| Author | Message | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3314 Registered: 9-2010 |
It claimed him on the mountain. It claimed him by the river. It claimed him by the hand of the King. The King claimed the crown when It failed. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12573 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are all Its the same thing? Are all Hims the same thing? Him - H? A? M? Is It an object? A person? A living thing? Something tabngible? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3315 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are all Its the same thing? Yes/Yes/No Are all Hims the same thing? No Him - H? A? M? Yes to all three. Is It an object? Yes A person? No A living thing? DOYD of 'living' Something tabngible? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12576 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is It an animal? A plant? Are any of the Its the same? The Hims? If so, which ones? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3317 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is It an animal? A plant? Neither Are any of the Its the same? Yes The Hims? No If so, which ones? It 1 and 2 are identical. You haven't asked about the Kings yet...? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12578 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the Kings the same? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3319 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are the Kings the same? No, they are not! *grin* | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12581 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are either of the Kings H? A? M? Objects? Chess pieces? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3320 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are either of the Kings H? A? M? King #1, Yesish/yes/yes, King #2, yes/yes/yes, no to rest Objects? Chess pieces? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3321 Registered: 9-2010 |
Oh, and the "It" that failed is the same It as 1 and 2, sorry. Only the third mention of It is a different It. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 800 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is King #1 real? fictional? mythical? Is King #2 real? fictional? mythical? Is "it" #1,2,4 bigger than a finger? a hand? a loaf of bread? a table? a car? a house? Is "it" #3 bigger than a finger? a hand? a loaf of bread? a table? a car? a house? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3324 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is King #1 real? fictional? this mythical? Is King #2 real? fictional? this mythical? Is "it" #1,2,4 bigger than a finger? a hand? a loaf of bread? a table? a car? a house? no to all Is "it" #3 bigger than a finger? a hand? a loaf of bread? a table? a car? a house? possibly between car and house, or bigger than a house | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 801 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is this FYOI? FSEI? From a book? film? game? Is "it" #1,2,4 smaller than a finger? [LTPF list of materials] for both "it"s, please? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3325 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is this FYOI? FSEI? this From a book? this film? some was adapted into this later, but not all game? and I think there have been games based on the books and films Is "it" #1,2,4 smaller than a finger? it is [LTPF list of materials] for both "it"s, please? It 1/2/4 - gold, IIRC It 3 - presumably primarily wood, though metal may have been involved and cloth must have been, too, as well as ropes Hint: "It claimed him by the hand of the King" may mislead. That "him" is a King, too, and he technically had a hand in his own demise through idiocy. He was more immediately responsible for his own death than the other King was, though the other King initiated it. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 802 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is "it" #1,2,4 a ring? LOTR relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3326 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is "it" #1,2,4 a ring? It is. In fact... LOTR relevant? VERY relevant! :-D | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12583 Registered: 4-2010 |
So is this just the basic plot of LOTR? First Sauron, then Isildur...not sure about the third line, but the last one is Aragorn? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3327 Registered: 9-2010 |
So is this just the basic plot of LOTR? Not *quite*. First Sauron, No, that was my fault...and since when is Sauron human? The first two were both Isildur. *BLOOPER* on my part. The One Ring claimed mastery of Isildur on Orodruin, It drew his enemies to him by the Gladden Fields, claiming his life. then Isildur Yes....not sure about the third line, but the last one is Aragorn? It is. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12586 Registered: 4-2010 |
So the third line's the mystery, eh? Is the "it" in L3 a structure? A building? A bridge? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3330 Registered: 9-2010 |
So the third line's the mystery, eh? it would seem so. Is the "it" in L3 a structure? this is closest, for svv of "structure". It's something that was built, but not a building or bridge. A building? A bridge? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12588 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a single "built-thing"? A group of things? A wall? A city? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3332 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is it a single "built-thing"? there may have been more than one, but only one is relevant A group of things? possibly, no to rest though A wall? A city? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12591 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it something portable? From FOTR? TTT? ROTK? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3335 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is it something portable? well, it moves, anyway From FOTR? TTT? ROTK? none of these, that's why I said "yesish" to LOTR. There is *mention* of this "him" during ROTK, but he isn't extant alongside Aragorn. He's one of his ancestors, however; an important one. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3336 Registered: 9-2010 |
