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| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6200 Registered: 8-2001 |
When Merton saw Idris's fingers, he knew that Idris was rich, even though Idris wasn't wearing rings and there was nothing special about her manicure. How come? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3619 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he see it by observing the fingers themselves? Or was there something relevant on the fingers? Something missing from the fingers? Relevant what century this happened? Decade? Continent? Country? Did he have any other relevant information about her? Could he have seen it if he only saw the: thumb? Index finger? Pinky? Did he see it on a certain part of the fingers? Such as: fingerprint? Knuckles? Joints? Fingernails? Dirt under the fingernails relevant? Calluses? Or lack of them? Was whatever he saw: something she deliberately did? Or a consequence of her lifestyle? Do most rich women share this trait (or what you'd like to call it)? How about rich men? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1130 Registered: 7-2001 |
is it the fact that the fingers were visible that is relevant? is it relevant what the fingers were doing? were they performing some action that revealed she was rich? was their placement important? were the fingers in a relevant position? were they signalling something? could he have known she was riich by observing some other part of her body? her toes? her face? is the colour of the fingers relevant? is her age relevant? her race? her religion? her education? her place of residence? her romantic relationships? her hobbies? her pets? her job? was idris doing anything immoral at the time? being charitable? were her riches were earned? inherited? married into wealth? relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-2010 |
Just a weird wild guess: Did she have a knuckle tattoo that said r-i-c-h? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6202 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3619 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 9:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did he see it by observing the fingers themselves? yesish Or was there something relevant on the fingers? no Something missing from the fingers? no Relevant what century this happened? probably could be almost anytime, but more likely before about 1995 or so Decade? see previous answerContinent? noCountry? noDid he have any other relevant information about her? yesCould he have seen it if he only saw the: thumb? yope Index finger? yope Pinky? yope Did he see it on a certain part of the fingers? noSuch as: fingerprint? Knuckles? Joints? Fingernails? Dirt under the fingernails relevant? no Calluses? a rich woman may be unlikely to have callouses, but that's irrelOr lack of them? no Was whatever he saw: something she deliberately did? yes Or a consequence of her lifestyle? Do most rich women share this trait (or what you'd like to call it)? probably not How about rich men? about as likely as women, that's my guess Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1130 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 10:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is it the fact that the fingers were visible that is relevant? yes is it relevant what the fingers were doing? noish were they performing some action that revealed she was rich? noish was their placement important? yopewere the fingers in a relevant position? noish were they signalling something? no could he have known she was riich by observing some other part of her body?possiblyish her toes? ditto her face? ditto is the colour of the fingers relevant? no is her age relevant? noher race? no her religion? noher education? no her place of residence? no her romantic relationships? no her hobbies? no her pets? no her job? no was idris doing anything immoral at the time? no being charitable? no were her riches were earned? inherited? married into wealth? relevant? Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 10:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Just a weird wild guess: Did she have a knuckle tattoo that said r-i-c-h? No. Why suppose only a rich person would do that? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9995 Registered: 4-2010 |
Time period relevant? The season? Were her hands in contrast to those of others? Being warm? Ungloved? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 117 Registered: 12-2010 |
Well, I said it was weird! And, now that you point it out, it sounds even less likely. Does it have to do with (not) wearing gloves? Is there anything special about Merton that we should find out? Is he rich too? Was it something she was doing with her fingers? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6206 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9995 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 10:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Time period relevant? no The season? no Were her hands in contrast to those of others? noBeing warm? no Ungloved? she was ungloved & that's relevant Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 117 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 10:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Well, I said it was weird! And, now that you point it out, it sounds even less likely. Does it have to do with (not) wearing gloves?it;s relevant that she was not wearing gloves Is there anything special about Merton that we should find out? noIs he rich too? irrel Was it something she was doing with her fingers? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10016 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Merton wearing gloves? Did Merton say anything relevant? Did Idris? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 121 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it relevant where they were? Indoors, outdoors? The other relevant information he had about her, was it about her looks? Her character? Would a poor woman have worn gloves in the same situation? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6208 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10016 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 11:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was Merton wearing gloves?irrel Did Merton say anything relevant? no Did Idris? no Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 121 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, December 25, 2010 - 11:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it relevant where they were? yes Indoors, outdoors? indoors The other relevant information he had about her, was it about her looks? no Her character? no Would a poor woman have worn gloves in the same situation? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10032 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant what building they are in? A restaurant? Somewhere cold? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2010 |
Were they alone in the room/building? Are other people relevant? People with gloved hands? Was the other relevant information about her belongings? Her habits? Her preferences? Were they in a car? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1131 Registered: 7-2001 |
