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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think this is an idiomuzzle of sorts, but I'm not too savvy on all the specifics of puzzle types. And it's not an idiom, but more of a familiar concept. The goal is to find the correct substitutions for the words in red.

The king made the German dog.

A rule of thumb for finding the necessary substitutions for this puzzle: x = y, y = z, x does not = z.
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Kevin Bacon relevant?

King: Monarch? Ruler? Head? Royalty? Royal family?

German: Bavarian? Chocolate cake relevant? Any chocolate relevant? Oktoberfest? Beer?

Dog: Hot dog? Pet dog?

On the off chance it's "German dog": Daschund? (I'm sure I spelled that wrong...)
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Kevin Bacon relevant? nope, but good thinking

King: Monarch? yes! Ruler? Head? Royalty? Royal family?

German: Bavarian? Chocolate cake relevant? Any chocolate relevant? Oktoberfest? Beer?

Dog: Hot dog? Pet dog? this, but see below

On the off chance it's "German dog": Daschund? these two words do go together, but it's not Dacshund. (I'm sure I spelled that wrong...)
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so it's now "The Monarch made the 'German dog'"?

*Sighs* I'm not sure what other German dogs are out there.
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes...

The monarch made the "German dog".

Feel free to wikipedia. I certainly did. =)
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Well there are several German dog breeds, including:
Rottweiler
Pinscher
Schnauzer
Certain poodle varieties
Keeschond

Are any of these the correct one?

I have a hard time with these puzzles, I've checked several of them out, still not quite sure how they work...
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*facepalm* I feel stupid now, Ixoye...I've heard of the first four of those dogs...not the last one. But I still don't know which one it might be.
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 8:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well there are several German dog breeds, including:
Rottweiler
Pinscher
Schnauzer
Certain poodle varieties
Keeschond

Are any of these the correct one? no. Hint: it does not have a German name

I have a hard time with these puzzles, I've checked several of them out, still not quite sure how they work... I have not tried to solve them myself. But the idea is to get each red word to the correct word (which will be green) through finding the correct synonym or related word. In this instance, there are intermediate words that lead you to the final correct answer. So..."monarch" is still not the final word.
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Butterfly? (Monarch butterfly?)
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 8:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

German dog = hund? wiener? bratwurst?
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Butterfly? (Monarch butterfly?) Yes! Good job!

German dog = hund? wiener? bratwurst? no, it does NOT have a German name =)

The butterfly made the "German dog".
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It does not have a German name, yet it is a dog? Breed of dog? A specific dog from Germany (specific as in famous, well-known)?
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It does not have a German name, yet it is a dog? Breed of dog? yes, this, and a pretty well-known one. It was first bred in Germany. A specific dog from Germany (specific as in famous, well-known)? not a specific one, no
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Boxer? Yorkshire Terrier?
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Boxer? yes! Good job! Yorkshire Terrier?

The butterfly made the boxer.
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Muhammad Ali? Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee? Or boxer = type of underwear? Guy who fights people?
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boxer = fighter?
Is this related to Muhammed Ali?
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Muhammad Ali? no
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee? nope
Or boxer = type of underwear? no
Guy who fights people? yes

boxer = fighter? yes
Is this related to Muhammed Ali? no
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I want to say "butterfly effect", but I don't see how we get from "boxer" to "effect"...hmmm.

Are we looking for the name of a boxer? Or something related to boxers? To boxing? Boxer = Fight? Punch? Gloves? Shorts? Ring?
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I want to say "butterfly effect", but I don't see how we get from "boxer" to "effect"...hmmm. this is the correct concept, but "effect" is not the word. The sentence describes the concept.

Are we looking for the name of a boxer? yes-ish, not full name
Or something related to boxers? To boxing? Boxer = Fight? Punch? Gloves? Shorts? Ring? no to these
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First name? Last name? Of a current boxer? One who no longer fights?

And what to call this puzzle...the only thing that comes to mind is "dual-stage idiomuzzle"...how does that sound? Is that too clunky?
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First name? Last name? More like nickname
Of a current boxer? One who no longer fights? this
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And what to call this puzzle...the only thing that comes to mind is "dual-stage idiomuzzle"...how does that sound? Is that too clunky? It is a bit clunky, but indeed descriptive! Hmmm...
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Rocky Marciano (guessing that 'Rocky' is a nickname)? 'Marvelous' Marvin Hagler? 'Iron' Mike Tyson? Hector 'Macho' Camacho?
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Do we know how many links (or colour changes) we need to pass through? Or is it for you to know, and for us to find out? Is it 7 (as hinted in the title)? Are we going through a rainbow?

And is the 'the ---- made the' part of the solution?

For butterfly: stroke? chop? madam? nut?

For boxer: foreman? cooper?
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Rocky Marciano (guessing that 'Rocky' is a nickname)? 'Marvelous' Marvin Hagler? 'Iron' Mike Tyson? Hector 'Macho' Camacho? No to all, but good guesses!
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Do we know how many links (or colour changes) we need to pass through? Or is it for you to know, and for us to find out? Is it 7 (as hinted in the title)? Are we going through a rainbow? Actually, this one's just 3 total colors. I plan to make some with more degrees afterward. =)

And is the 'the ---- made the' part of the solution? yes, the whole phrase is the solution. That is, the two unknown words fit together within the context of the phrase.

For butterfly: stroke? chop? madam? nut? Butterfly is the correct word. Green is final.

For boxer: foreman? cooper? nope!
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Well there's 'Smokin' Joe Frazier?
Butterbean?
'Real Deal' Holyfield?
'Hands of Stone' Duran?
'Buster' Douglas?
'Merciless' Ray Mercer?
'Pac Man' Pacquaio?
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It must, therefore, be Rubin Carter? :-)
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Well there's 'Smokin' Joe Frazier?
Butterbean?
'Real Deal' Holyfield?
'Hands of Stone' Duran?
'Buster' Douglas?
'Merciless' Ray Mercer?
'Pac Man' Pacquaio? nope!

It must, therefore, be Rubin Carter? :-) that's the one!

************SPOILER**************

The butterfly made the hurricane.

The statement is in regard to the butterfly effect principle.

king = monarch = butterfly
German dog = boxer = hurricane

Rubin Carter was a boxer nicknamed "Hurricane".


Thanks for playing! I'll add another "degree of separation" for my next one!
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Really neat idea, thankyou. And anything with a Dylan connection is a bonus. Keep them coming!
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Good puzzle (but it made my brain tired)!
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I sort of had no idea how it would go, so I'm glad you liked it! And Ixoye, better give your brain some rest while I think up my next one!
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Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 10:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I liked it too - nice one!

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