| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3743 Registered: 5-2003 |
Brown: "You call that a rescue!?" Smith: "Sorry about that, Sir, we had to do it." Brown: "You hit me on the head and tied me up!" Smith: "The alternative was worse, Sir." Both Brown and Smith are H/A/M. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5098 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the alternative have involved killing Brown? Killing someone else? A rescue: of Brown? Of someone else? Of multiple someones? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3748 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would the alternative have involved killing Brown? No. Killing someone else? No. A rescue: of Brown? Yes. Of someone else? No. Of multiple someones? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5102 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Brown a POW? Is this a military puzzle? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3750 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Brown a POW? No. Is this a military puzzle? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5103 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Brown behind enemy lines? In a dangerous area? Did the enemy see Smith? See Brown? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3752 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Brown behind enemy lines? No. In a dangerous area? Yes. Did the enemy see Smith? Yes. See Brown? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5115 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smith pretend to be taking Brown prisoner? Was the "hit on head/tie Brown up" planned? Improvised? Had the enemy crossed into Smith and Brown's territory? Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? On [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3755 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith pretend to be taking Brown prisoner? No. Was the "hit on head/tie Brown up" planned? Improvised? This. Had the enemy crossed into Smith and Brown's territory? No. Did this happen in [LTPF list of centuries]? 20th. On [LTPF list of continents]? Europe. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 142 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was this during WWI? WWII? LTPF list of countries allowed? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3757 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was this during WWI? This. WWII? LTPF list of countries allowed? It occurred in France. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5134 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Smith French? Was Brown? Were they from the same country? From a European country? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3759 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Smith French? No. Was Brown? No. Were they from the same country? Yes. From a European country? Yes. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 152 Registered: 9-2010 |
Germany? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3760 Registered: 5-2003 |
Germany? No. I'd've used Stein and Hans for their names in that case. Or Jacques and Cousteau, if they were French... :p They're British, but their nationality and, indeed, which side they're on, is irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5144 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were these two guys in enemy territory? On the battlefield? In an area with a high percentage of enemies? Spies relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3761 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were these two guys in enemy territory? No. On the battlefield? Yes. In an area with a high percentage of enemies? Yes. Spies relevant? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5151 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they infantry? Artillery? Cavalry? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3764 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they infantry? Smith could be. Artillery? Cavalry? No to the others. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5175 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Brown specifically sent to rescue Smith? Was Smith under fire? In the trenches? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3769 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Brown specifically sent to rescue Smith? No. Was Smith under fire? No. In the trenches? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 378 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Smith rescue Brown alone? Or was helped by someone? Relevant? Was Brown from the air force? Paratroopers? The worse alternative: was it worse for Brown? for Smith? for someone else? Did Smith literally hit and tie up Brown? If so, was this act seen by the enemy? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3772 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith rescue Brown alone? No. Or was helped by someone? Several people. Relevant? Yes. Was Brown from the air force? Yes. Paratroopers? The worse alternative: was it worse for Brown? Yes. for Smith? No. for someone else? No. Did Smith literally hit and tie up Brown? Yes. If so, was this act seen by the enemy? The enemy didn't see the hitting; whether they saw the tying up is irrelevant. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 380 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the whole operation happened on land? on water? in air? Worse for Brown: he could've ended up in more (physical) danger? Did the hitting left Brown unconscious? How long was he tied up: minutes? hours? days? Was he transported to another location (than the one in which the hitting took place?) Was he tied up immediately after being hit? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3775 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the whole operation happened on land? Yes. on water? in air? Worse for Brown: he could've ended up in more (physical) danger? Yes, though more likely simply incapacitated. Did the hitting left Brown unconscious? Assume yes. How long was he tied up: minutes? This. hours? days? Was he transported to another location (than the one in which the hitting took place?) Yes. Was he tied up immediately after being hit? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5229 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he transported to a safe place? Did Brown need medical attention? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3776 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he transported to a safe place? Yes. Did Brown need medical attention? