| Author | Message | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2011 |
He wanted to save life and it resulted in a long trip. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11025 Registered: 4-2010 |
Save life - his own life? Someone else's? "trip" - vacation? On drugs? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1209 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is location relevant? Time? His profession? Was he H/A/M? True story? FYOI? FSOI? Did he manage to save life? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 150 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Save life - his own life? Someone else's? this "trip" - vacation? On drugs? neither Rbruma: Is location relevant? yes Time? yes His profession? no Was he H/A/M? yes to all three True story? either this FYOI? FSOI? or this, I'm not sure Did he manage to save life? yes | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1210 Registered: 9-2009 |
Location: [LTPF list of continents]? Inside? Outside? Geographical features relevant? Seaside? Mountain? Plain? Time: [LTPF list of centuries]? Is he a well known person? Is his nationality relevant? European? Polish? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 360 Registered: 12-2010 |
Plants relevant at all? Trees? Flowers? Shrubs? Factories? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 154 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: Where can I find the LTPF lists? I know such lists exists but I am not familiar with their content... Location: [LTPF list of continents]? Europe Inside? Outside? this Geographical features relevant? slightly Seaside? yes Mountain? Plain? no the the rest Time: [LTPF list of centuries]? 1800s Is he a well known person? no Is his nationality relevant? may be helpful, but it's not crucial to the solution European? yes Polish? no | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Plants relevant at all? yes Trees? no Flowers? no Shrubs? no Factories? no | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1211 Registered: 9-2009 |
The lists are more of a shortcut, so instead of saying "Is he from Italy? Greece? Spain? UK? Sweden? Poland?... etc" we can say "is he from [LTPF list of European countries]?" So, European, outside, seaside mildly relevant, plants relevant... Is he from [LTPF list of European countries]? Were they in danger? Of drowning? Being caught by fire? In danger of losing their life anyway? War relevant? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 156 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: So, European, outside, seaside mildly relevant, plants relevant... yes Is he from [LTPF list of European countries]? Ireland nowadays Were they in danger? yes Of drowning? no Being caught by fire? no In danger of losing their life anyway? yes War relevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11047 Registered: 4-2010 |
Person whose life he saved - H? A? M? Were they in danger of dying accidentally? Being murdered? Executed? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 159 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Person whose life he saved - H? yes A? no M? irrelevant, probably yes Were they in danger of dying accidentally? yope Being murdered? no Executed? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 365 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the person whose life was a saved a baby? Toddler? Child? Teenager? Is he the other person's child? Great Famine relevant? Potatoes? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 163 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is the person whose life was a saved a baby? Toddler? Child? probably this, exact age is not so much relevant Teenager? Is he the other person's child? yes Great Famine relevant?yes Potatoes?yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 367 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he want to find potatoes for his child so that he won't starve? Did he travel a long way to do so? To America? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 164 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Did he want to find potatoes no for his child yes so that he won't starve yes? Did he travel a long way yes to do so? no To America? no | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1798 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did he travel to find some other plant than potato? to find something else? Did he travel outside Ireland? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 168 Registered: 1-2011 |
Eli: Did he travel to find some other plant than potato? no to find something else? no Did he travel outside Ireland? yes | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1799 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did he travel to the UK? To London? To speak to people about the famine in Ireland? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 170 Registered: 1-2011 |
Eli: Did he travel to the UK? To London? To speak to people about the famine in Ireland? no to all | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 368 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he save other people's lives as well? Did he travel to [LTPF list of continents]? Did he take his son with him? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 172 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Did he save other people's lives as well? no Did he travel to [LTPF list of continents]?Australia Did he take his son with him? no | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1800 Registered: 11-2003 |
Did he travel to Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1212 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he emigrate in Australia? Did he send back home money? Other things? Food? Anything at all? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 173 Registered: 1-2011 |
Eli: Did he travel to Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? this Rbruma: Did he emigrate no in Australia? yes Did he send back home money? Other things? Food? Anything at all? so no to the rest | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4487 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he bring back something? A new food source? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 174 Registered: 1-2011 |
JenBurdoo: Did he bring back something? no, and probably FA A new food source? so no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11066 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he stay in Australia? Did he go anywhere else other than Australia? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 180 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he stay in Australia? we don't know it, but it's possible Did he go anywhere else other than Australia? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11068 Registered: 4-2010 |
The person whose life he saved - did he go to Australia too? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 182 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: The person whose life he saved - did he go to Australia too? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11070 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he find some other food source there? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 183 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he find some other food source yes there? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11071 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he find the food source on the way to Australia? From Australia? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 185 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he find the food source on the way to Australia? From Australia? neither, but keep exploring when | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11080 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he find it: when he left? Before he left? After he returned? Did he find the food source all at once? Or gradually accumulate it over the long trip? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 187 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he find it: when he left? Before he left? this After he returned? Did he find the food source all at once? yes Or gradually accumulate it over the long trip? so no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11091 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the food a single type of food? A variety? Some sort of plant? Surviving potatoes? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 189 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Was the food a single type of food? yes A variety? so no Some sort of plant? yes Surviving potatoes? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11094 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the food a fruit? Vegetable? Is the food ordinarily found in Ireland (or rather, was it at the time)? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 190 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Is the food a fruit? no Vegetable? well, I'm not botanist, for me it is a vegetable, but it may belong to one other category as well Is the food ordinarily found in Ireland (or rather, was it at the time)? I don't know for sure, but I think the answer is yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11096 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it something that some people think is a fruit while others think it's a vegetable? Tomato? Pumpkin? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 193 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Is it something that some people think is a fruit while others think it's a vegetable? Tomato? Pumpkin? no, sorry if I caused misunderstanding, the other applicable category of plants is not fruits | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11097 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the other category related to food? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 194 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Is the other category related to food? yes | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1213 Registered: 9-2009 |