Hint: Try the Appendices, Balin. And by RotK, I mean the book, not necessarily the film. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12596 Registered: 4-2010 |
I'm not sure where my copy is though... Is he mentioned in the timeline (App. B, IIRC)? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3344 Registered: 9-2010 |
I'm not sure where my copy is though...o noez! were it went?! Is he mentioned in the timeline (App. B, IIRC)? Yes, in the twentieth century of the Third Age. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12825 Registered: 4-2010 |
I will e-mail my sister - she knows this better than I. And she has access to the book. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3403 Registered: 9-2010 |
Fair enough. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12848 Registered: 4-2010 |
Here's the e-mail my sister sent me, quoted verbatim (I just left out the closing and signature): Ok here's what I got. 20th century = 1900-1999 right? Third age. Frame of reference: the third age begins with Sauron going poof after his ring gets cut off. Bilbo isn't born until 2890, Aragorn until 2931. Just in case you were wondering. I'm confused by exactly what you know and don't know and it is making my search more difficult. As to the third line, is the king refered to deffinatly Isildur or could it refer to the Witch-king (Nazgul)? In 2002 Minas Ithil was overtaken after being besieged by the Nazgul in 200 and gets renamed Minas Morgul. This could have been achomplished by use of trebuches, which are made of wood, metal and rope. Just a thought. Next time mom sends you stuff, I'll try to throw in a copy of LOTR; I think we might have two. Let me know what you think. P.S. I like the title: The king is dead, long live the king. Where have I heard that said before? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3412 Registered: 9-2010 |
"The king is dead, long live the king" is a typically royal thing to say...particularly in the UK, where the throne is never without a monarch (even if the successor is not crowned). Oh, and don't get me started on the whole thing with Cromwell, because that sucked. Ahem. Anyway... RECAP, with hints/bits solved: The Ring claimed Isildur on the mountain. It claimed Isildur by the river. (Not the Ring) It claimed the King (not Isildur) because it was fated. Aragorn claimed the crown when the One Ring failed. You're pretty close to done here, Balin. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12849 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are either of the remaining "its" people? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3414 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are either of the remaining "its" people? They aren't. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12851 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is either "it" a tangible object? Intangible thing? Greed? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3415 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is either "it" a tangible object? Intangible thing? Greed? The first one is tangible, the second one is intangible. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12855 Registered: 4-2010 |
The King - of Gondor? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3416 Registered: 9-2010 |
The King - of Gondor? No, not Gondor. Not for lack of trying, though. After all, he did marry the daughter of a King of Gondor. | ||
| Docd (Docd)
New member Username: Docd Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2004 |
Line 3-when King Arvedui of the North Kingdom was ship-wrecked in the Icebay of Forochel? ("It" being the ship on which Arvedui was ill-advised to sail) Line 2- is "it" the orc's arrow which slew (love that word) Isildur? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3451 Registered: 9-2010 |
Line 3-when King Arvedui of the North Kingdom was ship-wrecked in the Icebay of Forochel? ("It" being the ship on which Arvedui was ill-advised to sail) Line 2- is "it" the orc's arrow which slew (love that word) Isildur? Well done!! ***SPOILER*** It (The One Ring) claimed him (Isildur) on the mountain. It (The orc arrow) claimed him (Isildur) by the river. It (The ill-advised ship) claimed him (Arvedui Last-King) by the hand of the King. The King (Aragorn Elessar) claimed the crown when It (The One Ring) failed. A brief...ish background: Aragorn, later King Elessar, "the Elf-stone", wasn't just a scruffy Ranger to begin with, no matter how the films depict him. He (and the Rangers) had a long, noble and royal lineage. Isildur, son of Elendil, was his forefather and a direct descendant of Elros, Elrond Peredhel's twin brother. Isildur and his elder sons perished at the hands of orcs, after Isildur claimed the One Ring of Sauron during the War of the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. Isildur was followed as King of Arnor by his son Valandil. (This was Gondor's northern neighbour; Gondor was ruled by the descendants of Isildur's brother Anarion.) The Kings of Arnor did fairly well, until one of them had three sons and decided to split Arnor in three pieces. Arthedain, as the largest bit was then called, later fell under attacks by the Witch-King who had conquered or eliminated the other realms of Arnor, Cardolan and Rhudaur. Arvedui was the last King of Arthedain. He married Firiel, daughter of King Ondoher of Gondor. Unfortunately, Arvedui lived up to his name "last king" in a bad way, not a good one. His people hoped his political union with Gondor would reunite the two realms. Gondor's Steward said no way; we don't want you or YOUR son ruling us, even though Firiel's brothers had died. So the line of Kings soon went extinct in Gondor...and Arvedui perished in the North, in the Bay of Farochel, where he'd been warned not to sail. This left his son and heir Aranarth alone to rule, but Arnor had been decimated...there was no "kingdom" left as such. So he took the name Chieftain of the Dunedain, and Aragorn (second of that name) was sixteenth in right line after him, finally realizing the dream of reuniting the long-sundered realms. The End =) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12899 Registered: 4-2010 |
Nice puzzle, Kaylee! And thanks, Docd, for hopping in on this one. Without my LOTR copy handy, I never would have gotten Arvedui (though I should have gotten the orc arrow). |