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5248 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Brown about to be captured by the enemy? When Smith performed the rescue, was he in uniform? His own? The enemy's? Was he in disguise? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3780 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Brown about to be captured by the enemy? Yes. When Smith performed the rescue, was he in uniform? Of whom are you speaking, Smith or Brown? His own? The enemy's? Was he in disguise? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5257 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Smith in uniform at time of rescue? His own? The enemy's? In disguise? Same questions for Brown? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3782 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Smith in uniform at time of rescue? Yes. His own? Yes. The enemy's? No. In disguise? No. Was Brown in uniform at time of rescue? Yes. His own? Yes. The enemy's? No. In disguise? Yes. Look out for FAs. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 409 Registered: 9-2009 |
So Brown was in disguise, though in his own uniform... If so, was he pretenting to be someone else? A higher / lesser officer? Was he trying to provide the enemy false information? Was he detained by said enemy? Was he trying to impersonate himself as a spy? While he was in fact loyal? Did the enemy administrated to him some chemical substance to make him tell the truth? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3785 Registered: 5-2003 |
So Brown was in disguise, In a sense. though in his own uniform... If so, was he pretending to be someone else? No. A higher / lesser officer? No. Was he trying to provide the enemy false information? No. Look out for FAs. Was he detained by said enemy? No. Was he trying to impersonate himself as a spy? No. While he was in fact loyal? Did the enemy administrate to him some chemical substance to make him tell the truth? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5267 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Brown pretending to be a different rank? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3787 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Brown pretending to be a different rank? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3196 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was Brown hiding? Camouflaged? Was he in an airplane? A crash? Were either of them pilots? enemy plane(s) involved? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3794 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Brown hiding? Yes. Camouflaged? No. Was he in an airplane? Not at the time. A crash? Yes. Were either of them pilots? Yes. enemy plane(s) involved? Irr. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3201 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is a ruse relevant? Did they need to trick the enemy? Trick Brown? Did brown see them before they hit him? Did he communicate with them? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3797 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is a ruse relevant? Yes. Did they Assuming you mean Smith? need to trick the enemy? Yes. Trick Brown? No. Did brown see them before they hit him? Briefly. Did he communicate with them? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5381 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Brown a pilot? Was Smith? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3804 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Brown a pilot? Yes. Was Smith? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5393 Registered: 4-2010 |
So Brown's plane crashed, correct? Did Smith rescue Brown from the wreckage? Did the enemy see the plane crash? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3806 Registered: 5-2003 |
So Brown's plane crashed, correct? Did Smith rescue Brown from the wreckage? Did the enemy see the plane crash? Yes to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5443 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the enemy about to capture Brown? Planning to capture Brown? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3808 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the enemy about to capture Brown? Yes. Planning to capture Brown? Not the right way of putting it. Hoping to. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5446 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smith pretend to be an enemy soldier? That Brown was an enemy soldier? A civilian? A captured soldier? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3809 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith pretend to be an enemy soldier? That Brown was an enemy soldier? A civilian? A captured soldier? No to all. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3219 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did Smith trick the enemy into thinking Brown was dead? And that he was just recovering the body? Was he a medic? Relevant what he was? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3810 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith trick the enemy into thinking Brown was dead? No. And that he was just recovering the body? Was he a medic? Yes. Relevant what he was? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5455 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he knock out Brown so he would have a medical reason to take Brown back? Did the enemy know Smith was a medic? Did they try to capture Smith? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3812 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he knock out Brown so he would have a medical reason to take Brown back? Yesish. Did the enemy know Smith was a medic? Yes. Did they try to capture Smith? Again, "try" isn't the right word. "Hoped" would be better. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5530 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Smith injured in the rescue attempt? Did he pretend to be capturing Brown? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3236 Registered: 9-2009 |
