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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

His business collapsed. He sued her.

He = his = HAM, Her = HAF
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Let's call the H/A/M Ron and the H/A/F Lory, just for fun, ok?

So did Lory ruin Ron's business on purpose? Were they business partners? Business rivals? A romantic couple?
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Did the business collapse in the typical, figurative sense of bankruptcy? or did something physically collapse? (That would be a good joke, though no particularly apt profession comes to mind right now).
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Let's call the H/A/M Ron and the H/A/F Lory, just for fun, ok? Sounds good.

So did Lory ruin Ron's business on purpose? FA Were they business partners? Business rivals? A romantic couple? No to all

Did the business collapse in the typical, figurative sense of bankruptcy? Yes or did something physically collapse? (That would be a good joke, though no particularly apt profession comes to mind right now). It didn't, but that would be good.
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Ok, so Lory didn't ruin Ron's business? Did he sue her because his business collapsed? Or for some other reason? Did the reason he sued her cause his business to collapse, and the events were merely presented out of order?

Does Ron know Lory at all? Do they have anything to do with each other?
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Ok, so Lory didn't ruin Ron's business? Correct Did he sue her because his business collapsed? Partially Or for some other reason? But mainly this Did the reason he sued her cause his business to collapse, Yope and the events were merely presented out of order? No

Does Ron know Lory at all? Yes Do they have anything to do with each other? Yes
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Are they related?
If so: Father/daughter? Mother/son? Brother/sister? Uncle/niece? Aunt/nephew? Grandparent/grandchild? Cousins?

Are they just friends? (If so, I imagine they're not now...)

I heard something on the radio recently about an eighty-something year old man who wanted to marry his great-niece to protect her from the law, or so he said. Len Tillem advised him not to go there.
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Did Lory work for Ron? Was Ron justified in his lawsuit? Or was it a frivolous lawsuit (like "Oh, she called me a llamadoodle after I got arrested, and ever since then I haven't gotten any business. And therefore, her calling me a llamadoodle, and not the fact that I got arrested, is what caused me to lose business. Therefore, she made me go bankrupt by calling me a llamadoodle and I am suing her".)
Or speaking of getting arrested, is Lory a police officer who arrested Ron, and Ron was later proved innocent so he sued for false imprisonment or something, but him getting arrested ruined his business even though he hadn't done anything wrong?
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Hahahahaha...considering where I got the names, that bit about Lory being a police officer arresting Ron is too funny. (My dad's name is Ron and his girlfriend is Lory. She's been in trouble with the law before several times...no, I don't like her. She's ick.) It'll be really funny if that's the case...*giggles at Gregory*
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Are they related? No
If so: Father/daughter? Mother/son? Brother/sister? Uncle/niece? Aunt/nephew? Grandparent/grandchild? Cousins?

Are they just friends? Well, they likely were.... (If so, I imagine they're not now...)

I heard something on the radio recently about an eighty-something year old man who wanted to marry his great-niece to protect her from the law, or so he said. Len Tillem advised him not to go there. Oh my....

Did Lory work for Ron? Yes, but this could mislead. Was Ron justified in his lawsuit? Good grief, no. Or was it a frivolous lawsuit (like "Oh, she called me a llamadoodle after I got arrested, and ever since then I haven't gotten any business. And therefore, her calling me a llamadoodle, and not the fact that I got arrested, is what caused me to lose business. Therefore, she made me go bankrupt by calling me a llamadoodle and I am suing her".) Very much so, but llamadoodles are not relevant.
Or speaking of getting arrested, is Lory a police officer who arrested Ron, and Ron was later proved innocent so he sued for false imprisonment or something, but him getting arrested ruined his business even though he hadn't done anything wrong? No, but that's a really clever idea.

Hahahahaha...considering where I got the names, that bit about Lory being a police officer arresting Ron is too funny. (My dad's name is Ron and his girlfriend is Lory. She's been in trouble with the law before several times...no, I don't like her. She's ick.) It'll be really funny if that's the case...*giggles at Gregory* I wish that were the case....
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HINT: It will not help to find out what the buisiness was that collapsed, but it will help to figure out how Lory worked for Ron.
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My father is very much the sort for frivolous lawsuits, but unfortunately his tenants in the other houses he rents seem even more so...*sigh* A so-called "blind" lady (she says she is, yet she recognized my father halfway down the street and waved to him, with no one else around, in twilight) hasn't paid her rent since she moved in, yet she's suing him. Idiot...

