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Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 10:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Due to a desire to keep my feet dry, I ended up sleeping in a large puddle. My feet also got wet.
What happened?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I = you, Galfisk?

Did this happen once? More than once?
Were you sleeping outdoors? In a tent? In a sleeping bag? Indoors? In a bed? In an unusual place?

A puddle of water? Was this puddle caused by rain? By a broken tap/water pipe? By a leaking roof? By water spilling from a container?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 11:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I = you, Galfisk? Yes.

Did this happen once? this. More than once?
Were you sleeping outdoors? Yope. In a tent? this is closest, but not that close. In a sleeping bag? Indoors? In a bed? Yes. In an unusual place? No.

A puddle of water? Yes. Was this puddle caused by rain? Partly. By a broken tap/water pipe? By a leaking roof? By water spilling from a container? No to the rest.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*BLOOPER*
In a sleeping bag? No. Indoors? Yope.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 11:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were you sleeping in a caravan?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 11:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could you have slept somewhere else? Or did you have only one possibility?
Did it happen during an excursion? A camp? A survival event?
Are other people involved?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 12:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could you have slept somewhere else? Yes. Or did you have only one possibility? No.
Did it happen during an excursion? A camp? This is closest, but not that close. A survival event?
Are other people involved? None relevant.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 12:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The "somewhere else" where you could have slept, is it a tent? a hotel? a hostel? a cave? a private house?
If you had slept in "somewhere else", would your feet have got wet? If so, would it have been due to the rain? broken pipe? leaking roof?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a regular bed? A bunk bed? A fold-away bed? A makeshift bed?

Did the bed fall apart? If it didn't, did the water soak into the mattress? Did you fall out of the bed?

Was the water on the floor/ground only?
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You forgot to answer Doriana's question about sleeping in a caravan ;-)

Does "somewhere else" simply mean that you could've slept in some other place within the caravan, or wherever you were?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The "somewhere else" where you could have slept, is it a tent? a hotel? a hostel? a cave? a private house? This is closest.
If you had slept in "somewhere else", would your feet have got wet? Probably not. If so, would it have been due to the rain? Partly. broken pipe? leaking roof? No to the rest.

Was it a regular bed? A bunk bed? A fold-away bed? This. A makeshift bed?

Did the bed fall apart? If it didn't, did the water soak into the mattress? Did you fall out of the bed? No to all.

Was the water on the floor/ground only? It was on the ground only.

You forgot to answer Doriana's question about sleeping in a caravan ;-) Oh, yes it was indeed a caravan.

Does "somewhere else" simply mean that you could've slept in some other place within the caravan, or wherever you were? No, "somewhere else" would be inside a building.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 2:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a window in the caravan left open? A door?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 2:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a window in the caravan left open? A door? No to both.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 6:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the water come from outside the caravan? Was it weather related? Did it come from inside? Was it due to a plumbing leak? Condensation?

I guess I should ask first, was the puddle actually made of water? Or was it some other liquid?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, I just saw that someone already asked the water question and whether it was from rain. I swear I looked for that before I asked it!
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the water come from outside the caravan? Yes/FA Was it weather related? Yes. Did it come from inside? Was it due to a plumbing leak? Condensation? No to the rest

I guess I should ask first, was the puddle actually made of water? Yes. Or was it some other liquid? No.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the water already been there when you went to sleep?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 8:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the water already been there when you went to sleep? No.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would your feet have got wet because they would have been sticking out?

did the roof leak? did the roof or gutter collapse?
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

would your feet have got wet because they would have been sticking out? No.

did the roof leak? did the roof or gutter collapse? No.
There's an FA here.
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Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the caravan even have a roof? Or all four walls? Or a floor?

Is the location of the caravan relevant? Was it near the other place where you could've slept? Were they both on the same estate? Is something about the ground relevant? Was the ground unstable and the caravan sunk in somewhat?

You implied that theoretically, your feet could've gotten wet in the other place, too. Does that mean that the same thing that happened in the caravan could've happened in the house as well? Or do you just mean that you can't generally rule out that your feet get wet there? Is a flood involved?

Is the reason why you chose sleeping in the caravan over sleeping in the building relevant?
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Did the caravan even have a roof? Or all four walls? Or a floor? Yes, it's intact.

Is the location of the caravan relevant? Yes. Was it near the other place where you could've slept? Yes. Were they both on the same estate? Yes. Is something about the ground relevant? Yes. Was the ground unstable and the caravan sunk in somewhat? No.

You implied that theoretically, your feet could've gotten wet in the other place, too. Yes. Does that mean that the same thing that happened in the caravan could've happened in the house as well? No. I smell the FA again. Or do you just mean that you can't generally rule out that your feet get wet there? The same thing that got my feet wet could've happened if I'd slept inside, but then at least I would've been able to avoid it. Is a flood involved? For SVV of "flood".

Is the reason why you chose sleeping in the caravan over sleeping in the building relevant? It may give you a clue to get rid of the FA.
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Did you actually sleep inside the caravan? Or elsewhere around it? Under it?
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Did you actually sleep inside the caravan? Yes. Or elsewhere around it? Under it?
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If you had slept in the building, could you have avoided getting wet by choosing a certain room? Or changing room? Changing the story of the building? If so, would you have to go to a higher one? Or to a lower one?
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If you had slept in the building, could you have avoided getting wet by choosing a certain room? Or changing room? Changing the story of the building? If so, would you have to go to a higher one? Or to a lower one? FA.
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Did the building have rooms? Did the building have only one story? Was the building something where people do normally sleep?
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Did the building have rooms? Did the building have only one story? Was the building something where people do normally sleep? Yes to all. The FA is not about the building.
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Is the FA about the caravan? About where you slept?
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Is the FA about the caravan? No. About where you slept? Yes, in a way.
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Did your feet get wet from the puddle? Or from something else? were your feet the only part of you to get wet?
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Is the FA about the bed? About the position in which you slept? About where you put your feet? About where the caravan was? About the puddle?

