| Author | Message | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1369 Registered: 6-2008 |
This one is my on invention. I thought of it today, after I noticed the fact that I have been experiencing it a lot lately. I'll call it the Law of Crossing Traffic. The implications of this are not really annoying, like people crossing three lanes to exit the freeway at the last second. But it is still awkward, because it seems like one of those cases where someone trying to help makes something less efficient for everyone. What is it? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10206 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the traffic at a specific location? In a parking lot? Crossing the street? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1370 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the traffic at a specific location?Not if you mean like in front of a shopping center, at a school, etc. But not just anywhere along a road will do. In a parking lot?No Crossing the street? If you mean pedestrians crossing, they are irrelevant. A similar thing may happen when they cross, but that is more likely to seem justified. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10208 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the law apply to drivers? To pedestrians? To animals crossing the street? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1371 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does the law apply to drivers? These only. As mentioned above, a similar thing may happen when a pedestrian tries to cross. However, it is always a driver who takes the action that makes the law hold true. To pedestrians? To animals crossing the street? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2245 Registered: 9-2010 |
Does it have to do with drivers making a right turn on a red light? (Which is legal here, unless there's a sign specifically stating otherwise) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3622 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant: stopping? Slowing down? Speeding up? Changing lanes? Using lights? Honking? Merging lanes? Traffic lights? Roundabouts? Certain types of road vehicles? Vehicle size? Speed? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1372 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does it have to do with drivers making a right turn on a red light? (Which is legal here, unless there's a sign specifically stating otherwise) No Relevant: stopping?This Slowing down?and this Speeding up? Changing lanes? Using lights? Honking? Merging lanes? Traffic lights?Only in that it CANNOT occur at an intersection with lights Roundabouts? Certain types of road vehicles? Vehicle size? Speed? No to all the rest. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10235 Registered: 4-2010 |
Stopping at a stop sign? Slowing down but passing through the sign without stopping? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 677 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is highway driving relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1373 Registered: 6-2008 |
Stopping at a stop sign? Slowing down but passing through the sign without stopping? Only in that this cannot happen at a 4-way stop. Is highway driving relevant?No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10243 Registered: 4-2010 |
Can this happen at a three-way stop? Two way? Can this work if only one car is approaching the intersection? Two? Three? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1374 Registered: 6-2008 |
Can this happen at a three-way stop? Two way? Both, as long as there is some direction from which approaching cars do not need to stop. Can this work if only one car is approaching the intersection?No Two?No Three?Yes, though there are usually more involved. Note: Here, "approaching" was taken to mean "moving in the direction of the intersection", including cars that are waiting at a stop sign or are directly behind other cars about to go through the intersection. There need only be traffic coming from two directions, however. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10246 Registered: 4-2010 |
Taking a left turn at the intersection relevant? Right turn? Going straight? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1375 Registered: 6-2008 |
Taking a left turn at the intersection relevant? Right turn? Going straight? Could be any of these. But it does matter where the non-stopping traffic is relative to the person waiting at the intersection. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10258 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the person crossing the path of the non-stopping traffic? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1376 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the person crossing the path of the non-stopping traffic? YES (or merging with it) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4299 Registered: 5-2003 |
Anything to do with the guy who was recently killed while trying to play real-life Frogger? Anything to do with slowing down/speeding up as you merge? Trying to wait for someone to pass or cross before you do so? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1377 Registered: 6-2008 |
Anything to do with the guy who was recently killed while trying to play real-life Frogger? No, I have to look that one up. Anything to do with slowing down/speeding up as you merge?Slowing down, yes. Trying to wait for someone to pass or cross before you do so? Yesish | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4301 Registered: 5-2003 |
Do you think that people slow down too much? Not enough? Wait too long? Don't wait long enough? Pedestrians relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1378 Registered: 6-2008 |
Do you think that people slow down too much? Not enough? Could be stated as either, when referring to different people, and same for the next two. When I say "different people", I mean those whose cars are differently situated in the traffic flow. Wait too long? Don't wait long enough? Pedestrians relevant?No | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2288 Registered: 9-2010 |