Ok, so...was Lory Ron's: Tenant? (The real ones have this relationship)
Secretary?
Some sort of labor?
PR person? (Ha...)
Salesperson?
If he owned a restaurant was she the hostess? A waitress? A cook?
LTPF list of anything I missed out on?
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My father is very much the sort for frivolous lawsuits, but unfortunately his tenants in the other houses he rents seem even more so...*sigh* A so-called "blind" lady (she says she is, yet she recognized my father halfway down the street and waved to him, with no one else around, in twilight) hasn't paid her rent since she moved in, yet she's suing him. Idiot... Yikes. =P

Ok, so...was Lory Ron's: Tenant? (The real ones have this relationship)
Secretary?
Some sort of labor?
PR person? (Ha...)
Salesperson?
If he owned a restaurant was she the hostess? A waitress? A cook? None of these.
LTPF list of anything I missed out on? I'm not going to allow this particular list, because it would pretty much give away the answer. I will say that it's a fairly common job for one person to have for another.
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slave? maid? mistress? was her profession illegal (like a prostitute?)
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slave? maid? mistress? was her profession illegal (like a prostitute?) No to all
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Was she actually employed by him? Or was she self employed and did jobs for him?

Was she working on his business premises? House? Some other place?
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OK, was pretty sure you wouldn't allow the LTPF listing, but I couldn't help asking...*goes off to think more*
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Was she actually employed by him? Yes Or was she self employed and did jobs for him? Well, she did have another (primary) job, but that is not relevant.

Was she working on his business premises? House? This Some other place?
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Was she a cleaner? House maid? Nanny? Gardener?
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Was she a cleaner? House maid? Nanny? Gardener? None of these
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Would she be working all over the house? or in a spesific part of it?

anything relevant about his house?
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Would she be working all over the house? Yes, and likely outside it (but nearby) as well. or in a spesific part of it?

anything relevant about his house? No
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Animal(s) involved? Children? Did she work at his house every day? Was she performing a common household chore? Would the same thing have happened, had she been a man? Is the type of house relevant? Or size?
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Animal(s) involved? YES Children? No Did she work at his house every day? I'm not sure, but I think Yes Was she performing a common household chore? DOYD of "chore" Would the same thing have happened, had she been a man? Yes Is the type of house relevant? Or size? Neither
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More than one animal? Did she care for the animal? Or was it a pest animal? Did it die? Or get hurt? Animal: mammal? Reptile? Fish? Bird? Insect? Other?
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More than one animal? No Did she care for the animal? Yes... Or was it a pest animal? Did it die? Or get hurt? No to these Animal: mammal? This Reptile? Fish? Bird? Insect? Other?
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Cat? Dog? Carnivore? Dangerous? Farm animal? Rodent? Did she make a mistake? Did the animal do something bad? Hurt someone? Damage something? Hurt or kill another animal? Get lost? Or stuck? Was the animal bigger than: her? A dog? Cat? Rat?
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My dad and his girlfriend actually HAVE pets, and not only should the real Lory be forbidden from caring for any animal, she should especially be forbidden from naming any animal. So far every pet she's named has had to be renamed because she stuck them with something vulgar, except Beer, the pit bull who was pregnant when they picked her up off the street and who Lory shared her beer with (hence the name, besides the animal's coloring.) They no longer have the dog, just two cats and two chickens.
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Cat? Dog? This Carnivore? Dangerous? Farm animal? Rodent? Did she make a mistake? Yopish Did the animal do something bad? Hurt someone? Damage something? Hurt or kill another animal? Get lost? This - it ran away Or stuck? Was the animal bigger than: her? A dog? Cat? Rat?

This is nearly solved; just explain the connection to his business collapsing, which is rather simple.

