a televangelist!

Excellent job, everyone, especially Eli, who did most of the legwork, and La_sparky, who closed this one out.
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And there it happened again. I go to bed and the puzzle gets solved while I'm sleeping, lol

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