Could Brown just have pretended to be unconscious? Or would the ruse not have worked then? Did the enemy try to capture them? Rules of engagement relevant? Were they confronted by the enemy? Chased? Threatened? Followed? Watched? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3813 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Smith injured in the rescue attempt? No. Did he pretend to be capturing Brown? No. Could Brown just have pretended to be unconscious? Yes, but he still would've had to be tied up. Or would the ruse not have worked then? Did the enemy try to capture them? Just Brown, and very much yopish to "try." Rules of engagement relevant? No. Were they confronted by the enemy? Yes. Chased? No. Threatened? No. Followed? Irr. Watched? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5566 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the enemy ask Smith what he was doing? Why he'd tied up Brown? Did Smith lie to them? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3816 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the enemy ask Smith what he was doing? Yes. Why he'd tied up Brown? No. Did Smith lie to them? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5568 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smith claim to be a civilian? That Brown was a civilian? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3818 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith claim to be a civilian? That Brown was a civilian? No to both. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3244 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he claim that either of them really were at the enemy side? that Brown was: injured? Dead? Captured? Someone else? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3822 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he claim that either of them really were at the enemy side? No. that Brown was: injured? This, none of the others. Dead? Captured? Someone else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5572 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he claim to be trying to get Brown to a hospital? A medical tent? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3824 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he claim to be trying to get Brown to a hospital? Yes. A medical tent? Irr. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5627 Registered: 4-2010 |
To a civilian hospital? To an army hospital? An enemy army hospital? A friendly army hospital? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3828 Registered: 5-2003 |
To a civilian hospital? To an army hospital? An enemy army hospital? A friendly army hospital? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5635 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the enemy try to stop Smith? Did Smith claim that Brown needed urgent medical attention? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3831 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the enemy try to stop Smith? No. Did Smith claim that Brown needed urgent medical attention? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5642 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smith claim that Brown was dying? About to die? So the enemy simply let him go? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3836 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith claim that Brown was dying? No. About to die? No. So the enemy simply let him go? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5654 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant the problem he claimed Brown had? Did he claim Brown was wounded? From battle? From the crash? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3839 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant the problem he claimed Brown had? No. Did he claim Brown was wounded? Yes. From battle? From the crash? Irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5672 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he claim Brown was somebody important? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 560 Registered: 9-2008 |
Was Smith truly a medic? Or did he just claim to be a medic during the confrontation? Was Brown tied to a long board so that it looked like a stretcher or gurney? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3844 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Smith truly a medic? Yes. Or did he just claim to be a medic during the confrontation? Was Brown tied to a long board so that it looked like a stretcher or gurney? Irr. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5685 Registered: 4-2010 |
You missed my question.... Was Brown tied up so that Smith's story would seem accurate? So that Brown wouldn't be able to accidentally reveal that Smith was lying? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3850 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he claim Brown was somebody important? Irr. Was Brown tied up so that Smith's story would seem accurate? Yes. So that Brown wouldn't be able to accidentally reveal that Smith was lying? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5726 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smtih claim that Brown was a prisoner? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3853 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smtih claim that Brown was a prisoner? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5743 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smith claim that Brown was a passenger on the plane? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3859 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith claim that Brown was a passenger on the plane? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5755 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could you please recap? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3867 Registered: 5-2003 |
Brown is a British pilot during WWI, and Smith is a British infantryman (assume a medic). Brown crashes in a dangerous area, though not in enemy territory. Smith confronts Germans who are hoping to capture Brown. Smith rescues Brown by knocking Brown out, tying him up, and claiming he needs medical attention (even though Brown is uninjured). Both Brown and Smith are in British uniform at the time. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3868 Registered: 5-2003 |
Recap: Brown is a British pilot during WWI, and Smith is a British infantryman (assume a medic). Brown crashes in a dangerous area, though not in enemy territory. Smith confronts Germans who are hoping to capture Brown. Smith rescues Brown by knocking Brown out, tying him up, and claiming he needs medical attention (even though Brown is uninjured). Both Brown and Smith are in British uniform at the time. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5770 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he claim something about Brown's rank? Is the specific reason he "needed" medical attention relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3302 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he tell them Brown would die without medical attention? Did the Germans think the only way to save Brown, was to let them both go? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3870 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he claim something about Brown's rank? No. Is the specific reason he "needed" medical attention relevant? No. Did he tell them Brown would die without medical attention? No. Did the Germans think the only way to save Brown, was to let them both go? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5870 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he claim that Brown was dead? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3872 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he claim that Brown was dead? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5882 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smith pretend to be a German medic? A civilian medic? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 578 Registered: 9-2008 |