was she is some sort of situation where non-rich people wou;d be wearing gloves? and one would have to be rich to be able to not wear gloves? or only the rich would choose not to wear gloves? is the situation one where non-rich people are performing some sort of task? that requires gloves? and only the rich would not be performing that task? because they could pay someone else to do it? is the non-wearing of gloves a signifier of wealth in this situation? of high status? is social stautus relevant here? apart from wealth? royalty? is Idris's non-wearing of gloves by her choice? someone else's? has she got gloves? has she forgotten them? have they been stolen? were the gloves so expensive/valuable that they were worth stealing? thus indicating that she must have been rich to own them? for example fur gloves? is the reason this is less likely to happen after about 1995 that fur has become much less socially acceptable since about then? or had she hidden them? to prevent them being stolen? because they were valuable? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6211 Registered: 8-2001 |
BLOOOPERRRRALERTTTT!!!!!Relevant what century this happened? probably could be almost anytime, but more likely before about 1995 or so Decade? see previous answer 'More likely before about 1995 or so should be deleted | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6212 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10032 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 3:53 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Relevant what building they are in? yes A restaurant? noSomewhere cold? irrel Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 8:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Were they alone in the room/building? irrel Are other people relevant? noPeople with gloved hands? no Was the other relevant information about her belongings? no Her habits? no Her preferences? no Were they in a car? unlikely Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1131 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, December 26, 2010 - 1:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) was she is some sort of situation where non-rich people wou;d be wearing gloves?not necessarily and one would have to be rich to be able to not wear gloves? no or only the rich would choose not to wear gloves? no is the situation one where non-rich people are performing some sort of task? no that requires gloves? no and only the rich would not be performing that task? no because they could pay someone else to do it? no is the non-wearing of gloves a signifier of wealth in this situation?yope of high status? see previous answer is social stautus relevant here? see next answerapart from wealth? noroyalty? this would be true of royalty but not just them irrel is Idris's non-wearing of gloves by her choice? someone else's? irrelhas she got gloves? irrel has s nohe forgotten them? nohave they been stolen? were the gloves so expensive/valuable that they were worth stealing? no thus indicating that she must have been rich to own them? nofor example fur gloves? nois the reason this is less likely to happen after about 1995 that fur has become much less socially acceptable since about then? see above bloooperrralertttttttttt--& by the way, I wear fur (usually from thrift shops A LOT). Am I socially unacceptable?? or had she hidden them? no to prevent them being stolen? no because they were valuable? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10210 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Merton wearing gloves? Are there other men there who are wearing gloves? Who aren't? Other women who are? Who aren't? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6214 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10210 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 3:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is Merton wearing gloves? Are there other men there who are wearing gloves? Who aren't? Other women who are? Who aren't?all are irrel | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4303 Registered: 5-2003 |
If Merton saw Idris's fingers (and nothing else - say she was in another room and reached with her fingers around the doorway) could he tell she was rich? Could he tell if he only saw an image of her fingers? If so, would any image do or would it have to be a painting, photo or some other medium? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6219 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo) New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4303 Registered: 5-2003 Posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 7:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) If Merton saw Idris's fingers (and nothing else - say she was in another room and reached with her fingers around the doorway) could he tell she was rich? no Could he tell if he only saw an image of her fingers? yes If so, would any image do no or would it have to be a painting, photo or some other medium? It would have to be a painting | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10283 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Merton see Idris in person? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6221 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10283 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 9:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did Merton see Idris in person? no--he saw her ONLY in a [painting!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10292 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was anyone else in the painting? Is the location of the painting relevant? The setting inside the painting? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2287 Registered: 9-2010 |
My Last Duchess Robert Browning That's my last duchess painted on the wall, Looking as if she were alive. I call That piece a wonder, now: Frà Pandolf's hands Worked busily a day, and there she stands. Will't please you sit and look at her? I said "Frà Pandolf" by design, for never read Strangers like you that pictured countenance, The depth and passion of its earnest glance, But to myself they turned (since none puts by The curtain I have drawn for you, but I) And seemed as they would ask me, if they durst, How such a glance came there; so, not the first Are you to turn and ask thus. Sir, 'twas not Her husband's presence only, called that spot Of joy into the Duchess' cheek: perhaps Frà Pandolf chanced to say "Her mantle laps "Over my lady's wrist too much," or "Paint "Must never hope to reproduce the faint "Half-flush that dies along her throat": such stuff Was courtesy, she thought, and cause enough For calling up that spot of joy. She had A heart how shall I say? too soon made glad, Too easily impressed; she liked whate'er She looked on, and her looks went everywhere. Sir, 'twas all one! My favor at her breast, The dropping of the daylight in the West, The bough of cherries some officious fool Broke in the orchard for her, the white mule She rode with round the terrace all and each Would draw from her alike the approving speech, Or blush, at least. She thanked men good! but thanked Somehow I know not how as if she ranked My gift of a nine-hundred-years-old name With anybody's gift. Who'd stoop to blame This sort of trifling? Even had you skill In