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| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1267 Registered: 9-2010 |
"You're not my daughter! As of now, I only have one daughter!" he shouted at her. She shrugged it off and wrote down anything and everything she wanted to say to him, whenever he spoke to her for the next half hour...until he took it back. Neither of us much cared, except when he took his shirt off. So, what was going on? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1574 Registered: 11-2003 |
He = H?A?M? She = H?A?F? All he's the same person? All she's? Was she with him when he shouted at her? or did they talk on the phone? Location relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1273 Registered: 9-2010 |
He = H?A?M? Yes, yes and yes. All he's and him's = same person. She = H?A?F? Um...H and F yes. Adult...At the time she was more between teen and adult. And "us" means her and me, by the way. I was there. Was she with him when he shouted at her? Yes. or did they talk on the phone? Location relevant? Very relevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7978 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the people all related? Was the location in a building? Outdoors? In a car? In a public place? In private? On stage? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1278 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are the people all related? Yes Was the location in a building? No Outdoors? Yesish because... In a car? THIS In a public place? On the freeway In private? As private as three can be in a car on the freeway On stage? Certainly not | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7985 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he shout because he was angry? Joking? "Took it back" - "it" = the original statement? Did she write the stuff down for joking reasons? Serious reasons? Just for fun? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1280 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he shout because he was angry? Very Joking? Not at all "Took it back" - "it" = the original statement? Yes Did she write the stuff down for joking reasons? She wrote it because he wasn't speaking to her Serious reasons? See above Just for fun? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7993 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he take his shirt off...because he was angry? Because he was hot? Because he was being a jerk? Because he was bored? In order to flag someone down? Using the shirt? To try to be funny? For no reason? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1282 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he take his shirt off...because he was angry? Because he was hot? Because he was being a jerk? Pretty much all of the above. A lot of it had to do with the fact that my sister gave it to him. Because he was bored? In order to flag someone down? Using the shirt? To try to be funny? For no reason? Not these.Oh, lol, I gave you a free hint. That's all right, it isn't the whole story by far :-D | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 936 Registered: 9-2009 |
So in the car were you two and your father, right? Are we trying to determine what made your father react so angrily? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1285 Registered: 9-2010 |
So in the car were you two and your father, right? Exactly so...my (at the time, 18 1/2 year old) sister, me, and our dad Are we trying to determine what made your father react so angrily? precisely. There was a lot going on, lol...it'll take a lot of exploring | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 937 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he anger directed at your sister? At you? At both of you? Did either of you told him something that made him mad? Did your sister did something bad -- or considered as such by your father? If so, is it related to: family relations? school? boyfriends? drinking? drugs? money? Did she dissapoint him in some way? She must have been around 15 years old at the time, right? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 938 Registered: 9-2009 |
Sorry, misread your previous post. I see now that 18 1/2 was your sister's age, not yours. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1286 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was he anger directed at your sister? Yes At you? At both of you? No to these Did either of you told him something that made him mad? Well, he believed she'd tricked him. She hadn't. Did your sister did something bad -- or considered as such by your father? He considered it to be such. If so, is it related to: family relations? A bit, but only in that she doesn't normally want to see him. school? boyfriends? drinking? drugs? money? Thisish, but may mislead. No to rest. Did she dissapoint him in some way? Yes She must have been around 15 years old at the time, right? No, *she* was 18 1/2...although when I was 18 1/2, she was 15, yes. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1287 Registered: 9-2010 |
Sorry, misread your previous post. I see now that 18 1/2 was your sister's age, not yours.Perfectly all right. No worries. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 939 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did she refuse to admit receiving money? Having a certain amount? Did she buy something and he reasoned that she must have the money from another source? Was the shirt relevant in relation with the money, or was just a sign of their friendship? Are we talking about something less than $100? $100-$1000? More? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1288 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did she refuse to admit receiving money? Having a certain amount? Did she buy something and he reasoned that she must have the money from another source? Was the shirt relevant in relation with the money, or was just a sign of their friendship? Are we talking about something less than $100? $100-$1000? More? *slaps self* Sorry about the FA, so in apology I shall provide a hint... The money issue was that she didn't have enough cash to afford a flight to (somewhere I'm not giving away yet) with her friends, so she asked Dad to drive her instead and bring me for company (it was still feasible). He did this, and took me. However, Dad had a FA about this trip, which is the reason he was angry on the way back (when this happened) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1289 Registered: 9-2010 |
