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Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 3:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jai had been looking forward to Tuesday for a long time. Sadly he never made it; he died on Monday. Had he died on Tuesday, Raj would have gotten nothing. Why?
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 3:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are Jai and Raj both human? Does their age(s) matter? Their gender(s)?

So did Jai die on Monday? When Jai died, was Raj alive? Was Raj a beneficiary of some kind, such as one who is named in a will?
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Are Jai and Raj both human? Yes
Does their age(s) matter? Yes, in a lateral way.
Their gender(s)? Yes, both male.

So did Jai die on Monday? Yes
When Jai died, was Raj alive? Yes
Was Raj a beneficiary of some kind, YES!
such as one who is named in a will? But not this way.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

as Jai died on Monday, did Raj get lots? money? land? power?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are Jai and Raj friends? Are they of the same family? Do they know each other? If not, do they know OF each other?
Is either person a child? An adult? An elderly person? A baby?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 3:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

as Jai died on Monday,Yes
did Raj get lots? Lots of...?
money? No
land? No
power? No
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I posted a few q's earlier, but thought of a few more...

Had Raj made some kind of bet about Jai?
Is the cause of Jai's death relevant?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 7:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I posted a few q's earlier, but thought of a few more...Whoops! Feel free to poke me if I miss your Qs like that.

Are Jai and Raj friends? Yes, perhaps
Are they of the same family? YES
Do they know each other? Yes
If not, do they know OF each other? and Yes
Is either person a child? Yes-ish
An adult? Yes
An elderly person? I would not say ELDERLY...
A baby? No

Had Raj made some kind of bet about Jai? No
Is the cause of Jai's death relevant? YES
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 7:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Raj kill Jai?
Was Jai murdered? Killed accidentally? Died from an illness? Died from natural causes? Died from an unexpected cause that wasn't an illness (like a stroke, heart attack, aneurism)?
Is Jai's age 1-10 yrs? 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? older?
Same q for Raj.
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are Jai and Raj brothers? or father and son?
Is Raj older than Jai?
Would Raj have got anything if Jai
- died before Monday?
- died after Tuesday?
Would something special have happened to Jai on Tuesday? an anniversary? would he have received a title? a right? property? would he have married?
Are there other people relevant? if so: Jai's parents? Raj's parents? does one of the relevant persons die shortly before? shortly after Jai?
Inheritance laws relevant?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Monday, June 13, 2011 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye724
Did Raj kill Jai? YES - had him killed. Same difference

Was Jai murdered? Yes
Killed accidentally? No
Died from an illness? No
Died from natural causes? No
Died from an unexpected cause that wasn't an illness (like a stroke, heart attack, aneurism)? No

Is Jai's age 1-10 yrs? 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? older?
Same q for Raj.
Let's go with Jai is in his 60s, Raj in his 40s.

Sundowner
Are Jai and Raj brothers? No
or father and son? YES!
Is Raj older than Jai? No

Would Raj have got anything if Jai
- died before Monday? No
- died after Tuesday? Yes!

Would something special have happened to Jai on Tuesday? Yes
an anniversary? Yes
would he have received a title? a right? property? None of these.
would he have married? No

Are there other people relevant? if so: Jai's parents? Raj's parents? does one of the relevant persons die shortly before? shortly after Jai?
No other folks are terribly relevant.

Inheritance laws relevant? In a way...
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 10:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would it have been Jai's birthday on Tuesday? was he due to inherit something at a certain age?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would it have been Jai's birthday on Tuesday? No
was he due to inherit something at a certain age? Yope, age and...
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 2:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there an additional - besides age - condition for Jai to inherit goods? If so: marital status? being married for X years? financial condition? family status? having Y children? education?

To clear up: as Jai died on Tuesday, Raj got nothing, correct? Or got nothing from the big thing Jai was waiting for?
Did Raj inherit, being Jai's son, "normal" inheritance?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 2:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there an additional - besides age - condition for Jai to inherit goods? FA here.
If so: marital status? No
being married for X years? No
financial condition? No
family status? No
having Y children? No
education? No

To clear up: as Jai died on Tuesday, Raj got nothing, correct? The puzzle statement states Jai died on Monday.
Or got nothing from the big thing Jai was waiting for? FA

Did Raj inherit, being Jai's son, "normal" inheritance? YOPE. Explore.
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, of course Jai died on Monday.
So, was the thing Jai was waiting for connected with gaining a financial benefit?
Is this relevant that there is a rule in some countries that murderer does not inherit after a victim?
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Does now Raj receive what otherwise Jai would have got? Or somebody else would have got?
Or did Raj have it already before Jai died? and now does not have to hand it over to Jai?
Or would nobody get anything if Jai died on Tuesday?
Life insurance relevant? Did Jai have a life insurance that ended Monday 12:00 pm? with Raj as beneficiary?
(So much criminal energy ..)
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 - 7:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Redwine
Sorry, of course Jai died on Monday.
No worries. Funny enough, I originally wrote this without the specific day names but thought that would be too confusing. Ha!

So, was the thing Jai was waiting for connected with gaining a financial benefit? No
Is this relevant that there is a rule in some countries that murderer does not inherit after a victim? This rule is not relevant.