My dad and his girlfriend actually HAVE pets, and not only should the real Lory be forbidden from caring for any animal, she should especially be forbidden from naming any animal. So far every pet she's named has had to be renamed because she stuck them with something vulgar, except Beer, the pit bull who was pregnant when they picked her up off the street and who Lory shared her beer with (hence the name, besides the animal's coloring.) They no longer have the dog, just two cats and two chickens. Oh, yikes.
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Was his business related to dogs? This dog specifically? Lost dogs specifically? Caring for dogs? Training dogs? Did the dog running away cause bad publicity? Did something relevant happen to it after it ran away?
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Was his business related to dogs? This dog specifically? Lost dogs specifically? Caring for dogs? Training dogs? Did the dog running away cause bad publicity? Did something relevant happen to it after it ran away? No to all of these
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Is Ron Blind? And the Dog was his seeing eye dog? If I'm wrong, and I didn't solve the puzzle, can we call the dog Freduardo?
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Or we could call the dog Beer...*snort* I hope Gregory's right, lol, that would be amusing
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Just in case Gregory isn't right - was the dog part of the business somehow? Like a mascot? or logo? Was the dog found eventually?

Or maybe he claimed he lost business, as he had to search for his lost dog?
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Is Ron Blind? And the Dog was his seeing eye dog? No to both If I'm wrong, and I didn't solve the puzzle, can we call the dog Freduardo? Sure - you actually got the first 3 letters of the dog's real name right.

Just in case Gregory isn't right - was the dog part of the business somehow? Like a mascot? or logo? No to all Was the dog found eventually? Yes, but it took a while

Or maybe he claimed he lost business, as he had to search for his lost dog? And then some....take this idea to the extreme and you've got it.
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Did he claim she was the reason for the dog running away? Had the dog done it before? relevant how long it took before he was found?
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Did he claim she was the reason for the dog running away? Yes Had the dog done it before? No relevant how long it took before he was found? Yesish - two months.

Just need the final bit about the business and we're set.
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Was she taking the dog somewhere relevant when it ran away?

Did he close his business for the two months it took to find the dog?
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Was she taking the dog somewhere relevant when it ran away? No

Did he close his business for the two months it took to find the dog? Even more extreme.
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Was she the reason the dog ran away? Did Ron throw his business's goods at Lory in a fit of rage for, in his mind, making the dog run away, then sue her because they were destroyed?
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Was she the reason the dog ran away? Probably not Did Ron throw his business's goods at Lory in a fit of rage for, in his mind, making the dog run away, then sue her because they were destroyed? No - even more extreme than this. Think about how long the search took.
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Did he use up all the business's money to find the dog? Did he personally find the dog? Or did he pay Doggie Catchers to find it? Using the business money?
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Did he use up all the business's money to find the dog? Yope Did he personally find the dog? No Or did he pay Doggie Catchers to find it? He actually hired other people - but NOT doggie catchers - to find it. Using the business money? Not exactly, but I think you and Eli have enough for me to call this a

**********SPOILER**********

I shall quote from an AP source from January 2004:

"Reunited with his German shepherd more than two months after its escape, Portland, Oregon, resident Doug Baker is now suing the woman allegedly to blame ó his dogsitter. Baker accuses Lisa Dunbar and All-Around Pet Sitting of allowing his dog Fremont to escape and then providing sub-par assistance in securing Fremontís recovery. Baker seeks $160,000 for damages, including lost wages, money expended in search of Fremont and emotional distress caused by the two-month pursuit.

Along with missing work during the ordeal, Baker reports crying every day and screaming every night of Fremontís 67-day absence. In his quest to find Fremont, Baker consulted with four psychics, a witch and a professional animal tracker, apparently all for naught. Bakerís self-described "nightmare" only came to a close after he received a telephone tip that led him to Fremontís location.

Dunbar denies that she should or could have done more to help locate her charge, maintaining that she also took time off of work to assist in the search. Bakerís attorney said he hopes the suit will encourage legal changes to hold petsitters to a higher standard of care."


What the source does not mention is that Baker had in fact let his business collapse in order to devote his entire time to searching for the dog. Dunbar had also issued a statement countering Baker's, claiming she had in fact been trying to look for the dog, and even took time off from work to assist in the search.

Fremont had been found two days after a newspaper article about Baker's search was published, when a resident spotted him in an area very near to Baker's home. In the search, Baker had also admitted to putting his own urine in areas he and Fremont frequented, hoping the scent would lead the dog home.

Results of the suit are unknown.

Nice job Eli, Gregory, Galfisk, Biograd, and Kaylee.
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*snort* Well, this beats anything my father's ever come up with...

Well done Balin, I enjoyed the puzzle. :D

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