| Author | Message | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1227 Registered: 9-2009 |
He found a treasure. It seems that they found an even larger one Hopefully not a quickie | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 2752 Registered: 9-2010 |
He = H/A/M? They = H/A/M? H/A/F? Mixture? Any of the following relevant? Frank Sinatra, (1915–1998) an American singer and actor? Frank Sinatra, Jr., (born 1944) an American singer and conductor? Nancy Sinatra, (born 1940) an American singer and actress? Tina Sinatra, (born 1948) an American film producer and former actress? Anthony Martin Sinatra, father of Frank Sinatra? Vincenzo Sinatra, an 18th century Sicilian architect from Noto? "Sinatra, Sinatra", a poem by Paul Fericano: a satire on conservatism in America? "Sinatra Doctrine", the name that Mikhail Gorbachev used jokingly to describe its policy of allowing neighboring nations to determine their own internal affairs (an allusion to the Frank Sinatra song "My Way")? Sinatra (software), a web application framework written in Ruby? Sinatra (TV miniseries) a 1992 television mini-series? "Sinatra", a song by Helmet from their 1990 album Strap It On? "Frank Sinatra", a song by the American band, Cake? "Frank Sinatra" (Miss Kittin & The Hacker song), a song by French duo Miss Kittin & The Hacker? Frank Sinatra School of the Arts, a specialized arts high school in New York City? The Trash Can Sinatras, a Scottish band that began in 1987? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1228 Registered: 9-2009 |
He = H/A/M? Yes They = H/A/M? H/A/F? Mixture? All H/A , gender irrelevant Any of the following relevant? See below, but an impressive list nonetheless Frank Sinatra, (1915–1998) an American singer and actor? Frank Sinatra, Jr., (born 1944) an American singer and conductor? Nancy Sinatra, (born 1940) an American singer and actress? This one, but only vaguely. No to the rest Tina Sinatra, (born 1948) an American film producer and former actress? Anthony Martin Sinatra, father of Frank Sinatra? Vincenzo Sinatra, an 18th century Sicilian architect from Noto? "Sinatra, Sinatra", a poem by Paul Fericano: a satire on conservatism in America? "Sinatra Doctrine", the name that Mikhail Gorbachev used jokingly to describe its policy of allowing neighboring nations to determine their own internal affairs (an allusion to the Frank Sinatra song "My Way")? Sinatra (software), a web application framework written in Ruby? Sinatra (TV miniseries) a 1992 television mini-series? "Sinatra", a song by Helmet from their 1990 album Strap It On? "Frank Sinatra", a song by the American band, Cake? "Frank Sinatra" (Miss Kittin & The Hacker song), a song by French duo Miss Kittin & The Hacker? Frank Sinatra School of the Arts, a specialized arts high school in New York City? The Trash Can Sinatras, a Scottish band that began in 1987? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11208 Registered: 4-2010 |
Treasure - of monetary value? Sentimental? Personal? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1812 Registered: 11-2003 |
Are any of Nancy Sinatra's songs relevant? These boots are made for walking? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1229 Registered: 9-2009 |
Treasure - of monetary value? Yope Sentimental? Yope Personal? No | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1230 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are any of Nancy Sinatra's songs relevant? Yes These boots are made for walking? Yes | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1814 Registered: 11-2003 |
We posted simultaneously, so pleeeese don't forget my questions. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1231 Registered: 9-2009 |
We posted simultaneously, so pleeeese don't forget my questions. I didn't | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1816 Registered: 11-2003 |
Thank you, :-) Are the lyrics themselves important? When it was a hit? Other singers that have covered it relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1233 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the lyrics themselves important? When it was a hit? Other singers that have covered it relevant? Nothing of the sort. Only the title is somehow relevant, but I wouldn't start to solve the puzzle from the title -- its (vague) relevance will be made clear in the $poyler. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11223 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are boots relevant? Walking? Is the treasure an item? More than one? A person? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1234 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are boots relevant? Vaguely -- the title was not intended as a hint Walking?Not at all Is the treasure an item? Yesish More than one? Yes, but be careful about FAs A person? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1821 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is the treasure a collection of something? Something that has a certain value because of the number of items in it, but each item wouldn't be considered valuable? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1235 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the treasure a collection of something? No. To clear out the FAs above, the two treasures "he" and "they" found are not identical in nature Something that has a certain value because of the number of items in it, but each item wouldn't be considered valuable? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11260 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is "his" treasure something tangible? Is it a form of media? A record? Same questions for "their" treasure? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1238 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is "his" treasure something tangible? Yes Is it a form of media? A record? No to both Same questions for "their" treasure? Same answers | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11267 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he find his treasure after them? Before? At the same time? Treasure hunt relevant? Some other type of hunt? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1240 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he find his treasure after them? Before? This one. No to all the rest At the same time? Treasure hunt relevant? Some other type of hunt? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1837 Registered: 11-2003 |
His treasure: Is it something of monetary value? sentimental value? historical value? Would most people regard it as a treasure? Is it man-made? natural? Same questions for their treasure, please. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1241 Registered: 9-2009 |
His treasure: Is it something of monetary value? Yes sentimental value? Possibly but unlikely historical value? Definitely Would most people regard it as a treasure? I don't know. Possibly Is it man-made? Yes natural? So, no Same questions for their treasure, please Same answers, with a "Yope" to monetary value | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11307 Registered: 4-2010 |
Wild guess - was either of the treasures a food or drink? Wine? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1248 Registered: 9-2009 |
Wild guess - was either of the treasures a food or drink? Wine? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11313 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was either of the treasures money? Buried treasure? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1250 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was either of the treasures money? No Buried treasure? Assume yes - good question | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1842 Registered: 11-2003 |
Was his treasure the buried treasure? Theirs? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1254 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was his treasure the buried treasure? Theirs? Both | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1450 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were the two treasures entirely separate? or was "their" treasure found inside "his"? or were they buried together, and finding "his" suggested that "theirs" existed and could be found at the same site? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1255 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the two treasures entirely separate? No or was "their" treasure found inside "his"? No, but very close or were they buried together, and finding "his" suggested that "theirs" existed and could be found at the same site? Exactly so. Well done! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11318 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was one treasure buried under the other? Did "he" only find part of the treasure? And "they" found the rest? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1843 Registered: 11-2003 |