Oh, and by the way, the shirt was a souvenir from the last school trip she'd been away on. She bought it in Spain as an early birthday present. However, I would not call their relationship "friendship", especially on her side. | ||
| Sugarshane (Sugarshane)
New member Username: Sugarshane Post Number: 247 Registered: 7-2009 |
air conditioner relevant ? in the desert? somewhere hot? is this your step sister? half? step dad? did she purposely trick him? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 940 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he think she will stay for a shorter period of time? Was she going there for fun and he thought is was for a serious matter? Did he misunderstand the purpose of the trip? Is it relevant why she wanted to go there? Is it relevant where she was going? Is there a reason she asked him to drive her there instead of asking for money for the flight or just borrowing the car and driving herself? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1290 Registered: 9-2010 |
air conditioner relevant ? in the desert? somewhere hot? is this your step sister? half? step dad? did she purposely trick him? No to all. As to the last, no, she gave him all the facts at the beginning; he was either not listening or his mind purposely blocked her out when she said what he didn't want to hear. "In the desert/somewhere hot" might have been true, but is irrelevant; if you're asking for purposes of his removing his shirt, heat had nothing to do with that. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1291 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he think she will stay for a shorter period of time? Was she going there for fun and he thought is was for a serious matter? No and noDid he misunderstand the purpose of the trip? Yesish, but not through any fault of hers Is it relevant why she wanted to go there? Is it relevant where she was going? Is there a reason she asked him to drive her there instead of asking for money for the flight or just borrowing the car and driving herself? Yes to all | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1292 Registered: 9-2010 |
oh and POSSIBLE BLOOPER: yes, she was going there for fun, he did not think it was for a serious matter, that's all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7999 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he threaten to throw the shirt out the window? Did he actually do so? Was she going to the beach? And his line of thought was "well you want to see shirtless men, I can do that too" *insert angry sarcastic tone in that quote* or something like that? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1293 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he threaten to throw the shirt out the window? Did he actually do so? Was she going to the beach? And his line of thought was "well you want to see shirtless men, I can do that too" *insert angry sarcastic tone in that quote* or something like that?No. You're focusing entirely too much on the shirt. The only reason he removed it was because he was mad at her. She did, however, see several oddly dressed people, though the beach was not the destination. (And really, if she'd wanted to go to the beach there'd have been plenty of places an hour's drive from home, no flying necessary) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8007 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she going to the opposite coast? Out of the country? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1294 Registered: 9-2010 |
RECAP: In the summer of 2007, when my sister was 18 1/2 years old and I was 22, our dad picked us up from our mother's house to take us somewhere my sister wanted to go (an event which her friend's mom had paid for her to attend). My sister had arranged to go there and meet her friends, but being just out of her freshman year of college, did not have any cash for the flight. Dad, in his benevolent kindness (aka wish to get into Heather's good books) offered to drive her. Heather happily agreed and suggested he bring me along. He misunderstood (whether he was deliberately misunderstanding or just chose not to listen) her purpose in going to the event, and after it was over a few days later and we were driving back home, Dad suddenly yelled at Heather and refused to talk to her, yanking off the shirt he was wearing (which he'd got from her two years previously, on a summer trip for Spanish class to Spain, Gibraltar and Morocco between junior and senior year) and verbally disowning her. He un-disowned her half an hour later. Now: where did he take her to meet her friends, why did she have me go with him, what did he misunderstand, and why did he throw such a fit about it? (I am not going to have you figure out why he retracted his statements, God is probably the only one to figure *that* out. *wry look* The man is a lateral puzzle all by himself.) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1295 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was she going to the opposite coast? Out of the country? No, she was travelling south, not east, and not out of the country. :-) The trip was wholly within California. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 209 Registered: 7-2010 |
So the relationship between your sister and your father hadn't been the best before that, right? Is the reason for that relevant? Does someone your dad knew live where your sister traveled to? And your dad didn't approve of that person? And thought your sister would go to them? And he felt betrayed because of that? Is money relevant in a way other than the lack thereof made your dad drive? Did he think she'd spend a large amount of money during the trip? That she'd buy something he wouldn't approve of? Or gamble? Or that she'd sell something there that was precious to him? Is Hollywood relevant? Did your dad think that your sister would go there to become an actor or some other sort of celebrity? And that she'd quit her education for that? Did he think that she'd move to that place? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1301 Registered: 9-2010 |
