| Author | Message | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2010 |
Hey! I'm new to this forum and this is my very first lateral thinking puzzle. I hope it's not too easy for you guys. She loved him. He knew she would die. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2123 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is her dying related in any way to loving him? She 1 = she 2? Him = he? | ||
| Visconti (Visconti)
New member Username: Visconti Post Number: 430 Registered: 2-2005 |
she=human? he=human? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is her dying related in any way to loving him? yope She 1 = she 2? yes Him = he? yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2010 |
she=human? yes he=human? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9603 Registered: 4-2010 |
Welcome to the forum, Doriana! Did he love her? Was theirs a forbidden love? Did he know how she was going to die? Was he going to kill her? Was she going to be killed? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1924 Registered: 9-2010 |
Welcome to the forum! We're a friendly lot here :-) Is this a true story? FYOI (Something you invented)? FSEI (Someone else invented)? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1107 Registered: 9-2009 |
Welcome Doriana! "Love story" movie relevant? | ||
| Visconti (Visconti)
New member Username: Visconti Post Number: 431 Registered: 2-2005 |
does this story have to do with fire (as the title suggests)? a fire fighter? | ||
| Visconti (Visconti)
New member Username: Visconti Post Number: 432 Registered: 2-2005 |
does this story have to do with fire (as the title suggests)? a fire fighter? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he love her? no Was theirs a forbidden love? noish Did he know how she was going to die? yes Was he going to kill her? no Was she going to be killed? no Is this a true story? yes FYOI (Something you invented)? FSEI (Someone else invented)? no to rest "Love story" movie relevant? no does this story have to do with fire (as the title suggests)? no a fire fighter? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9608 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she die? If so, did she die of natural causes? Accidentally? Executed? Suicide? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she die? yes If so, did she die of natural causes? yes Accidentally? Executed? Suicide? no to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9613 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she have a pre-existing condition? A disease? Had she loved him for a long time? Did he use to love her? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she have a pre-existing condition? yes A disease? yes Had she loved him for a long time? no Did he use to love her? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9617 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she know she was dying? Would he have known if she hadn't loved him? Would she have? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she know she was dying? no Would he have known if she hadn't loved him? noish Would she have? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9621 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would she have died if she didn't love him? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2010 |
Would she have died if she didn't love him? yes-sih Maybe I should change my puzzle statemant a little bit (I hope that's okay for a newbie like me): She told him that she loved him. He knew she would die. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1110 Registered: 9-2009 |
Regarding your restatement of the puzzle: should we attempt to discover: the reasons for her love? the reasons based on which he knew of her proximate death? something else? Is he a famous person? Is she? If so please [LTPF list of centuries]? [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2010 |
Regarding your restatement of the puzzle: should we attempt to discover: the reasons for her love? yes the reasons based on which he knew of her proximate death? yes something else? please rephrase Is he a famous person? yesish, but not really relevant to the solution. it might help you though Is she? no If so please [LTPF list of centuries]? [LTPF list of continents]? USA, ~1980es | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2010 |
I just realized that the USA are not a continent and that the 1980es aren't a century either, sorry! But I guess that makes it easier for you. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1943 Registered: 9-2010 |
That's ok Doriana...it doesn't help me much yet! Still thinking on it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9642 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he know she would die before she told him of her love? Did she love him because he was famous-ish? Was he a celebrity? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he know she would die before she told him of her love? no Did she love him because he was famous-ish? no Was he a celebrity? no, and i don't think you can call him one now either | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2010 |
Some additional information: I just found out that the two versions of this story, a true one and an adapted one, are slightly different. I'm referring to the adapted version here. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9654 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the exact wording of her statement relevant? Did she pledge her "undying love"? Her "dying love"? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the exact wording of her statement relevant? noish Did she pledge her "undying love"? Her "dying love"? no to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9661 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is her job relevant? Is his? Did she tell him she loved him in a statement? A poem? A song? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is her job relevant? no, but in the true story it is slightly Is his? yes!! Did she tell him she loved him in a statement? yes A poem? A song? no to rest By the way, the adapted version to which I'm referring is set in the 2000s, but still in the USA. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9668 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is his job in: Artistic / musical / writer Banking / financial / real estate Clerical / Administrative Computer related / Hardware Construction / Craftsman Criminal / Questionable Repute Education / Academic Research Entertainment / Media Environmental / Outdoors / Nature Executive / Management Hospitality / Travel Legal Services Manufacturing / Distributions Medical / Health Services Politics / Government / Military Sales / Marketing Technical / Science / Engineering Teaching / Child care Transport Food Service Other ? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2010 |