Ah...another classic (if you ain't lateral, you ain't gettin' this one!) Jenburdoo Puzzle! I have happy memories (nervous twiches!) of my early days in the LTPF (sleepless nights!)trying to figure out why a ship's captain (silly man!)was painting his gray ship with gray paint (huh?). Do you remember?(dissociative amnesia!) Just kidding. My attempt at a backhanded complement :-)) Did Smith's story to the Germans indicate that Brown was an injured member of their troop (is that the right word?) and that no one had knowledge of a missing pilot? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3873 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith pretend to be a German medic? No. A civilian medic? No. Ah...another classic (if you ain't lateral, you ain't gettin' this one!) Jenburdoo Puzzle! I have happy memories (nervous twiches!) of my early days in the LTPF (sleepless nights!)trying to figure out why a ship's captain (silly man!)was painting his gray ship with gray paint (huh?). Do you remember?(dissociative amnesia!) Just kidding. My attempt at a backhanded complement :-)) Aww, thank you! Did Smith's story to the Germans indicate that Brown was an injured member of their troop No. (is that the right word?) and that no one had knowledge of a missing pilot? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5893 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Smith make any attempt to conceal who Brown actually was? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3875 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did Smith make any attempt to conceal who Brown actually was? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 580 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the Germans from the military? Did they hope to capture Brown in the sense of taking him prisoner, right? Also please confirm the following: Smith and Brown are both in their uniform, though Smith is somewhat in disguise. In order for the trick to work, tying up Brown was essential. Just rendering him unconscious was not enough. Smith and the Germans (relevant how many Germans were? Relevant if one or more of them is also a doctor, provided that there was at least one?) There was a conversation between the Germans and Smith. Following this conversation, the Germans let Smith, Brown and the rest go away, correct? Did Smith imply that Brown was tied up before the crash? Other than pointing out that he is going to take Brown to the hospital because he was injured, did he say anything else to the Germans? Were there any regulation (thinking Red Cross or something similar)that provided that an unconscious injured enemy should not be taken prisoner if rescued by a certain type of personnel? (like doctors in the military)? If tied up? At least is this OTRT? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3330 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he claim Brown was a deserter? Or traitor? Or something else (in addition to injured)? Did he claim a specific injury? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3878 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the Germans from the military? Yes. Did they hope to capture Brown in the sense of taking him prisoner, right? Yes. Also please confirm the following: Smith and Brown are both in their uniform, Yes. though Smith is somewhat in disguise. Look out for FAs. In order for the trick to work, tying up Brown was essential. Yes. Just rendering him unconscious was not enough. Correct. Smith and the Germans (relevant how many Germans were? No. Relevant if one or more of them is also a doctor, provided that there was at least one? No.) There was a conversation between the Germans and Smith. Yes. Following this conversation, the Germans let Smith, Brown and the rest go away, correct? Yes, but likely FA. Did Smith imply that Brown was tied up before the crash? No. Other than pointing out that he is going to take Brown to the hospital because he was injured, did he say anything else to the Germans? Yes. Were there any regulation (thinking Red Cross or something similar)that provided that an unconscious injured enemy should not be taken prisoner if rescued by a certain type of personnel? (like doctors in the military)? No relevant regulation. If tied up? No. At least is this OTRT? Yes. Did he claim Brown was a deserter? No. Or traitor? No. Or something else (in addition to injured)? No. Did he claim a specific injury? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3355 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he say anything else about what was going to happen to Brown? Where he would take him? A specific hospital? Did he give them a reason why Brown was tied up? Relevant how he was tied up? Did he give them information about Brown, except for his fake medical condition? If so, was that information also fake? Did he give information about himself? Fake information? After they spoke, did the Germans: no longer want to capture Brown? Think they could capture him later? Think Brown was not the | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3881 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he say anything else about what was going to happen to Brown? No. Where he would take him? A specific hospital? Did he give them a reason why Brown was tied up? No, but it was obvious. Relevant how he was tied up? Yes. Did he give them information about Brown, except for his fake medical condition? No. If so, was that information also fake? Did he give information about himself? Yes. Fake information? No. After they spoke, Note: They spoke more than once. did the Germans: no longer want to capture Brown? This. Think they could capture him later? No. Think Brown was not the droid person they were looking for? No. Think they were not allowed to capture him? Technically correct. Or that they would get in trouble if they did? No. Or that there wouldn't be any point? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6019 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were Brown's hands tied? Feet? Was he bound around the torso? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3882 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were Brown's hands tied? Feet? Was he bound around the torso? Assume this. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6026 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could Brown move his hands? Feet? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3885 Registered: 5-2003 |