So the relationship between your sister and your father hadn't been the best before that, right? Is the reason for that relevant? No, it hadn't. He had major anger issues when we were kids, and she was more or less the target of it. But that is not relevant, except that it's the reason she only spends time around him when she really wants something. Does someone your dad knew live where your sister traveled to? And your dad didn't approve of that person? And thought your sister would go to them? And he felt betrayed because of that? No, completely OTWT. Is money relevant in a way other than the lack thereof made your dad drive? Did he think she'd spend a large amount of money during the trip? That she'd buy something he wouldn't approve of? Or gamble? Or that she'd sell something there that was precious to him? All irrelevant, though it's possible she might have bought stuff at the event. In fact, if memory serves, she did buy at least a poster, a couple of action figures and a souvenir bag. Is Hollywood relevant? Did your dad think that your sister would go there to become an actor or some other sort of celebrity? And that she'd quit her education for that? LOLOL, no. That'd be completely uncharacteristic. Hollywood and LA are irrelevant, but there's at least one other big city down there... Did he think that she'd move to that place? Haha, no. OTWT. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 210 Registered: 7-2010 |
Would whatever made your dad angry make most other parents angry, too? Did he think that your sister was taking advantage of him? Or make fun of him in a way? Had there been a conversation between the two of them right before his outburst? Did she say or do something that provoked him? Or had he been angry all the time and he had just been holding it back? Is a bet involved? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1309 Registered: 9-2010 |
Would whatever made your dad angry make most other parents angry, too? Only if they had the same selective hearing he did when asked to drive her, and drew the same erroneous conclusion. Did he think that your sister was taking advantage of him? Those were precisely the words he used when he accused her, yes. Making fun of him, no. Or make fun of him in a way? Had there been a conversation between the two of them right before his outburst? Yes, they'd been making casual talk as one might in the car on long trips. Did she say or do something that provoked him? Or had he been angry all the time and he had just been holding it back? This, no to others. Is a bet involved? No. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 211 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did he think that your sister wanted him to give her a ride to another place, too? Or that she wanted him to pay something for her? Did she say or do something that he interpreted in a way that it made him think that she didn't like him? Or that she didn't take him serious? Or that she took him for granted? Did she talk about him with a third person in the way of "He's going to do/pay/whatever that for me anyway"? Is your mother's attitude towards the trip relevant? Like, she didn't approve of it but your sister turned to your dad knowing he would help? Had your father been angry even before he was asked to drive? Or did something happen before that? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1316 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he think that your sister wanted him to give her a ride to another place, too? Or that she wanted him to pay something for her? Did she say or do something that he interpreted in a way that it made him think that she didn't like him? Or that she didn't take him serious? Or that she took him for granted? This one, the rest no (or at least irrelevant) Did she talk about him with a third person in the way of "He's going to do/pay/whatever that for me anyway"? Not this. Is your mother's attitude towards the trip relevant? Like, she didn't approve of it but your sister turned to your dad knowing he would help? If I remember right, she didn't mind Heather going, but was a bit wary of Dad giving us both a ride down that way. HINT: Heather was the only one of us who had a ticket to the event. The event, and location, are relevant. Had your father been angry even before he was asked to drive? Or did something happen before that? Frankly, my father is very rarely not angry, at least under the surface. But I don't think this is relevant, unless you want to clarify what you mean by 'did something happen before that'. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8025 Registered: 4-2010 |
So she was going somewhere near LA, right? Was the event attended by people from all over the country? All over the state? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 212 Registered: 7-2010 |
Unless you want to clarify what you mean by 'did something happen before that'. What I meant was something like someone telling your father something your sister might have said about him. Is the event something that's typically for families? Or where fathers are specifically requested? Or something your father would've enjoyed as well, and your sister knew that? But she still didn't want him with her? So he thought she "allowed" him to drive but didn't allow him to be part of the event itself? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1317 Registered: 9-2010 |
So she was going somewhere near LA, right? Well, nearer to LA than home. Was the event attended by people from all over the country? All over the state? All over the *world*, I've no doubt, along with a resounding yes to those two. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1318 Registered: 9-2010 |
What I meant was something like someone telling your father something your sister might have said about him. Oh no, that's not what made him mad. Although it would have, probably. Is the event something that's typically for families? Mmm...No, unless the families all share the same common interest. Or where fathers are specifically requested? No Or something your father would've enjoyed as well, and your sister knew that? He might have, but irrelevant; remember, Heather didn't pay for her ticket, so she couldn't pay for him to come anyway. But she still didn't want him with her? THIS is definitely true. So he thought she "allowed" him to drive Yes... but didn't allow him to be part of the event itself? ...ish. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8031 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he want to come to the event? But couldn't? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1320 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he want to come to the event? Only after we got there, so that... But couldn't? Well, all the tickets were either sold out or if there were any at the door ones, were no doubt ridiculously high priced. It might help to know just where we were and what she was doing. What's the second biggest city in California (LA is first)? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8034 Registered: 4-2010 |