Edible part from the food: leaf? stem? root? tuber? Is it normally eaten raw? Or rather cooked? Is it still eaten today? By humans? Animals? Both? Is it his trip to Australia related to finding food? Did he realize before leaving that he has indeed found food, so there was no reason for him to leave anymore? Did he ever return from Australia? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 200 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: Edible part from the food: leaf? stem? root? tuber? neither, sorry Is it normally eaten raw? Or rather cooked? rather this Is it still eaten today? yes By humans? yes Animals? maybe also Both? Is it his trip to Australia related to finding food? yes Did he realize before leaving that he has indeed found food sure, so there was no reason for him to leave anymore? but no Did he ever return from Australia? we don't know and it's not really relevant | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1216 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, even if his purpose to travel to Australia was related to finding food and despite realizing that he had found food at home, he decided to proceed with his journey, correct? Did he have a secondary purpose for going to Australia? Did he think the food he found was not enough? That it will be depleted in the near future? Is the vegetable a legume? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 203 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: So, even if his purpose to travel to Australia was related to finding food and despite realizing that he had found food at home, he decided to proceed with his journey, correct? no, I think there is a FA. It's established that he acquired food in Ireland, he was aware that he had food and the journey took place as a final result. Did he have a secondary purpose for going to Australia? still the FA Did he think the food he found was not enough? no That it will be depleted in the near future? no Is the vegetable a legume? I wouldn't call it that way, but it may be regarded somehow similar. I consulted Wikipedia and it's classified differently. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11105 Registered: 4-2010 |
Edible part - seed? Is it a bean of some sort? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1220 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, is it correct to say that he didn't go to Australia to find food? But rather for other reason, connected with the food issue? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 208 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Edible part - seed? only in a way that new plants grow from the edible part Is it a bean of some sort? no Rbruma: So, is it correct to say that he didn't go to Australia to find food? yes, exactly But rather for other reason, connected with the food issue? yes What about the exact type of food, you can well solve the puzzle without guessing exactly what plant he acquired. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11134 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he only find a limited amount of the food source? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 212 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he only find a limited amount of the food source? yes, but it's not really relevant | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 407 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he take the food to Australia because he thought they could use it too? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 219 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Did he take the food to Australia because he thought they could use it too? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11139 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he take any of the food on his trip? Did he take any food at all on the trip? The trip - by land? Sea? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 221 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he take any of the food on his trip? no Did he take any food at all on the trip? no The trip - by land? Sea? This | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11142 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he sail south around the African coast? Around the Americas towards the Pacific? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 222 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he sail FA south around the African coast? Around the Americas towards the Pacific? I guess the former, and it is not really relevant. The trip is a consequence, almost whole story happened earlier | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11148 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he travel by ship? Sailboat? Non-sail-but-still-a-boat? Steamboat? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 225 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he travel by ship? yes, and... Sailboat? Non-sail-but-still-a-boat? Steamboat? no to the rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11151 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he the only one who made the trip? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 227 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Was he the only one who made the trip? no! but it's only a part of the FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11161 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he make the trip at all? Did someone else? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1224 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he sent there forcefully? Was he a prisoner? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 230 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he make the trip at all? he travelled to Australia, yes, but he didn't organise the trip, see below Did someone else? see below Rbruma: Was he sent there forcefully? Was he a prisoner? YES to both! | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 667 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did he steal the food and was deported to Van Diemens' Land? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 237 Registered: 1-2011 |
Sundowner: Did he steal the food and was deported to Van Diemens' Land? that's it. With this slight difference that he was deported to Botany Bay, not Van Diemens' Land. And here goes the story as I know it: ***********SPOILER**************** By a lonely prison wall I heard a young girl calling Michael they are taking you away For you stole Trevelyans corn So the young might see the morn Now a prison lay waiting in the bay Chorus: Low lie the fields of Athenry Where once we watched the small free birds fly Our love was on the wing We had Dreams and songs to sing It's so lonely round the fields of Athenry By a lonely prison wall I heard a young man calling Nothing matters Mary when you're free Against the famine and the crown I rebelled they caught me down Now you must raise our child with dignity Chorus By a lonely harbour wall She watched the last star falling As the prison ship sailed out against the sky Or she live in hope and pray For her love in Botany bay It's lonely round the fields of Athenry Congrats to Sundowner for the solve, and Balin, Rbruma and Doriana for their great work | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 238 Registered: 1-2011 |
Last line of the first verse should be: "Now a prison SHIP lay waiting in the bay". | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11201 Registered: 4-2010 |
Great puzzle! Is that a song? Can you post a link to it? Because just from looking at the words, it sounds beautiful. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1809 Registered: 11-2003 |
BAlin, it's 'Fields of Athenry', lovely song. The Dubliners did it beautifully, as you can hear in this clip. Just LOVE Irish folk music!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtQ6a8gA7qk | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1232 Registered: 9-2009 |
Great puzzle Redwine, and a great song -- thanks Eli! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11225 Registered: 4-2010 |
Just got around to listening to the song now (my Internet connection cut out earlier). BEAUTIFUL. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 240 Registered: 1-2011 |
I'm glad you enjoyed my first puzzle. As to the song, I just learned recently that it's been adapted for Irish football (american football) supporters :-) |
