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People often choose a particular job because there is a sense in which it won't involve what the job title suggests. How come?
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Is the job title semantically ambiguous? Like 'undertaker'?
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Is the job title semantically ambiguous? Like 'undertaker'?no or noish
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Do they take the job because it won't involve lots of hard work? Would the job title suggest it would?
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Do they take the job because it won't involve lots of hard work? yope or noishWould the job title suggest it would?ditto. You're ORT!!
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Does the job description suggest a higher wage than the job actually attracts?
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Does the job title make you think of: long working hours? difficult work? strenuous work? boring work? bad career chances? dangerous work? a lonely workplace? having to deal with difficult people? bad payment? working indoors? working outdoors? travelling a lot? not travelling at all?
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Does the job description suggest a higher wage than the job actually attracts?no
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Does the job title make you think of: long working hours?yesish, & that's most relevant of all the questions on your list, but there's something even more relevasnt that you haven't guessed yet difficult work? yes but irrel strenuous work? ditto boring work? no bad career chances? no dangerous work? yes but irrel a lonely workplace? no having to deal with difficult people? yes but irrel bad payment? no working indoors? yes but irrel working outdoors? no travelling a lot? no not travelling at all? yes but irrel
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Does the job title make you think of: having to work at night? on weekends? in rotating shifts? to have to go to work at short notice? not having many holidays?

Is the more relevant thing time-related at all?
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Does the title suggest one will work at odd hours, e.g. the middle of the night? That one needs to be available to come to work around the clock? That the person will never be able to retire?
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Does the job title make you think of: having to work at night? yes on weekends? yes in rotating shifts? possiblyto have to go to work at short notice?Yes, that's the most important point that's been brought up not having many holidays? noish

Is the more relevant thing time-related at all? yes
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Does the title suggest one will work at odd hours, e.g. the middle of the night? yes That one needs to be available to come to work around the clock? yesishThat the person will never be able to retire? no
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so the job title implies that you will need to work at short notice? but people often choose it because there is a sense in which you won't have to do that? meaning you will have notice? you will have time to prepare?

is the job 'relief X'? or 'locum X'? or 'stand in'?

are 'unsociable hours' relevant?

those who want the job - are they lazy? are they trying to avoid - working hard? working long hours? working unsociable hours? being poorly paid? being low status?

is their reason for wanting the job rational? do they understand what the job involves? are they making a mistake? based upon the name?

is pay relevant here? educational attainment? hobbies? race? romantic relationships?
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so the job title implies that you will need to work at short notice? yes but people often choose it because there is a sense in which you won't have to do that? yes meaning you will have notice? yes you will have time to prepare? yes, but there's an even more important factor for many people

is the job 'relief X'? or 'locum X'? or 'stand in'? no to all

are 'unsociable hours' relevant? no

those who want the job - are they lazy? probably notare they trying to avoid - working hard? no working long hours? possibly working unsociable hours? no being poorly paid?irrel being low status? ditto

is their reason for wanting the job rational? yes do they understand what the job involves? yes are they making a mistake? nobased upon the name? no

is pay relevant here? it might help you identify the job but need not figure into applicants' thinking educational attainment? yesishhobbies? possibly race? no romantic relationships? possibly
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Is the "more important factor" referenced above that one can choose when to work? can choose which jobs to take (and which to reject)? can have a choice of colleagues?
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Is the "more important factor" referenced above that one can choose when to work? nocan choose which jobs to take (and which to reject)?nocan have a choice of colleagues? no
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Can one choose where to work? Does one get anything from the employer that one can benefit from in their free time, such as a car that you're free to use or a computer? Or does the employer provide living quarters? Is insurance relevant?

Dunno what it's like in other countries, but in Germany the Armed Forces will pay for your university education if you commit yourself to them for a couple of years afterwards. Is it something like that?
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Can one choose where to work? irrel Does one get anything from the employer that one can benefit from in their free time, such as a car that you're free to use or a computer? no Or does the employer provide living quarters? no Is insurance relevant? no

Dunno what it's like in other countries, but in Germany the Armed Forces will pay for your university education if you commit yourself to them for a couple of years afterwards. Is it something like that?no
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Is the phrase 'on call' relevant?
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Is the phrase 'on call' relevant? The particular phrase is not relevant, but you're ORT
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HINT: Identify the job!!
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Found that LTPF list of job fields hiding somewhere...yay!

Profession:

Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?
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Found that LTPF list of job fields hiding somewhere...yay!

Profession:

Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other? yes to medical & no to all others
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Job - doctor? Nurse? PA? EMT?
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Job - doctor? Nurse? PA? EMT?Doctor, but find out what kind
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A surgeon? A physical therapist? An athletic trainer? A specialist? On a certain part of the body? A dentist?
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A surgeon?no A physical therapist?no An athletic trainer? no A specialistyope On a certain part of the body no? A dentist?no
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A specialist in a certain kind of medicine? Or disease?
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A specialist in a certain kind of medicine? yes Or disease? no
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A pharmacist?
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paediatrician? obstetrician? gynaecologist? radiologist? pathologist? microbiologist? public health physician? haematologist? oncologist? neurologist? intensivist? emergency room specialist? psychiatrist? general practitioner? dermatologist?

is the rank of the doctor relevant? attending? consultant? house officer? registrar? intern?
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paediatrician? obstetrician? gynaecologist? radiologist? pathologist? microbiologist? public health physician? haematologist? oncologist? neurologist? intensivist? emergency room specialist? psychiatrist? general practitioner? dermatologist? emergency room specialist

is the rank of the doctor relevant? attending? consultant? house officer? registrar? intern? I'm not familiar with all these ranks, but the puzzle involves a reason why a doctor might choose to become an emergency room specialist
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A pharmacist? no
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Is the reason related to the "emergency" aspect of the job? To the "specialist" part?
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is the answer that the term 'emergency room specialist' seems to imply that the doctor will be constantly working in a situation with challenging, high pressured, last minute, scary, one-off, high stress situations - but that actually they are so highly trained and get so much experience in these situations that they are not actually so challenging but actually become normal?

(I know an emergency department specialist who left because it all became same-y. He went into Public Health because we do something different every day!)
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Is the reason related to the "emergency" aspect of the job? yes To the "specialist" part? no
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is the answer that the term 'emergency room specialist' seems to imply that the doctor will be constantly working in a situation with challenging, high pressured, last minute, scary, one-off, high stress situations - but that actually they are so highly trained and get so much experience in these situations that they are not actually so challenging but actually become normal? irrel

(I know an emergency department specialist who left because it all became same-y. He went into Public Health because we do something different every day!) interesting!!
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Do emergency room specialists rarely deal with actual emergencies?
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Is the fact that the ER department only deals with the patient until they are stable enough to go to a ward or to the operating theatre relevant? i.e. The doctor's might have a particular patient in their care for only a short period of time?
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Do emergency room specialists rarely deal with actual emergencies? see next answer
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Is the fact that the ER department only deals with the patient until they are stable enough to go to a ward or to the operating theatre relevant? see next answeri.e. The doctor's might have a particular patient in their care for only a short period of time? yes

This is close enough for me to declare a

******** SPOILER *******************
Some doctors choose to become emergency room specialists because when your emergency room shift is over, it's over. Unlike an obstetrician, for example, an emergency room doctor is never called away from his free time to deal with an emergency for a longstanding patient--because he has no longstanding patients. Sorry it was so easy & please check out my new puzzle you know where.
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Hurrah another Nimue solve. We may disagree on John Lennon but it's always a pleasure to solve one of your puzzles.
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A pleasure for me, too!

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