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| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 396 Registered: 9-2010 |
Alex, Bob, Carl, and Dan go to a restaurant for dinner and order albatross. After the waiter brings the food, Alex shoots Bob twice, Carl three times, and Dan once. Bob then shoots Alex. A few minutes later, Alex runs home and commits suicide. About a year later, four men bring the waiter to a private room, tie him up, and shoot him repeatedly. How can this most bizarre situation be explained? Note: The similar "classic" puzzle is related to this, but there is far more going on here. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1745 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are Alex, Bob, Carl, and Dan all H/A/M? Do they know each other? Were they shot with a gun? A camera? Were they ever on a deserted island? Assuming yes, was it the same island? Were they together? Did Alex commit suicide with a gun? The same gun used in the shooting, if a camera was not used? With some other weapon? Are the four men related in any way to Alex, Bob, Carl, and Dan, if they are not in fact Alex, Bob, Carl and Dan? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 921 Registered: 5-2009 |
Alex shoots Bob: with a weapon? a camera? Alex shoots Carl: with a weapon? a camera? Alex shoots Dan: with a weapon? a camera? Bob shoots Alex: with a weapon? a camera? Four men shoot the waiter: with a weapon? a camera? Alex runs home: Is it relevant that he doesn't walk? Drive? Does he run to his own home? Alex commits suicide: Successfully? Did he intend to do so when he started running home? When he arrived there? Did Alex eat some of the food? Bob? Carl? Dan? The waiter? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1747 Registered: 9-2010 |
TortieKitten can't come to the computer right now, because I'm on it and she doesn't have her laptop here. But she wants to know, providing that three of the four people who come to the restaurant and kill the waiter are Bob, Carl, and Dan, who is the fourth person (since Alex is apparently dead at his own hand)? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 397 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are Alex, Bob, Carl, and Dan all H/A/M? Yes Do they know each other? Yes Were they shot with a gun? A camera? This one. Good job getting it so quick. Were they ever on a deserted island? Assuming yes, was it the same island? Were they together? Yes to these Did Alex commit suicide with a gun? irrelevant The same gun used in the shooting, if a camera was not used? With some other weapon? Are the four men related in any way to Alex, Bob, Carl, and Dan, if they are not in fact Alex, Bob, Carl and Dan? The four men are not Alex, Bob, Carl, and Dan. If they are related, probably not but DOYD of "related". Alex shoots Bob: with a weapon? a camera? Alex shoots Carl: with a weapon? a camera? Alex shoots Dan: with a weapon? a camera? Bob shoots Alex: with a weapon? a camera? As mentioned above, it was a camera. Four men shoot the waiter: with a weapon? a camera? Weapon Alex runs home: Is it relevant that he doesn't walk? Drive? Does he run to his own home? He runs home. The act of running isn't relevant. Assume it's his own home. Alex commits suicide: Successfully? Did he intend to do so when he started running home? When he arrived there? Yes to all Did Alex eat some of the food? Yes Bob? Carl? Dan? One of them definitely ate it - let's assume it's Bob. Carl and Dan probably did too. The waiter? Doubtful. TortieKitten can't come to the computer right now, because I'm on it and she doesn't have her laptop here. But she wants to know, providing that three of the four people who come to the restaurant and kill the waiter are Bob, Carl, and Dan, who is the fourth person (since Alex is apparently dead at his own hand)? Bob, Carl, and Dan were not the ones who killed the waiter. And the waiter wasn't at the restaurant at the time. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8847 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the albatross actually albatross? Had any of A/B/C/D tried albatross before? If so, was it actually albatross? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 398 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was the albatross actually albatross? No! Good question Had any of A/B/C/D tried albatross before? If so, was it actually albatross? They all have, and it was. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8859 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did A/B/C/D think they were eating albatross? Think they were eating something else? The first time they tried it - is that related to the classic? Were they on a deserted island? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 930 Registered: 5-2009 |
Are B, C, and D alive when the waiter is killed? Did A commit suicide because he assumed he didn't consume albatross the first time? Because he assumed (some of) the others would assume this? When they tried albatross the first time: Were they together when they did? Did some of them shoot/catch the albatross then (if so: A? B? C? D?)? Did anyone of them doubt he really ate albatross before getting the non-albatross at the restaurant (if so: A? B? C? D?) | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 401 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did A/B/C/D think they were eating albatross? Think they were eating something else? When? The first time they tried it - is that related to the classic? Were they on a deserted island? Yes. It's similar to the classic, only it really was albatross, not dead human. Are B, C, and D alive when the waiter is killed? Assume yes. Did A commit suicide because he assumed he didn't consume albatross the first time? Yes. Exactly as in the classic except he was wrong. Because he assumed (some of) the others would assume this? Possibly When they tried albatross the first time: Were they together when they did? Well they were all on the island... Did some of them shoot/catch the albatross then (if so: A? B? C? D?)? Someone must have. It doesn't matter who. Did anyone of them doubt he really ate albatross before getting the non-albatross at the restaurant (if so: A? B? C? D?) No. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 936 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the following correct: A, B, C and D were on a deserted island and had to find something to eat. One (or more) of them managed to kill an albatross which they all ate. Were any other persons on the deserted island at the same time? One? Two? More? If so: Was anyone of them killed while A..D were on the island? Did the waiter serve non-albatross in order to do harm to anybody (if so: A? B? C? D someone else?)? Or just because he didn't have any real albatross to serve? Is the killing of the waiter an execution? Murder? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 403 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the following correct: A, B, C and D were on a deserted island and had to find something to eat. One (or more) of them managed to kill an albatross which they all ate. Yes, but keep in mind this was before the restaurant scene. Were any other persons on the deserted island at the same time? One? Two? More? If so: Was anyone of them killed while A..D were on the island? If so, they are irrelevant. Assume there were none. Did the waiter serve non-albatross in order to do harm to anybody (if so: A? B? C? D someone else?)? Or just because he didn't have any real albatross to serve? Assume it was malevolent. Is the killing of the waiter an execution? This one. Murder? If you believe the death penalty is murder, then yes, I suppose it would be. But legally, no. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8867 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they assume the waiter was a murderer? Did they think he had killed a person? Was he a murderer? Ooh, ooh, idea...in the restaurant, were they actually eating human? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 404 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did they assume the waiter was a murderer? See below Did they think he had killed a person? See below Was he a murderer? Possibly manslaughter, possibly murder. I'm not a legal expert. Ooh, ooh, idea...in the restaurant, were they actually eating human? No. Good thought though. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8877 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they think the waiter had killed Alex? Relevant what they were actually eating in the restaurant? Was it another type of bird? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 407 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did they think the waiter had killed Alex? Not directly, but he had plotted. Relevant what they were actually eating in the restaurant? No Was it another type of bird? Probably | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8886 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the waiter serve the fake albatross so that Alex would kill himself? By following the line of thinking from the classic? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 410 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did the waiter serve the fake albatross so that Alex would kill himself? By following the line of thinking from the classic? Yes. Now just find out why they shot eachother with camera and who the four men are. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8895 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is any of A/B/C/D's occupations relevant? Any of the four men's? Are any of A/B/C/D included in the four men? Any of their relatives? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 411 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is any of A/B/C/D's occupations relevant? No Any of the four men's? Yes. And to spare you the trouble, they're in law enforcement. Are any of A/B/C/D included in the four men? No Any of their relatives? No | ||
| Docd (Docd)
New member Username: Docd Post Number: 111 Registered: 12-2004 |
The 4 men. Were they a firing squad (performing a judicial execution)? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 412 Registered: 9-2010 |
The 4 men. Were they a firing squad (performing a judicial execution)? Precisely. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8919 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were A/B/C/D shot with the same camera? Were the pictures candid shots? Posed shots? Were they eating the "albatross" when the picture was taken? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 414 Registered: 9-2010 |
Were A/B/C/D shot with the same camera? Were the pictures candid shots? Posed shots? irrelevant to this Were they eating the "albatross" when the picture was taken? Assume it was just before they ate the albatross. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8945 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the pictures used as evidence to convict the waiter? Were the pictures relevant to Alex's suicide at all? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 418 Registered: 9-2010 |
Were the pictures used as evidence to convict the waiter? Were the pictures relevant to Alex's suicide at all? Only in that the restaurant scene with the fake albatross is relevant. And the pictures themselves are not relevant. I only threw them in there so I could use the word "shoot". | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8964 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Alex commit suicide by the same reasoning as Classic Man? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 423 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did Alex commit suicide by the same reasoning as Classic Man? Yes, although in this case his reasoning is faulty. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9008 Registered: 4-2010 |
So Alex thought that he had actually eaten human on the island? Only it was really albatross? And the "fake albatross" made him think that...well, you know the rest? *unintentional reference to woubit's Christmas puzzle* Had Alex been stranded on the deserted island with the waiter? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 425 Registered: 9-2010 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So Alex thought that he had actually eaten human on the island? Only it was really albatross? And the "fake albatross" made him think that...well, you know the rest? *unintentional reference to woubit's Christmas puzzle* Yes! And that's good anough for a spoiler ******SPOILER************ A B C D had been on desserted Island years before and had eaten albatross that one had killed. Years later, they reunite and go to restauarant and decide they will all eat albatross to celebrate liberation. However, Waiter overhears and decides he wants to be mean and kill Alex so he secretly substitutes pelican. Alex eats the Pelican thinking it's albatross, and when ne notices it tastes different he assumes he ate dead human from his friend Edgar who also was on the island but died, and runs home and kills himself. Bob then recognizes it as Pelican and alerts the others, but it is too late for Alex. The waiter, meanwhile, is found guilty of murdering Alex, sentenced to death, and executed. Good job Balin! You've done it again. Had Alex been stranded on the deserted island with the waiter? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9018 Registered: 4-2010 |
Fun puzzle! IMHO, spinoffs from classics are always awesome, and definitely provide an interesting way of thinking laterally about lateral thinking. |
