| Author | Message | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 627 Registered: 1-2011 |
He wanted to avoid danger. As a result, he experienced the much bigger one. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 729 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is this a real story? fictional? FYOI? FSEI? He = H/A/M? Would the danger that he tried to avoid have affected him? someone else? Was the danger a crime? a natural disaster? Time and/or location relevant? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 205 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the first danger physical? loss? financial? the same for the second danger? first he = second he? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 629 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is this a real story? this fictional? FYOI? FSEI? He = H/A/M? yes Would the danger that he tried to avoid have affected him? no, he avoided it successfully someone else? Was the danger a crime? which one? a natural disaster? no Time and/or location relevant? location, yes Shez: was the first danger physical? loss? this financial? and consequently this the same for the second danger? physical first he = second he? yes | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 731 Registered: 12-2010 |
[LTPF list of continents], please. Was he indoors? Outdoors? At a public building? A private residence? Did he avoid the first danger by doing something? saying something? Are there any other relevant people in this puzzle? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1417 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, the first danger was financial loss and the second was a physical danger, right? Was the first danger an attempted criminal offense? The second one? If yes, did he try to resist the first and consequently was treated violently? Like trying to prevent a theft? The location : Relevant the geographical location (state, country, town, etc)? The physical setting (in the mountains, at the sea, etc)? Whether he was inside or outside? If inside, the type of building? Are any other persons relevant? If so: 1? 2? more? H/A/M? H/A/F? Mixed? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 631 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: [LTPF list of continents], please. Europe Was he indoors? Outdoors? this At a public building? A private residence? no to the rest Did he avoid the first danger by doing something? yope saying something? no Are there any other relevant people in this puzzle? not directly Rbruma: So, the first danger was financial loss yesish and the second was a physical danger yes, right? Was the first danger an attempted criminal offense? yes The second one? no If yes, did he try to resist the first and consequently was treated violently? no Like trying to prevent a theft? but he avoided the theft, indeed The location : Relevant the geographical location (state, country, town, etc)? not really The physical setting yes (in the mountains this, at the sea, etc)? Whether he was inside or outside? outside, see above If inside, the type of building? Are any other persons relevant? If so: 1? 2? more? H/A/M? H/A/F? Mixed? He was in the mountains with group of friends, but noone else is directly relevant | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1418 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the attempted theft being perpetrated while he was in the mountains? Before? After? We are talking about theft in the sense of people stealing valuables from others and facing prosecution, not in the sense that an animal tried to steal his food, correct? The physical danger: remaining stranded on the mountain in dangerous conditions? Drowning? Falling off a cliff? Weather relevant? Wild animals? The financial loss: money as such? Or an object of a certain value? Was he in physical danger while still in the mountains? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 633 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: Was the attempted theft being perpetrated while he was in the mountains? There was no attempted theft - sorry if I misled you. The man was just afraid of possible theft. Before? After? while in the mountains We are talking about theft in the sense of people stealing valuables from others and facing prosecution yes, not in the sense that an animal tried to steal his food, correct? correct The physical danger: remaining stranded on the mountain in dangerous conditions? Drowning? Falling off a cliff? Weather relevant? Wild animals? none of these The financial loss: money as such? Or an object of a certain value? this, but DOYD of "value" Was he in physical danger while still in the mountains? yes and relevant | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 213 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he trying to avoid something of his getting stolen? by hiding it? by locking his bicycle? his car? did he fall? did something fall on him? did he start an avalanche? that would be amazing! | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 634 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: was he trying to avoid something of his getting stolen? yes by hiding it? yope by locking his bicycle? his car? nothing of this sort did he fall? did something fall on him? did he start an avalanche? that would be amazing! sorry, none of these | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 218 Registered: 2-2011 |
did avoiding the first thing put him in peril because it delayed him? eg it grew dark and he got lost? or separated from the others? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 636 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: did avoiding the first thing put him in peril because it delayed him? no eg it grew dark and he got lost? or separated from the others? and no again, sorry | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 720 Registered: 9-2008 |
Is the weather on the mountain relevant? If so, was it cold? Hot? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 637 Registered: 1-2011 |
Kaygee: Is the weather on the mountain relevant? no, but... If so, was it cold? this Hot? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1421 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the item that he tried to prevent being stolen: a physical object? Animate? Inanimate? Bigger than a golf ball? a breadbox? a fax machine? Is it a piece of clothing? a luggage? a knapsack? a pair of binoculars? Did he try to hide it? lock it? Conceal its value while not physically locking or hiding it? Was he put in danger at the moment of locking / hiding it, or afterwards? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 639 Registered: 1-2011 |