happy 2011 Biograd & everyone!!! bedtime for kaylee *yawn* | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10300 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the type of car relevant? People with X car are more likely to let others cross/merge? Is the law about who is more likely to let others cross traffic (or merge with it)? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1379 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the type of car relevant?No People with X car are more likely to let others cross/merge?So no Is the law about who is more likely to let others cross traffic (or merge with it)?YES. But beware the caveat on "who" I mentioned above. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10303 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does this law apply to multi-lane roads? To single-lane roads? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1380 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does this law apply to multi-lane roads? To single-lane roads?Could be to either, though the more lanes there are, the less likely it will be that cars in all the lanes will stop simultaneously to let someone through. This fact is not related to the theory, however. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10312 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the people more likely to allow for the crossing or merging those without a stop sign? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1381 Registered: 6-2008 |
Are the people more likely to allow for the crossing or merging those without a stop sign? Probably everyone is more likely to let someone through who doesn't have a stop sign, but that's irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10323 Registered: 4-2010 |
People without a stop sign stopping at an intersection relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1382 Registered: 6-2008 |
People without a stop sign stopping at an intersection relevant? Yes, it applies to them only, as the others should stop no matter what. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10329 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are these drivers more likely to allow for another car to cross or merge? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1383 Registered: 6-2008 |
Are these drivers more likely to allow for another car to cross or merge? If by "these" you mean those who don't have a stop sign, then no, as of course the ones with a stop sign have a reason other than mere courtesy to let someone else through the intersection. If you mean whether some cars within the lane of steady traffic are more likely to let someone through than others, then yes, that's what the theory is about. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10342 Registered: 4-2010 |
Passengers in the cars relevant? People who are driving the cars relevant? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1384 Registered: 6-2008 |
Passengers in the cars relevant? People who are driving the cars relevant? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10363 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the make of the car relevant? The color? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1385 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the make of the car relevant? The color? No. Hint: You need to imagine that the traffic in the lane that doesn't need to stop is rather busy. What kind of "pattern" do cars in a busy lane of traffic tend to come in? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10395 Registered: 4-2010 |
Slow car in front, annoyed drivers behind? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1386 Registered: 6-2008 |
Slow car in front, annoyed drivers behind? That is also a pattern that exists, but not what I was referring to. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10412 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do the cars behind try to pass the cars in front? And thus cut off the one trying to cross or merge? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2191 Registered: 7-2009 |
When traffic is busy, people tend to ride really close to the car in front of them. Relevant? Are the rare people who don't ride really close the ones who are more likely to stop? The other way around? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1387 Registered: 6-2008 |
Do the cars behind try to pass the cars in front? And thus cut off the one trying to cross or merge? No to both. When traffic is busy, people tend to ride really close to the car in front of them. Relevant? Yope. Are the rare people who don't ride really close the ones who are more likely to stop?No The other way around? I think yesish, if I understand you correctly. It seems you identified the relevant pattern, namely that the traffic tends to look something like carcarcarcar.......carcarcarcarcarcar......carcar etc. The location of the cars relative to the gaps, however they are formed (by the drivers' own antsiness or by a traffic light somewhere else) is the relevant part. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10466 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the crossing car not cross/merge in the gaps, thinking he or she will not make it? Only to be cut off by a gazjillion more cars? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1388 Registered: 6-2008 |
Does the crossing car not cross/merge in the gaps, thinking he or she will not make it? Only to be cut off by a gazjillion more cars? No to both. The theory is not about what the driver trying to cross does. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10476 Registered: 4-2010 |
Size of the gaps relevant? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2196 Registered: 7-2009 |
carcarcar.....car1car2car3car4car5....carcar In the above layout, is it car 1 that stops? car 2? car 3? car 4? car 5? other? I would think it was car 1, since car 1 is the only one who is driving politely and not apparently rushing to get somewhere, but car 1 is the only one that seems to have been ruled out by your answer to my previous question. Of course, my question wasn't all that clear, and so your answer wasn't all that confident, so I'm double checking. =) | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1390 Registered: 6-2008 |
carcarcar.....car1car2car3car4car5....carcar In the above layout, is it car 1 that stops? car 2? car 3? car 4? car 5? other? It depends on which way the traffic is driving. If it's right to left, as it seems you imply, then it's car 5 that tends to stop, probably because the driver sees that nobody is behind him who could get annoyed. But this makes no sense, because if anyone should continue on through the intersection, it is the driver with the huge gap behind him! Not only is that car unnecessarily delayed, it gives the driver trying to cross a moment of pause before he realizes that he should cut in front of the last car, rather than wait for the gap. As you point out, the ones who really would do best slowing down are the ones with a gap in front of them. *******************SPOILER******************** | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2206 Registered: 7-2009 |
Ah, I see. That certainly is annoying. You're right, though, I have seen people do that for some strange reason. |
