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A timber named measuring device.

The goal is to find the words that fill in the sentence by finding words that are related or synonyms for the words in red. In this case, there are intermediate stages. The words will go from red to orange to green to blue, with blue being the final word. Take a look at my previous puzzle "Degrees of Separation" to see how this works.
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Timber = wood? tree? plank?

Measuring device = cup? spoon? ruler? yardstick? scale?
If none of the above, does it measure length? volume? mass/weight?

incidentally...I'm not normally one to care what puzzle types are called, but in this case I think "multi-tiered Idiomuzzle" could be confusing since this type of puzzle seems to have one major difference from idiomuzzles. In idiomuzzles, the black words are irrelevant except as separation between the words that matter. In this type of puzzle (at least, in Degrees of Separation, and I'm assuming this one too), the black words are very important because they're part of the final answer. That's a big difference.

To me, calling this an idiomuzzle could cause confusion over how the two types of puzzles are solved or hosted. "Multi-tiered _____" makes sense to me, though. I'm just not sure that Idiomuzzle is the right word for the blank.
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Timber = wood? tree? plank? I think wood and tree are generally what this word refers to in the context used, but that is not the word you seek.

Measuring device = cup? spoon? ruler? This!
yardstick? scale?
If none of the above, does it measure length? volume? mass/weight?

A timber named ruler.

As far as the name, thanks for the feedback. I was looking for an idiomuzzle to compare, because I've never worked on one and only vaguely recollect how they work, but I couldn't find any. Do you know where one is located? Maybe "Multi-tiered substitution"? I seem to remember "substitution puzzle" being an existing puzzle type, though. Hm...maybe that's part of the puzzle too. Figure out what the puzzle is called.
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Timber - Lumber? Log?

Ruler - King? Empreror? Emir? Prince? President? Governor? Queen? Dictator?


To be honest I don't think the name of this puzzle type is that important as long as you use the explanatory paragraph at the start (which is very clear I might add)|
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Timber - Lumber? Log? It's not these. In this case, it's not a synonym.

Ruler - King? Empreror? Emir? Prince? President? Governor? Queen? Dictator? This, but that's not the next word.
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there are some in the solved puzzle section. Here's one that includes the "rules"
http://www.lateralpuzzles.com/discus/messages/2928/20185.html


Timber rhymes with Limber?
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Timber rhymes with Limber? no...well, yes, it does, but no ;)

thanks! I'll take a look!
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Relevant that Lumberjacks shout "Timber" as a tree is falling? So could we have something like Timber - Warning ?
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Relevant that Lumberjacks shout "Timber" as a tree is falling? So could we have something like Timber - Warning ? Good thinking, but no
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Timber as in lumber? If so, is a specific species relevant? Or is timbre relevant?
Ruler: Czar? Khan? Other synonym?
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Are we looking for a name of a dictator? Hitler? Stalin? Caesar?

Timber - land? (As in the company)?
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Timber as in lumber? If so, is a specific species relevant? Or is timbre relevant? no to all, but OTRT with "species"
Ruler: Czar? Khan? Other synonym? no

Are we looking for a name of a dictator? Hitler? Stalin? Caesar? this! Full name, though.
Timber - land? (As in the company)? no, but OTRT as far as how the words are related

A timber named Julius Caesar.
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Julius Caesar - the salad dressing? the salad? a victim of assassination? the Shakespeare play?

Timber - wolf? rattlesnake?
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Julius Caesar: Roman? Italy? Calendar?
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Along the lines of the Shakespeare play...
Julius Caesar = tragedy?
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Julius Caesar - the salad dressing? the salad? a victim of assassination? the Shakespeare play? this! "Shakespeare" is what I was looking for.

Timber - wolf? yes! rattlesnake?

A wolf named Shakespeare.
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Wolf - boy who cried wolf? Werewolf? Wolfman? Teen Wolf?
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Wolf - boy who cried wolf? Werewolf? Wolfman? Teen Wolf? no to all
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Are we looking for a type of wolf? Name of a wolf? Howl? Howling at the moon? Or the most random guess ever - White Wolf of Icicle Creek (a Nancy Drew game)?
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Are we looking for a type of wolf? no, but types are relevant
Name of a wolf? Howl? Howling at the moon? Or the most random guess ever - White Wolf of Icicle Creek (a Nancy Drew game)? no to rest
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Gray wolf?
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Gray wolf? nope...think about how the first word related to the second word
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Timber wolf...maybe wolfhound...then hound dog?
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Timber wolf...maybe wolfhound...then hound dog? No, but OTRT
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Wolf...wolfsbane?
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Wolf...wolfsbane? nope
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"As for monkshood and wolfsbane, they are the same plant, which also goes by the name of aconite. Well? Why aren't you all writing this down?" (haha Balin, couldn't resist)
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Wolf in sheep's clothing?
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Wolf in sheep's clothing? no. Feel free to ask intermediate yes/no questions to help you out
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Is "wolf" the first part of a two-word phrase? Of a phrase? Is it part of a phrase, period? Wolf pack?
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Is "wolf" the first part of a two-word phrase? yes, svv of "phrase"
Of a phrase? yes
Is it part of a phrase, period? yes-ish
Wolf pack? no, but it is a "phrase" like this
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Is the second word a noun? Verb? Adjective? Adverb? [LTPF list of parts of speech]?
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Is the second word a noun? yes Verb? Adjective? Adverb? [LTPF list of parts of speech]?
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The only thing I can think of right now is "wolf at your door", but that's not two words....
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wolf cub?
wolfman jack?
wolf wolf?
wolfenstein?
wolf blitzer? (Oh, man, I hope it's this.)
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The only thing I can think of right now is "wolf at your door", but that's not two words....

wolf cub?
wolfman jack?
wolf wolf?
wolfenstein?
wolf blitzer? (Oh, man, I hope it's this.) haha, none of these, unfortunately. To point you in the right direction, I will say that "Timber" was a type of "wolf", and "wolf" is a type of "x".
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canine?
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canine? no, less literal, just like "timber" isn't, by itself, a wolf
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spider?
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spider? yes!

A spider named Shakespeare.
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William?
(Judith? Hamnet? Susanna? Anne Hathaway No, not THAT one...)

Bard?
Stratford?
Globe?
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William? If you're referring to Shakespeare, yes, that is correct. Blue is final, though, so you're actually looking for the green in this one, although that's different from my last one of these. Sorry for the confusion.
(Judith? Hamnet? Susanna? Anne Hathaway No, not THAT one...)

Bard?
Stratford?
Globe?
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spider...monkey?
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Put enough monkeys in a room with a typewriter they'll produce Shakespeare. Eh?
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spider = weaver?

types of spiders:
orb? recluse? widow?

Or is it spider ____?
Spider man? a man named shakespeare?
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Indeed!

********SPOILER**********

A monkey named Shakespeare.

This, as guessed, refers to the infinite monkey theory of probability.


The word path:

Timber = Wolf = spider = monkey
Timber is a type of wolf, wolf is a type of spider, spider is a type of monkey.

Measuring device = ruler = Julius Caesar = Shakeaspeare
A ruler is a type of measuring device, Julius Caesar was a ruler, and also a tragedy by William Shakespeare.

Good job all, and thanks for playing. I know it's kind of a crazy puzzle type.
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Sorry, just missed you there, Noel!
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No problem. I enjoy these puzzles. Neat idea!
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I like these too - nice one!
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Good one, I'm getting used to these now.

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