Rbruma: Is the item slight FA that he tried to prevent being stolen: a physical object? yes Animate? Inanimate? this Bigger than a golf ball? this only a breadbox? a fax machine? Is it a piece of clothing? a luggage? it was in the luggage, yes a knapsack? a pair of binoculars? Did he try to hide it? lock it? Conceal its value while not physically locking or hiding it? neither in fact. You may call it hiding, but it's very inaccurate Was he put in danger at the moment of locking / hiding it, or afterwards? I assume you mean the second, physical danger, if so, he was in danger when only he came to the mountain area | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 229 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it a phone? a camera? an ipod? an ipad? was he simply putting it away rather than hiding it? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1422 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he get in physical danger because he didn't have the object with him while in the mountains? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 640 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: is it a phone? one of the items protected is a phone, yes a camera? an ipod? an ipad? was he simply putting it away rather than hiding it? YES! He just decided to leave them in the luggage in the hotel Rbruma: Did he get in physical danger because he didn't have the object with him while in the mountains? no, although not having the objects in the mountains is relevant | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 763 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are geological features of the mountains relevant? Animals? Plants? Did he have to call someone in the mountains but couldn't? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 233 Registered: 2-2011 |
as there was more than one item which he left behind, was it the lack of something other than the phone which put him in danger when he reached the mountains? and I don't think we've established what that danger was? danger of dying? hunger? thirst? cold? exhaustion? loneliness? boredom? getting lost? falling? drowning? getting burned? being eaten? attacked by animals? humans? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 642 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Are geological features of the mountains relevant? only this and only very general Animals? Plants? Did he have to call someone in the mountains but couldn't? yesish Shez: as there was more than one item which he left behind, was it the lack of something other than the phone which put him in danger when he reached the mountains? I can't answer this question now, explore the danger. As a HINT: The lack of the items made the situation much more difficult. and I don't think we've established what that danger was? danger of dying? in the worst case this hunger? thirst? cold? exhaustion? loneliness? boredom? no to the rest getting lost? falling? drowning? getting burned? being eaten? attacked by animals? humans? no to these | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 242 Registered: 2-2011 |
getting sick? did he leave his medication behind with the other items? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 649 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: getting sick? yes did he leave his medication behind with the other items? he didn't have any permanent medication prescribed | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 246 Registered: 2-2011 |
but was it something for use in emergency only? a nebuliser? glyceril trinitrate? was he diabetic? emergency candy bar? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12461 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is an Epi-pen relevant? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 650 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: but was it something for use in emergency only? no, something quite usual in the situation a nebuliser? glyceril trinitrate? no medications was he diabetic? emergency candy bar? no, sorry Balin: Is an Epi-pen relevant? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 251 Registered: 2-2011 |
the situation being walking? being in the mountains? the cold? the fresh air? the altitude? climbing? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 775 Registered: 12-2010 |
Band-aid? Something you put on insect bites? sun screen? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 651 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: the situation being walking? being in the mountains? this the cold? the fresh air? the altitude? and this climbing? Doriana: Band-aid? Something you put on insect bites? sun screen? none of these | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12511 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant that it's harder to breathe at high altitudes? Is an inhaler involved? An oxygen tank (or other oxygen source)? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 692 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did he go to the mountains alone? with others? Was among the items he left in the hotel a map? a compass? a GPS receiver? Did he get lost in the mountains? Did he get AMS (acute mountain syndrome)? (but there is actually no item that could prevent AMS, the only way is to go up slower) | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 652 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Relevant that it's harder to breathe at high altitudes? Is an inhaler involved? An oxygen tank (or other oxygen source)? I have not enough medical knowledge to know for certain if breathing is relevant, but the altitude is certainly relevant and the man didn't suffer suffocation Sundowner: Did he go to the mountains alone? with others? this Was among the items he left in the hotel a map? a compass? a GPS receiver? nothing of these Did he get lost in the mountains? no Did he get AMS (acute mountain syndrome)? (but there is actually no item that could prevent AMS, the only way is to go up slower) no RECAP & CLARIFICATIONS: A man went to the mountains with friends. He wasn't hiking, what he was doing is yet unknown. He didn't wanted to get his possessions stolen, so he left three important things (one of which is a mobile phone) in his hotel room. Then something happened that put the man into the danger of death, at least a heavy disease, neither the AMS, nor the breathing problems. The lack of the things left made the situation much worse. It may be helpful to discover one more thing about the location and more about the danger. HINT: Having the objects in the mountains wouldn't prevent the danger strictly speaking. But... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12541 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he rock climbing? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 274 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he skiing? snowboarding? was he above the tree line? was the danger caused by the air being thinner at altitude? or the extra strain on his heart? or the lack of protection from UV rays? or was it the temperature at higher altitudes? were his friends similarly affected? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 653 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Was he rock climbing? no, see below Shez: was he skiing? this snowboarding? was he above the tree line? sometimes was the danger caused by the air being thinner at altitude? or the extra strain on his heart? this I think or the lack of protection from UV rays? or was it the temperature at higher altitudes? no were his friends similarly affected? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12550 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he crash while skiing? Was he skiing on a trail? If so, was it an expert trail? Moderate? Easy? Did he ski on different trails throughout the time? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 666 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Did he crash while skiing? no Was he skiing on a trail? yes If so, was it an expert trail? Moderate? Easy? Did he ski on different trails throughout the time? this. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12556 Registered: 4-2010 |
