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When Merton was accused of racism, he offered an astonishing but very plausible defense. What was it?
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Did his defense have to do with his own race?
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Was Merton actually being racist?
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Did his defense have to do with his own race? no
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Was Merton actually being racist? no
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the thing that caused the accusation..

something he said? a statement? an answer to a question? a question? an order?
something he did? how he treated another person? another person of a different race? a customer?
are any of these relevant about Merton: his job? his race? his politics? his hobbies? his pets? his education? his physical appearance? his place of residence? his age? his gender? his wealth? his family? his romantic relationships? his musical tastes? his religion?

relevant when this happens? modern day? relevant where this happens? US?

is his defence that he did not do/say what others thought he did? that he did it but they misunderstood? that he did it but it wasn't racist?

is his defence that he was acting in the best interests of the person to whom he was accused of being racist? that the person was not of the race that others thought them to be?
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Was his plausible explanation correct? Was he referring to something the accusers didn't realize(ie, is this akin to your puzzle about someone thinking that most black people are stupid)?
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the thing that caused the accusation..

something he said? yes a statement? yes an answer to a question? noa question? no an order? no
something he did? yes how he treated another person? another person of a different race? yes a customer? yesish or yope
are any of these relevant about Merton: his job? yesish --& no to all the others on this listhis race? his politics? his hobbies? his pets? his education? his physical appearance? his place of residence? his age? his gender? his wealth? his family? his romantic relationships? his musical tastes? his religion?

relevant when this happens? yes modern day? yes relevant where this happens? yes US? yes

is his defence that he did not do/say what others thought he did? nothat he did it but they misunderstood? yope that he did it but it wasn't racist? yes

is his defence that he was acting in the best interests of the person to whom he was accused of being racist? no that the person was not of the race that others thought them to be? no
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Was his plausible explanation correct? yesWas he referring to something the accusers didn't realize yesish(ie, is this akin to your puzzle about someone thinking that most black people are stupid)? no, it's not at all like that
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[LTPF list of occupational fields] for Merton, please.

Is any of these relevant relevant about the other person: their age? gender? job?

Is it relevant what race Merton and the other person belong to? Or just that they belong to different ones?
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did he use a particular word? that was thought by others to be racist? did he call someone by a particular relevant name? or epithet?

was he accused of racism towards a black person? an asian? a white person? a jew? a muslim? a christian?

did he seem to indicate that the person was of less worth than other people because of race? had some negative feature because of their race? would act badly because of their race? did he seem to stereotype someone? did he refuse to serve someone because of their race? treat them unfairly? treat them differently to others?
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[LTPF list of occupational fields] for Merton, please. I]m not sure if this would be in the list. Where is the list?

Is any of these relevant relevant about the other person: their age? adult gender? irrel job?irrel

Is it relevant what race Merton and the other person belong to? the other person (call her 'Leota') is probably but not necessarily black or Latino/a. In the actual case, she is black & Mertin is white--the most likely combination for this puzzle Or just that they belong to different ones? see previous answer
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Here is the list!

Profession:

Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?
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Here is the list!

Profession:

Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?yesish--real estate is closest
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?
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Does he sell homes? Renovate homes? Build homes?
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Sorry for not posting the list, couldn't find it!

Does Merton sell houses? Real estate?
Does Leota want to buy a house? Real estate?
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Does he sell homes? Renovate homes? Build homes?
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Sorry for not posting the list, couldn't find it!

Does Merton sell houses? noReal estate? no
Does Leota want to buy a house? noReal estate? no
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Does he sell homes? no Renovate homes? no Build homes? no
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Does he demolish homes?
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Does he demolish homes? no
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Is he a city planner? An architect?
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you missed my questions on Jan 5th!

Is he a landlord? is he accused of being racist towards someone who wants to rent a house? or other residence?
is there a reason that a residence would really not be suitable for that person?
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Is he a city planner? noAn architect? no
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you missed my questions on Jan 5th! rectified below, with my apology!