San Diego? Comic-Con? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1321 Registered: 9-2010 |
San Diego? Comic-Con? Yes and resounding YES!!! RECAP: In the summer of 2007, my dad agreed to take my sister, who had a ticket to the Comic-Con, to San Diego. Heather asked him to take me with us, for some reason not yet figured out. After the Comic-Con was over and we were on our way home, the puzzle statement happened. What, exactly, got Dad angry enough to "disown" Heather (even if only for half an hour? And remember, I'm not asking you why he took it back. I don't know. And I doubt my sister would have cared even if he hadn't withdrawn it.) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8035 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she in costume? Was a specific event at the Comic-Con relevant? A specific booth? Tolkien relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1322 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was she in costume? Was a specific event at the Comic-Con relevant? A specific booth? None of these, although she may have brought her costume with her. Tolkien relevant? I believe I said this on another puzzle, but alas, I have yet to show the poor misguided child the ways of the Professor. You're thinking too specifically. Hint: If she came to the Comic-Con to spend time with her friends who had pre-arranged to be there...what happened to Dad and I? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8036 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you and your dad have nothing to do for five or so days? Upsetting him? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1324 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did you and your dad have nothing to do for five or so days? Well, not *nothing*...San Diego is hardly only useful for the Comic-Con. But... Upsetting him? Yes, he was thoroughly upset because... | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 214 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did you have to wait somewhere outside the Comic-Con all the time until it was over? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 215 Registered: 7-2010 |
And you (or rather your dad) had to find and pay for your hotel rooms or wherever you stayed yourselves while your sister stayed with her friends? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1325 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did you have to wait somewhere outside the Comic-Con all the time until it was over? Well, we had to drop her off the first day and pick her up the last day, so not WAIT all the time, but... And you (or rather your dad) had to find and pay for your hotel rooms or wherever you stayed yourselves while your sister stayed with her friends? YES!! There's just one key bit of information missing...Dad wouldn't have minded taking me on vacation to San Diego. He really wouldn't. But you're still missing the CRUCIAL thing he "misheard"...whether deliberately or not...What did he think my sister was going to do, that she most certainly was not? You're all going around it without saying it... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8039 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he mishear the phrase "Comic-Con"? Another word? Or phrase? "Cosplay"? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1327 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he mishear the phrase "Comic-Con"? Another word? Or phrase? "Cosplay"? He misheard...if he wasn't blocking it out...her intentions for the three of us to be there. | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 216 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did he think that your sister didn't want to see him during the whole time you three were in San Diego? That she didn't want him at the Comic-Con even if he went there by himself? Or not even in the same hotel? So that she'd only see him during the rides? That this was the reason why she wanted you to join? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8041 Registered: 4-2010 |
Her intentions...for all three of you? For herself? Is any part of Comic-Con relevant to the mishearing? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 217 Registered: 7-2010 |
Wasn't he aware that your sister was planning to spend time primarily with her friends? Did he think that it'd be some kind of a family trip just for the three of you? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1328 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he think that your sister didn't want to see him during the whole time you three were in San Diego? That she didn't want him at the Comic-Con even if he went there by himself? Or not even in the same hotel? So that she'd only see him during the rides? That this was the reason why she wanted you to join? Her intentions...for all three of you? For herself? Is any part of Comic-Con relevant to the mishearing? Well, he didn't think that, and that's the problem, even though those WERE her intentions... Wasn't he aware that your sister was planning to spend time primarily with her friends? Did he think that it'd be some kind of a family trip just for the three of you? YOU GOT IT!!!!!!! He SHOULD have been aware, of course, as she told him right out, but he either wasn't listening, forgot, or "forgot on purpose"...and that is the ***SPOILER***!!! After our week in San Diego was up (which Heather spent at Comic-Con, and Dad and I spent sightseeing), Dad was simmering quietly on the way back. Though we kept any conversation casual, we could tell it was forced, and the tension was pretty thick in the car. Finally he demanded to know why she'd "abandoned" us, as he had wanted to spend time with both of us. She shrugged him off, reminding him that she had said from the outset that she was going with her friends, and she'd asked Dad to invite me so Dad and I could have fun together in San Diego. He exploded with the above statements, and pulled off the "special" shirt she'd given to him, so he was driving on the freeway with no shirt on. I had to sit next to him in the front and I kept my eyes averted. Eventually he had the sense to put his shirt back on and for some reason he retracted his statements "disowning" Heather (though I doubt verbal "disowning" would make a legally binding statement unless said with the right people around) and we made it home in one piece. Well done everyone, especially Potato and Balin! |