So this was a ski resort? Are chairlifts relevant? Was one of the things he left behind a piece of skiing equipment? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 674 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: So this was a ski resort? yes Are chairlifts relevant? assume no Was one of the things he left behind a piece of skiing equipment? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12559 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he skiing alone? The other items he left behind: is either of them electronic? Medical in nature? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 677 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Was he skiing alone? no, with friends The other items he left behind: is either of them electronic? Medical in nature? no to both HINT: One of the relevant items is connected with skiing - but it's not the equipment. The other is connected with the location - but not the fact that it was a mountain area | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 291 Registered: 2-2011 |
hat? goggles? chairlift pass? or some other sort of pass? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 678 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: hat? goggles? chairlift pass? or some other sort of pass? well, you may regard it as "pass" | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 300 Registered: 2-2011 |
a key? a locker key? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 694 Registered: 6-2003 |
A passport? Did the ski trail cross a border? | ||
| Ostap (Ostap)
New member Username: Ostap Post Number: 95 Registered: 6-2005 |
Was there an accident? Did the man get injured? Were his friends with him when he got in danger? Were they in danger, too? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 682 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: a key? a locker key? no to both Sundowner: A passport? YES Did the ski trail cross a border? no, but the whole place was abroad Ostap: Was there an accident? accident is not the best word Did the man get injured? for svv of "injured", yes Were his friends with him when he got in danger? yes Were they in danger, too? but no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12599 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the nearest hospital in another country? And he couldn't go there w/o a passport? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 312 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he have a heart attack? was the nearest hospital over a border? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 688 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Was the nearest hospital in another country? And he couldn't go there w/o a passport? no to both, the ski resort was abroad to where he lived Shez: did he have a heart attack? YES was the nearest hospital over a border? see above | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 707 Registered: 1-2011 |
HINT: Think of what use can be the mobile phone and passport to person having a heart attack. Think also, what else could that person need. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 845 Registered: 12-2010 |
The mobile phone - to call an ambulance? to call relatives? to indentify the person? The passport - to identify the person? to check in at the hospital? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 708 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: The mobile phone - to call an ambulance? first this to call relatives? and later this to indentify the person? The passport - to identify the person? to check in at the hospital? yes to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12702 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the third thing an item of clothing? To keep warm? A coat? Sweater? Sweatshirt? Hat? Gloves? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 709 Registered: 1-2011 |
Balin: Was the third thing an item of clothing? To keep warm? A coat? Sweater? Sweatshirt? Hat? Gloves? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 378 Registered: 2-2011 |
money? credit card? insurance details? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 876 Registered: 12-2010 |
A dictionary? electronic translator? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 710 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: money? credit card? insurance details? THIS Doriana: A dictionary? electronic translator? no, see above - but it's a good thought nevertheless. The man was absolutely incapable to speak ANY foreign language, what made his situation even worse. All the pieces are on the table, just need to be put together. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 898 Registered: 12-2010 |
A man is on a skiing holiday somewhere abroad. He leaves his passport, mobile phone and insurance details in the hotel because he doesn't want them to get stolen. But while he is skiing, he suffers a heart attack, and since he doesn't have the necessary things with him, he couldn't be taken to a hospital. Correct? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 721 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: A man is on a skiing holiday somewhere abroad. He leaves his passport, mobile phone and insurance details in the hotel because he doesn't want them to get stolen. But while he is skiing, he suffers a heart attack, and since he doesn't have the necessary things with him, he couldn't be taken to a hospital. Correct? almost, so here's the... ********SPOILER*********** A man is on a skiing holiday somewhere abroad. He leaves his passport, mobile phone and insurance details in the hotel because he doesn't want them to get stolen. But while he is skiing, he suffers a heart attack. His friends call the medical staff to him (luckily there was a kind of safety show at a place so there were many medical staff). One person of the group (Yours RedWine) goes with a man to the medical station, where she has to provide detailed personal data and insurance. (It happened to my mother's cousin's husband and I went to hospital with him being the only one person able to speak foreign languages). As the passport was left behind and I knew nothing but his name and the name of the place where he lived... It was a hard job to get all this information from almost unconscious man :-). I had to leave him my insurance card (we all had the same insurance) and my brother's mobile phone, to contact us. That's the whole story. The man had to be finally transported by helicopter to bigger hospital, where he had an operation. Insurance company refused to pay for it. I had to switch off the phone due to helicopter transportation and we had another funny situation with doctor from the hospital, calling to get the code number to switch on the phone. And I was left lost in the middle of unknown, quite big area, without a mobile - we used one with my brother, decided to leave my one at home - and insurance :-) |