speech which I have not to make your will Quite clear to such an one, and say, "Just this "Or that in you disgusts me; here you miss, "Or there exceed the mark" and if she let Herself be lessoned so, nor plainly set Her wits to yours, forsooth, and make excuse, E'en then would be some stooping; and I choose Never to stoop. Oh sir, she smiled, no doubt, Whene'er I passed her; but who passed without Much the same smile? This grew; I gave commands; Then all smiles stopped together. There she stands As if alive. Will't please you rise? We'll meet The company below, then. I repeat, The Count your master's known munificence Is ample warrant that no just pretense Of mine for dowry will be disallowed; Though his fair daughter's self, as I avowed At starting, is my object. Nay we'll go Together down, sir. Notice Neptune, though, Taming a sea-horse, thought a rarity, Which Claus of Innsbruck cast in bronze for me! My Last Duchess Robert Browning | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6223 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10292 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 4:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was anyone else in the painting? irrel Is the location of the painting relevant? no The setting inside the painting? no Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin) New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2287 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 5:26 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) My Last Duchess Robert Browning That's my last duchess painted on the wall, Looking as if she were alive. I call That piece a wonder, now: Frà Pandolf's hands Worked busily a day, and there she stands. Will't please you sit and look at her? I said "Frà Pandolf" by design, for never read Strangers like you that pictured countenance, The depth and passion of its earnest glance, But to myself they turned (since none puts by The curtain I have drawn for you, but I) And seemed as they would ask me, if they durst, How such a glance came there; so, not the first Are you to turn and ask thus. Sir, 'twas not Her husband's presence only, called that spot Of joy into the Duchess' cheek: perhaps Frà Pandolf chanced to say "Her mantle laps "Over my lady's wrist too much," or "Paint "Must never hope to reproduce the faint "Half-flush that dies along her throat": such stuff Was courtesy, she thought, and cause enough For calling up that spot of joy. She had A heart how shall I say? too soon made glad, Too easily impressed; she liked whate'er She looked on, and her looks went everywhere. Sir, 'twas all one! My favor at her breast, The dropping of the daylight in the West, The bough of cherries some officious fool Broke in the orchard for her, the white mule She rode with round the terrace all and each Would draw from her alike the approving speech, Or blush, at least. She thanked men good! but thanked Somehow I know not how as if she ranked My gift of a nine-hundred-years-old name With anybody's gift. Who'd stoop to blame This sort of trifling? Even had you skill In speech which I have not to make your will Quite clear to such an one, and say, "Just this "Or that in you disgusts me; here you miss, "Or there exceed the mark" and if she let Herself be lessoned so, nor plainly set Her wits to yours, forsooth, and make excuse, E'en then would be some stooping; and I choose Never to stoop. Oh sir, she smiled, no doubt, Whene'er I passed her; but who passed without Much the same smile? This grew; I gave commands; Then all smiles stopped together. There she stands As if alive. Will't please you rise? We'll meet The company below, then. I repeat, The Count your master's known munificence Is ample warrant that no just pretense Of mine for dowry will be disallowed; Though his fair daughter's self, as I avowed At starting, is my object. Nay we'll go Together down, sir. Notice Neptune, though, Taming a sea-horse, thought a rarity, Which Claus of Innsbruck cast in bronze for me! My Last Duchess Robert Browning I've always liked this poem, esoecially the part about a heart too soon made glad. But it's irrel to this puzzle | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10305 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the rest of Idris' clothing relevant? Is she wearing any clothing at all? Any jewelry? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6227 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10305 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 - 9:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the rest of Idris' clothing relevant?no but see next answer Is she wearing any clothing at all? probably Any jewelry? irrel | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10313 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are only her hands bare? Are her arms? Feet? Torso? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10314 Registered: 4-2010 |
...Legs? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1134 Registered: 7-2001 |
is it relevant who paid for the painting? who commissioned it? who painted it? is the subject of the painting - other than she was in it - relevant? were there other relevant people in the painting? was she the most obvious person in the painting? any animals in the painting? children? relevant? is it relevant that it's easier to paint gloved hands than ungloved? and so a painting with ungloved hands might take longer? so cost more? so one might have to be rich to pay for that extra time? relevant whether oils or watercolour? was it a portrait of her? of her with her family? was it supposed to be flattering? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6230 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10313 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 2:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are only her hands bare?see subsequent answers Are her arms? possiblyFeet? possiblyTorso? probably not Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10314 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 2:24 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) ...Legs? Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1134 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2011 - 12:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is it relevant who paid for the painting? yes who commissioned it? yeswho painted it? yes is the subject of the painting - other than she was in it - relevant? no were there other relevant people in the painting? was she the most obvious person in the painting? any animals in the painting? children? relevant? is it relevant that it's easier to paint gloved hands than ungloved? yes and so a painting with ungloved hands might take longer? yes so cost more? yes so one might have to be rich to pay for that extra time? yes relevant whether oils or watercolour?probably oils was it a portrait of her? yesof her with her family? irrel was it supposed to be flattering? presumably *********** SPOILER ***************** Clever Hannah triumphs again!! It is difficult & time-consuming to paint fingers, so when you see fingers in a commissioned painting, you can be confident that the person portrayed was rich. When you see one of my puzzles spoiled, you can be confident that a new one awaits you at the bottom of the page. |
