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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 10:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can tell you where the hole is, but I can't tell you where the hole is.

I = me (Balin)
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 10:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The puzzle statement is no longer true, but proceed as if it is.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Friday, March 04, 2011 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you 1 = you 2?

are they 2 different holes?

for hole #1, is it a hole in a physical object? man-made? occurring naturally? geological feature? astronomical?

ditto for hole #2 if different?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 12:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you 1 = you 2? Yes, and both are just a generic "you," referring to no person (or people) in particular.

are they 2 different holes? No

for hole #1, is it a hole in a physical object? This man-made? occurring naturally? geological feature? astronomical?

ditto for hole #2 if different? See above
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 12:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Forgot - the object is indeed man-made.
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 10:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the object made out of [LTPF list of materials]? Is it bigger than a finger? a hand? a sandwich? a loaf of bread? a TV? a car?

Does it depend on the situation whether you can tell me where the hole is? Can't you tell me where the hole is because you don't know it? Because you don't want to?

Is it an object that you find in a household? Outdoors? In public buildings? Do you have one/several at home?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 3:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the object made out of [LTPF list of materials]? Cotton Is it bigger than a finger? This only a hand? a sandwich? a loaf of bread? a TV? a car?

Does it depend on the situation whether you can tell me where the hole is? Yope Can't you tell me where the hole is because you don't know it? This-ish Because you don't want to?

Is it an object that you find in a household? Yes Outdoors? Sometimes-ish In public buildings? Sometimes-ish Do you have one/several at home? Yes, several
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 5:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it an item of clothing? a handkerchief? a cleaning cloth?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 6:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a sock? ahem! a willy-warmer?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 6:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it an item of clothing? Yes a handkerchief? a cleaning cloth? a sock? This! ahem! a willy-warmer?
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it depend on the sock whether you can tell me where the hole is?
Does it depend on whether you're wearing them at the moment or not?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it depend on the sock whether you can tell me where the hole is? Not sure how to answer this - what do you mean?
Does it depend on whether you're wearing them at the moment or not? Yope - this is relevant.
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Not sure how to answer this - what do you mean?" What I mean is that maybe you can tell me where the hole in the blue sock is, but not where in the white sock.

Do you mean the "hole" in the sock that is always there (like where you put your foot in)? Or a hole as in "torn"?

Does this apply to socks in general? One pair of socks? One single sock?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2011 - 11:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Not sure how to answer this - what do you mean?" What I mean is that maybe you can tell me where the hole in the blue sock is, but not where in the white sock. OK. Yes, only one sock (with a hole) is relevant.

Do you mean the "hole" in the sock that is always there (like where you put your foot in)? Or a hole as in "torn"? This

Does this apply to socks in general? One pair of socks? One single sock? One sock
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 5:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it something like, you know there's a hole in the toe of one sock in a pair, but you don't know which foot it is on?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 6:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it something like, you know there's a hole in the toe of one sock Yes in a pair, Yes but you don't know which foot it is on? No
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 7:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a hole that you can't see when you're not wearing the sock? But that you can see when you're wearing it?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 12:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it a hole that you can't see when you're not wearing the sock? But that you can see when you're wearing it? No, OTWT
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there anything else that is relevant about the sock? Its colour? Its pattern?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there anything else that is relevant about the sock? Noish Its colour? Its pattern?

HINT: One word in the puzzle statement (mentioned twice) has a double meaning.
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I? tell? where? hole? is? lol.

tell as in "say something to someone" vs. tell as in "discover" relevant?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 7:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

whole and hole?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 1:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I? tell? where? This hole? is? lol.

tell as in "say something to someone" vs. tell as in "discover" relevant? No

whole and hole? No
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 2:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"where the hole in the sock is" vs. "where the sock itself is"?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"where the hole in the sock is" vs. "where the sock itself is"? Yep.

Now why couldn't I tell you?
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you lost the sock?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 12:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you lost the sock? For a time, yes. I could ask you how, but that would be just prolonging the inevitable

**********SPOILER**********

I can recognize my most comfortable pair of socks because one of them - I always wear it as the right sock - has a hole in the toe. However, when I was emptying out the dryer after my last load of laundry, that one sock was missing. So for the few minutes when I couldn't find the sock, I could tell you where the hole was (in the toe), but not where the hole was (because I didn't know where the sock was!).

Two minutes after posting the puzzle, by the way, I found the sock in the laundry room. So no harm done.

Nice work everyone (Doriana, Shez, Kaylee) - now try my next one.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 9:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thanks Balin - nice one
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Those annoying sock-eating laundry machines and dryers!

Nice puzzle (:
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Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 1:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Love this! It's like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle of holey socks.

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