Artistic / musical / writer Banking / financial / real estate Clerical / Administrative Computer related / Hardware Construction / Craftsman Criminal / Questionable Repute Education / Academic Research Entertainment / Media Environmental / Outdoors / Nature Executive / Management Hospitality / Travel Legal Services Manufacturing / Distributions Medical this / Health Services Politics / Government / Military Sales / Marketing Technical / Science / Engineering Teaching / Child care Transport Food Service Other | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9689 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he a doctor? Her doctor? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is he a doctor? yes Her doctor? yes! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9704 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would it help to figure out the disease? Was it ALS? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2010 |
Would it help to figure out the disease? Yes, it's more or less the solution Was it ALS? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9715 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it a congenital defect? Did it affect her heart? Nerves? Muscles? Brain? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it a congenital defect? no Did it affect her heart? no Nerves? yes Muscles? no Brain? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9722 Registered: 4-2010 |
Leprosy? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 35 Registered: 12-2010 |
Leprosy? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9723 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it a chronic disease? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 37 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it a chronic disease? yep | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1119 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he infer from her statement of love that she had that particular disease, which is fatal? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 41 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he infer from her statement of love that she had that particular disease, which is fatal? yes!! The very last step is to find out the disease, and then the solution is complete | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1120 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it a prion disease? A viral disease? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it a prion disease? A viral disease? No to both; it's caused by bacteria | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9767 Registered: 4-2010 |
Meningitis? Tetanus? Botulism? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1124 Registered: 9-2009 |
I'm lost here :-) Is it a common disease? Some that doesn't need specialized knowledge to be pin-pointed? Meningitis? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 49 Registered: 12-2010 |
Meningitis? Tetanus? Botulism? no to all Is it a common disease? quite Some that doesn't need specialized knowledge to be pin-pointed? yes, although I didn't know it was caused by bacteria until I looked it up Meningitis? no HINT: The patient is quite old and caught this disease a long time ago. And remember, she didn't know she had it until she told her doctor she loved him. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1127 Registered: 9-2009 |
Alzheimer? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2010 |
Alzheimer? no Do you want to continue guessing the disease? I think you're really close to the solution now so that I could also spoil it if you gave me a complete sentence with all the neccessary information (: | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1130 Registered: 9-2009 |
Well, let's try: an elderly woman said to her doctor that she is in love with him. The doctor then realizes that the woman is suffering from a neurological disorder that will be fatal to her. The disease, caused by a bacteria, is not yet determined in this puzzle. Is there more to to it? If some characteristics of the disease are of utmost importance, do not $poil it yet. Someone more knowledgeable that me in this area might find it | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 54 Registered: 12-2010 |
an elderly woman said to her doctor that she is in love with him. The doctor then realizes that the woman is suffering from a neurological disorder that will be fatal to her. The disease, caused by a bacteria, is not yet determined in this puzzle. Is there more to to it? That's it Okay, I won't spoil it yet - someone still has to find out how this specific disease is related to the woman's feelings towards her doctor. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1989 Registered: 9-2010 |
you should say $poil, not the other, until you mean to end the puzzle, otherwise the mods might shelve it prematurely...I'm not sure why it happens that way, but it does...not a good idea to spell the word until you mean it. :-) Did the bacteria give her some sort of psychosis? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 57 Registered: 12-2010 |
"you should say $poil, not the other, until you mean to end the puzzle, otherwise the mods might shelve it prematurely...I'm not sure why it happens that way, but it does...not a good idea to spell the word until you mean it. :-)" Oh, okay! Thanks for the info, I didn't know that! (: Did the bacteria give her some sort of psychosis? Yes, "some sort of", but it's only a part of the disease. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9775 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she think the doctor was someone else? A love interest from her past? A famous person from the past? Did she have dementia? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 59 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she think the doctor was someone else? Noish - She knew he was her doctor, but she also talked about someone else. But that's not really relevant A love interest from her past? no A famous person She compares the doctor to a famous person, but see above from the past? no Did she have dementia? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9777 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she confuse the doctor with the famous person? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 60 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she confuse the doctor with the famous person? No, she only compares him to the famous person. But the famous person is not really relevant and might confuse _you_ (; I don't know if this is of any help, but it's Ashton Kutcher. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9798 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she compare the doctor to a younger Ashton Kutcher? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 63 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she compare the doctor to a younger Ashton Kutcher? Younger than the doctor? Yes. But I think you really shouldn't pursue this thought, it won't help you. I guess I shouldn't have mentioned him in the first place... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9813 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the woman have a celeb crush on AK? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 72 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the woman have a celeb crush on AK? yes, kind of | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9825 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the woman know AK? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 76 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the woman know AK? not personally | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9833 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the woman think that the doctor was AK? Looked like AK? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 81 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the woman think that the doctor was AK? no Looked like AK? yesish, she points out some things they have in common | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9837 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she think that the doctor had AK's eyes? Were their eyes different colors? Or did she point out some other "similarity" that actually didn't exist? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 84 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she think that the doctor had AK's eyes? yes Were their eyes different colors? I don't know, and irrel Or did she point out some other "similarity" that actually didn't exist? no, and I think the similarity actually exists By the way, her "celeb crush" on AK is also caused by her disease. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9888 Registered: 4-2010 |
So, let me try and recap what we know: -The woman has a celebrity crush on Ashton Kutcher, caused by the disease. -The woman confuses the doctor with AK, and tells him she loves him. -By this statement, the doctor realizes that she has the disease (which affects the nerves and brain) and she will die. Is that all correct? Did I miss anything? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2010 |
-The woman has a celebrity crush on Ashton Kutcher, caused by the disease. yes -The woman confuses the doctor with AK, and tells him she loves him. no! She knows that the doctor is the doctor, she just points out a similarity between him and AK. There's nothing wrong with her memory or something like that -By this statement, the doctor realizes that she has the disease (which affects the nerves and brain) and she will die. yes Is that all correct? see above Did I miss anything? no, nothing relevant (: | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9907 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she say that she loved AK? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 94 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she say that she loved AK? no, just that she finds him attractive. And she actually never used the word "love" when she talked to the doctor | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9943 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she make a comparison about something that she shouldn't ordinarily have been able to? (i.e. if she were blind, and said their eyes looked similar) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she make a comparison about something that she shouldn't ordinarily have been able to? (i.e. if she were blind, and said their eyes looked similar) no, the comparison is absolutely ok. I for example could have made it too | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2010 |
Alright, I'm headed towards nursing school so I'll throw my hat in the ring as far as diseases caused by infection. I think all this AK stuff is throwing us way off... Botulism? Diphtheria? Tetanus? Syphilis? Malaria? (Which can cause hallucinations) Does the disease specifically target the eyes? Conjuctivitis? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2010 |
Botulism? Diphtheria? Tetanus? Syphilis? YES!! Malaria? (Which can cause hallucinations) Does the disease specifically target the eyes? Conjuctivitis? And once again, Sam found the last missing piece of information, nice work! Here's the ********SPOILER******** This puzzle is based on the episode "Poison" of House. An old Lady, Georgia, tells House that she's feeling very well lately and that she has sexual phantasies involving younger men, especially Ashton Kutcher. She also starts flirting with House and tells him she finds him attractive. House figurs out that her sudden personality change is caused by neurosyphilis, and she admits that she might have caught it as a teenager. House prescribes penicillin, but she refuses treatment because the brain damage makes her feel so good. The House episode is based on a true story featured in Oliver Sacks' book "The man who mistook his wife for a hat". In this version, the old lady doesn't have a crush on the doctor, but only tells him that she feels young and vivacious again. | ||
| Cupofsun1 (Cupofsun1)
New member Username: Cupofsun1 Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2010 |
Nice! Keep those puzzles coming, this one was tricky. Thanks to everyone else for the groundwork! | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1156 Registered: 9-2009 |
Nice one Doriana! I was way OTWT trying to think at "pure" neurological diseases... and I never thought of syphilis, which I categorized as simply a STD. Luckily I'm not a doctor :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9948 Registered: 4-2010 |
This was a good one! I have vague recollections of the episode, but I haven't watched the show in a while. |