Sundowner
Does now Raj receive what otherwise Jai would have got? NO! Good Q
Or somebody else would have got? Yes...

Or did Raj have it already before Jai died? No, he did not.
and now does not have to hand it over to Jai? No
Or would nobody get anything if Jai died on Tuesday? Someone not in the puzzle would get something. Let's call him Mohinder.

Life insurance relevant? No
Did Jai have a life insurance that ended Monday 12:00 pm? with Raj as beneficiary? No to both

(So much criminal energy ..) On the forum? Or in this puzzle?
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Mohinder -- is he a brother of Raj? Stepbrother? Otherways related to Raj?

Does his age matter (is relevant) to the puzzle? Some laws about the first born in a family?

I am unsure if these have been asked: True story? Country relevant? Period relevant?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Did Jai make a will? Did someone else make a relevant will?
Jai had an anniversary on Tuesday, correct?
Was it wedding anniversary? Family anniversary? Any professional anniversary?

Were Raj and Mohinder "competitors" for inheritance after Jai?
Did law of inheritance change on Tuesday?
Did Raj want Jai to die ON MONDAY?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rbruma
Mohinder -- is he a brother of Raj? No
Stepbrother? No
Otherways related to Raj? NO!

Does his age matter (is relevant) to the puzzle? Mohinder's? Not at all.
Some laws about the first born in a family? No, but this has shades of OTRT

I am unsure if these have been asked: They have not and should be. Well done!
True story? Yes
Country relevant? YES!
Period relevant? Not terribly but it happened within the last 5 years.

Redwine
Did Jai make a will? Irrelevant.
Did someone else make a relevant will? All wills are irrelevant.
Jai had an anniversary on Tuesday, correct? Yes
Was it wedding anniversary? No
Family anniversary? No
Any professional anniversary? Yes!

Were Raj and Mohinder "competitors" for inheritance after Jai? No
Did law of inheritance change on Tuesday? No

Did Raj want Jai to die ON MONDAY? YES and, as previously discovered, he made sure Jai did by having him killed.
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Are these their real names?
are Raj, Jai, and Mohinder from India? Pakistan? (LTPF list of other countries ending in -stan)? (lol, sorry, I can't spell them...) somewhere else in Asia?
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oh, well, I can spell Afghanistan, but the other ones, no...so are they from there?
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Dr. Suresh relevant? Is India the country we are looking for?
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Kayleetonkslupin
Are these their real names? Not that I know of.
are Raj, Jai, and Mohinder from India? YES!

*other place Qs deleted*

Rbruma
Dr. Suresh relevant? Only that he's cute and Heroes started so well and then made a nosedive.

Is India the country we are looking for? yes
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Would Jai retire from his work on Tuesday?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Would Jai retire from his work on Tuesday? YES! Great Q.
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Was Jai's workplace obliged to pay any money if its worker died? Is Mohinder the owner of the workplace?
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Was Jai's workplace obliged to pay any money if its worker died? No
Is Mohinder the owner of the workplace? No
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So for Raj it was relevant that Jai dies while still holding a particular job?
Would it help to find out what Jai's job was?
Did Jai die in his workplace? Relevant?
Did Raj, as son of the deceased, get access to Jai's workplace? which he otherwise would not have got? Did he get access to information?
Did he take over Jai's job?
Did Jai make a promise for the case that he would die "in office"?
Is Raj's benefit mainly: financial? health/physical? status?
Relevant that Jai and Raj are male?
Is Raj a spy?
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So for Raj it was relevant that Jai dies while still holding a particular job? Yes
Would it help to find out what Jai's job was? Irrelevant
Did Jai die in his workplace? Relevant? He did NOT.
Did Raj, as son of the deceased, get access to Jai's workplace? Yes!
which he otherwise would not have got? yes
Did he get access to information? No
Did he take over Jai's job? Yes
Did Jai make a promise for the case that he would die "in office"? No

Is Raj's benefit mainly: financial? Yes health/physical? No
status? No
Relevant that Jai and Raj are male? Not really
Is Raj a spy? No
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Was Raj unemployed before?
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Was there a rule (law? company rule? family rule?) that the job would pass to the heir if someone dies before retiring?
Did Jai work in a private business? in a government or public institution? did he run his own business?
Would Raj have had no chance to get Jai's job once the job was free after Jai's retiring? if so: any (anti-)discriminatory policy relevant? did Raj belong to the wrong caste?
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Redwine
Was Raj unemployed before? Irrelevant

Sundowner
Was there a rule Yes (law? company rule? family rule? More no to these) that the job would pass to the heir if someone dies before retiring? YES!!
Did Jai work in a private business? No
in a government or public institution? Yes, government.
did he run his own business? No
Would Raj have had no chance to get Jai's job once the job was free after Jai's retiring? Yes!
if so: any (anti-)discriminatory policy relevant? did Raj belong to the wrong caste? Irrelevant

I think we have enough for a

****** SPOILER ******

Blood Is Thicker: In Bihar state, India, a man was charged with having his father killed a day before retirement so that the son might "inherit" his government job via the traditional family-hardship policy. (If Dad had retired, the regular hiring process would have been used to find a replacement.) [Reuters, 6-3-08]
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good grief!

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