Is he a landlord? yes is he accused of being racist towards someone who wants to rent a house?the actual case involved an apartment, but a house would work as well or other residence? see previous answer
is there a reason that a residence would really not be suitable for that person? no
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did he use a particular word? no that was thought by others to be racist? no did he call someone by a particular relevant name? noor epithet? no

was he accused of racism towards a black person? yes, in the actual case, but the puzzle could work for any form of racism an asian? a white person? a jew? a muslim? a christian?

did he seem to indicate that the person was of less worth than other people because of race? no had some negative feature because of their race? no would act badly because of their race? nodid he seem to stereotype someone?possibly did he refuse to serve someone because of their race? see next answerstreat them unfairly? yes treat them differently to others? yes
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Is the black person male? Female? A tenant? A potential tenant?
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Is the black person male? irrel, although the actual case involved a black woman Female ditto A tenant? no A potential tenant? yes
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Was the potential tenant denied residence? By Merton? Was the tenant planning to rent? Lease? Buy? Is the cost of rental/leasing/buying relevant?

Was Merton the landlord of a house? Apartment? Entire building?
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Was the potential tenant denied residence? yes By Merton? yes Was the tenant planning to rent? yesLease? yes Buy? no Is the cost of rental/leasing/buying relevant? no

Was Merton the landlord of a house? Apartment? Entire building? could be any but the actual case involved the landlord of an entire building
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BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPERRRRRRRRRRRALERTTTTTTTTTTT!!
Is any of these relevant relevant about the other person: their age? adult gender? irrel job?irrel The answer to job should be yes, the other person's job is relevant
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Other person's job:

[insert list from above]?
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Other person's job:

[insert list from above]? She is a lawyer
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Is she (the black lawyer lady) a lawyer in cases involving affirmative action? Racial hate crimes? Other racial issues? If not, does it still matter what field of law she does deal with? Civil litigation? Criminal Prosecution? Criminal Defense? A specific area within one of these fields? Capital crimes, perhaps?
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Does Merton just have something against lawyers? [insert lawyer joke here]
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Was his refusal justified by any external circumstances (for example apartments were unsuitable for lawyer's offices)?
The apartment was to be rent: as a home? as an office? Relevant?
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Does Merton just have something against lawyers? Yes. Now you need to figure out what, keeping in mind that his defense is astonishing. [insert lawyer joke here]
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Was his refusal justified by any external circumstances (for example apartments were unsuitable for lawyer's offices)? no
The apartment was to be rent: as a home? yes as an office? noRelevant? no
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Does Merton dislike the appearance of lawyers? Their habits? Their language? Does he think that a lawyer as a tenant is likely to cause trouble? Does he fear to get involved in litigation? Does he doubt a lawyer would pay the rent (completely? in time? at all?)? Expect lawyers to move out again soon?

Would he object to every lawyer as a tenant?
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Does Merton dislike the appearance of lawyers? no Their habits? yope Their language? noDoes he think that a lawyer as a tenant is likely to cause trouble? yes Does he fear to get involved in litigation? yes Does he doubt a lawyer would pay the rent (completely? noin time? no at all? no)? Expect lawyers to move out again soon? no

Would he object to every lawyer as a tenant? yes


This is close enough for me to declare a

**********SPOILER ****************

When a landlord refused to rent an apartment to Judith Pierce, a divorced black lawyer, she filed a complaint on grounds of racial discrimination & discrimination against unmarried people. The landlord successfully defended himself by replying that substantial percentages of his tenants were either black or single, but that he did not rent to lawyers because he did not want tenants who knew their rights!Imagine admitting that you do not want to rent to people who know their rights!!
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Remind me never to rent from Merton...
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Never rent from Merton, Balin. :-)
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Well, the best thing you can say about this landlord is that he is honest (although probably only because this helped him win his lawsuit).
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Well, he's probably not honest with his tenants. . .
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Here's a link to the actual case!
http://ny.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.%2FSAC%2FNY%2F1977%2F19771103_0045532.NY.htm/qx

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