Could Brown move his hands? Feet? Irr. He was knocked out, for one thing. I will venture a guess that you have an FA about his being tied up. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 462 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is Brown tied to something by the rope (or whatever) bound around his torso? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3887 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is Brown tied to something by the rope (or whatever This is closer) bound around his torso? No. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 463 Registered: 9-2010 |
Hmm, so it's not a rope that he's tied up with. Is it a chain? Is it fair to ask for the LTPF list of materials that one can be tied up with? (If there isn't one, there should be, lol) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3888 Registered: 5-2003 |
Hmm, so it's not a rope that he's tied up with. Is it a chain? No. Is it fair to ask for the LTPF list of materials that one can be tied up with? No, but it ought to be fairly obvious, as it is something that Smith has easily to hand. (If there isn't one, there should be, lol) Haha! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 464 Registered: 9-2010 |
Umm...wait a second...what does Smith have? *scrolls back up and reads* Brown's parachute? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3889 Registered: 5-2003 |
Umm...wait a second...what does Smith have? *scrolls back up and reads* Brown's parachute? No. Hint: What is Smith's job description? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 466 Registered: 9-2010 |
Umm...OH! Smith is a medic! Bandages! He was tied up with bandaging, right??? *has images of Brown looking like a mummy* *giggles* | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3890 Registered: 5-2003 |
Umm...OH! Smith is a medic! Bandages! He was tied up with bandaging, right??? Yep! *has images of Brown looking like a mummy* *giggles* | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 467 Registered: 9-2010 |
Ok, so now what? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3891 Registered: 5-2003 |
Ok, so now what? Why did the Germans just let them go? Remember that Smith has had not one, but two conversations with the Germans. There's a big picture here that you haven't worked out yet. And while you work it out, I'm off to bed. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3373 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does Smith speak to them before and after reaching Brown? Does he speak to the same people both times? Does he tell them any lies, except that Brown is injured? Or does he commit any significant lies of omission? Do the Germans know that the bandaged person is Brown, the person they were hoping to capture? Are laws regarding how and/or when and/or who to take as prisoners of war relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 588 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it relevant how much time passes between the two conversations? If so: minutes? Hours? Days? Months? Years? Did the first conversation happen prior to the event so far established? Did the second happen during the event (the rescue operation)? After? Could any other British medical personnel knock down Brown, tie him up and escape in the same circumstances? Or is something personal about Smith we need to figure out? Has Smith some sort of a permit from the Germans that he is allowed to rescue fellow wounded comrades? Some permit from a country allied with Germany? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3892 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does Smith speak to them before and after reaching Brown? Yes. Does he speak to the same people both times? Yes. Does he tell them any lies, except that Brown is injured? No. Or does he commit any significant lies of omission? No. Do the Germans know that the bandaged person is Brown, the person they were hoping to capture? Yes. Are laws regarding how and/or when and/or who to take as prisoners of war relevant? No. Is it relevant how much time passes between the two conversations? If so: minutes? This. Hours? Days? Months? Years? Did the first conversation happen prior to the event so far established? Yes. Did the second happen during the event (the rescue operation)? Yes. After? Could any other British medical personnel knock down Brown, tie him up and escape in the same circumstances? Yes. Or is something personal about Smith we need to figure out? No. Has Smith some sort of a permit from the Germans that he is allowed to rescue fellow wounded comrades? Something like that. Some permit from a country allied with Germany? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6038 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the crash occur before the first conversation? After? Does Smith have a permit to get past the Germans? But they won't let him through? So he KOs/ties up Brown? And says "this man is injured, you have to let me through"? So they do? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3399 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does Smith ask the Germans for permission to get any wounded personnel out from the wreckage? And when he finds Brown unhurt, he comes up with this ruse? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3895 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does Smith ask the Germans for permission to get any wounded personnel out from the wreckage? Yes. And when he finds Brown unhurt, he comes up with this ruse? Yes. ********************** SPOILER ********************** The story goes that a British plane crashed in No-Man's-Land, and parties from both sides investigated. They decided between them that, if the pilot was unhurt, he would go with the Germans as a prisoner, and if injured, the British could take him. The British found the pilot first, uninjured, and promptly beat up the pilot, wrapped him in bandages, and claimed he was injured; thus, he would not become a PoW. |