Ancient Egypt and pharaohs relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1259 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was one treasure buried under the other? Unknown Did "he" only find part of the treasure? Yesish or Yes And "they" found the rest? Yes Ancient Egypt and pharaohs relevant? No Almost there... | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 244 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is archaeology involved? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1261 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is archaeology involved? Not in this puzzle | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11399 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he use a metal detector? Did they? If "he" did, did he only take the first thing he found? And didn't notice the rest? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1262 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he use a metal detector? Did they? If "he" did, did he only take the first thing he found? And didn't notice the rest? No to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11406 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was "his" a part of "theirs"? Something separate? Something that suggested the existence of "theirs"? Like a map? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1264 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was "his" a part of "theirs"? Yesish Something separate? No Something that suggested the existence of "theirs"? Yes Like a map? No, his discovery prompted theirs | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 249 Registered: 1-2011 |
Were they professionals in looking for treasures? Were they looking for their treasure before his discovery? Were they aware of the existence of their treasure before his discovery? Did his discovery indicate the place where they should look for their treasure? Was his discovery an old coin, by chance? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1267 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were they professionals in looking for treasures? Probably included some professionals, though not all were like that Were they looking for their treasure before his discovery? Some of them, probably Were they aware of the existence of their treasure before his discovery? No Did his discovery indicate the place where they should look for their treasure? Yes Was his discovery an old coin, by chance? No, but very much OTRT. For the purposes of this puzzle, an old coin would work just as well as his real discovery | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 256 Registered: 1-2011 |
Does their treasure contain things of mostly historical value? If so: were they aware, before he found his treasure, that somewhere in that area something interesting had been located ages ago? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1269 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does their treasure contain things of mostly historical value? Yes If so: were they aware, before he found his treasure, that somewhere in that area something interesting had been located ages ago? No The only things left to discover is what were the two items and how his discovery led to theirs -- it is established that both are items of mostly historical value | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11439 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the two items artifacts? Coins? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1270 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the two items artifacts? His was Coins? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11450 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did "they" find a village? Or lost civilization? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1271 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did "they" find a village? Or lost civilization? No to both, but a nice idea | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11454 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did "they" find a building? A gravesite? A person? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1273 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did "they" find a building? A gravesite? This one! It is actually a single grave. A person? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11467 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the grave of a famous person? Did "he" find the grave? The gravestone? The body? Something from the grave? Same questions for "they"? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1275 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the grave of a famous person? Yes Did "he" find the grave? Yes The gravestone? The body? Something from the grave? Yes Did "they" find the grave? Yes The gravestone? The body? Something from the grave? Irrelevant | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 260 Registered: 1-2011 |
Location of the grave relevant? If so, in Europe? Was the grave of a king? Was the person buried with his belongings? Did he find one of the belongings? Did his treasure clearly indicate whose grave was that? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1277 Registered: 9-2009 |
Location of the grave relevant? No If so, in Europe? Was the grave of a king? King is not the appropriate title, but a good equivalent Was the person buried with his belongings? Irrel Did he find one of the belongings? No Did his treasure clearly indicate whose grave was that? Not directly. Since in fact his treasure is not relevant any more -- it was a statue, to be correct to the story -- the only thing remaining is how his finding relates to the finding of the grave | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11477 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the statue of the person buried? Was the statue valuable? Would it only have been buried with/placed near the grave of someone of high title? And "they" realized this? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1280 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the statue of the person buried? Irrelevant Was the statue valuable? Very much so. OTRT and close to the solve Would it only have been buried with/placed near the grave of someone of high title? Unsure, but probably yes And "they" realized this? Probably | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11492 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the statue specific to a certain era? Or culture? Was it considered an important find? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1287 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the statue specific to a certain era? Or culture? Was it considered an important find? Probably yes to all, but unsure. The relevant thing is that it has a large monetary value nowadays | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11499 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did "they" go to search for more statues? And found the grave instead? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1289 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did "they" go to search for more statues? And found the grave instead? Yes. One small step left. Hint - his profession, for svv of profession, is relevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11505 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it more of a hobby of his which is relevant? Treasure hunting? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1292 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it more of a hobby of his which is relevant? No Treasure hunting? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 271 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he find a statue doing a part of his job? Was he a farmer? Could he at once recognize the value of the statue? Did he announce his finding to public? Did he find a statue by accident? Or he deliberately looked for the statue? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1294 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he find a statue doing a part of his job? For svv of job, yes Was he a farmer? I doubt it Could he at once recognize the value of the statue? Probably Did he announce his finding to public? No, because... Did he find a statue by accident? Unsure and irrel Or he deliberately looked for the statue? See above | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 286 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was he a thief? Was his finding a statue illegal? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1298 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he a thief? Was his finding a statue illegal? That's it. Well done! ******* SPOILER ******* On 17 January 2011, police in Nemi, Italy, announced that they believed they had discovered the site of the Roman Emperor Caligula's burial, after arresting a thief caught smuggling a statue which they believed to be of the emperor. Some experts do not agree, but that's not relevant to the puzzle. The reference in the title is to his nickname, which means little soldier's boot in Latin (his name being Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus). Thanks to all who participated and especially Redwine for the solve |