Did you sleepwalk? And you went outside in your sleep and continued to sleep there? And if you had been in the house, getting outside would've been more difficult?

Did you choose to sleep in the caravan? Or did you have to?
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Did your feet get wet from the puddle? No. Or from something else? Yes. were your feet the only part of you to get wet? Yes.

Is the FA about the bed? Possibly. About the position in which you slept? Probably. About where you put your feet? Possibly. About where the caravan was? Possibly. About the puddle? Probably.

Did you sleepwalk? And you went outside in your sleep and continued to sleep there? And if you had been in the house, getting outside would've been more difficult? Nothing like this.

Did you choose to sleep in the caravan? Yes. Or did you have to? No.
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Was the caravan standing in the "large puddle"? Did your feet become wet while you were sleeping? If not, did it happen before? Or afterwards? Did you step into something?
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Was the caravan standing in the "large puddle"? Yes. Did your feet become wet while you were sleeping? No. If not, did it happen before? Or afterwards? This. Did you step into something? Yes.
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Did you step into something inside the caravan? Outside the caravan? Did you step into the puddle? Before you went to sleep? Or afterwards?
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Did you step into something inside the caravan? Outside the caravan? This. Did you step into the puddle? No. Before you went to sleep? Or afterwards? This.
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Did you step into some other puddle? Into something that was inside the building? Was whatever you stepped into water, too?

If it happened inside the building, had the fluid been around before you decided to sleep in the caravan? Was that the reason why you slept there?
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Did you step into some other puddle? Into something that was inside the building? No to both. Was whatever you stepped into water, too? Yope.

If it happened inside the building What happened?, had the fluid been around before you decided to sleep in the caravan? The fluid was not around when I decided to sleep in the caravan. Was that the reason why you slept there? If the fluid had been around then, I may have slept inside the building.
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did you step into mud?
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did you step into mud? No.
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Were you even inside the building?
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So since the puddle was outside the caravan, by "sleeping in a puddle" do you mean sleeping within the caravan, that itself was in the puddle?

So let's get the order of events straight:

1) You decided to sleep in a caravan, rather than inside of a nearby building. At this time there was neither a puddle of water nor any other liquid on the ground around the caravan.
2) You slept.
3) You woke up and stepped outside the caravan. A puddle had formed around the caravan, but you did not step into it.
4) You stepped into some other liquid that contained water, but was not actually water.

Was there any causal connection between the puddle of water forming and the other liquid appearing?
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Were you even inside the building? Not while sleeping.

So let's get the order of events straight:

1) You decided to sleep in a caravan, rather than inside of a nearby building. At this time there was neither a puddle of water nor any other liquid on the ground around the caravan. Correct.
2) You slept. Yes.
3) You woke up and stepped outside the caravan. A puddle had formed around the caravan, but you did not step into it. Also correct.
4) You stepped into some other Yes. liquid No. that contained water, Yes. but was not actually water. Yope.

Was there any causal connection between the puddle of water forming and the other liquid FA, se above appearing? Yes, but beware of another FA.
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Had the other substance been in the building before you decided to sleep in the caravan?

Did the substance consist of water + one or more other substances? Or was it water in a different state of matter? Or both?

If the substance was of a different state of matter, was it solid? Or gaseous?

Was it ice? Mud?
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Had the other substance been in the building before you decided to sleep in the caravan? The other substance was never in the building.

Did the substance consist of water + one or more other substances? Or was it water in a different state of matter? This. Or both?

If the substance was of a different state of matter, was it solid? This. Or gaseous?

Was it ice? Mud? No to both (though it consisted of ice).
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Snow? Did it melt to form the puddle?
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Snow? Did it melt to form the puddle? Yes to both.
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So after sleeping in the caravan, you went outside? To go to the building? And you stepped into snow? That made your feet wet? And the snow hadn't been there when you decided to sleep in the caravan? Or even if there had been some, it hadn't been that much? And if you had known that there would be so much snow, you would've slept in the building? So that you wouldn't have to go outside? Which is how you could've avoided getting your feet wet?
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So after sleeping in the caravan, you went outside? Yes. To go to the building? Yes, but irrelevant. And you stepped into snow? That made your feet wet? Yes and yes. And the snow hadn't been there when you decided to sleep in the caravan? Yes, it was there before. Or even if there had been some, it hadn't been that much? There was more snow before. And if you had known that there would be so much snow, you would've slept in the building? See above. So that you wouldn't have to go outside? I still would have to go outside, but... Which is how you could've avoided getting your feet wet? Yes.
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Was there something in the building (but not in the caravan) that you could've taken with you to protect your feet better? Like different shoes? Or different socks? More socks?

Or was there something that could've helped you to not step into the snow in the first place? Maybe a flashlight? Was it still dark when you stepped into the snow? And you simply didn't see it?

Did your feet become wet due to snow entering your shoes? Or was it because of your trouser legs getting wet? Making your feet get wet after you took off your shoes?
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Was there something in the building (but not in the caravan) that you could've taken with you to protect your feet better? Like different shoes? Or different socks? More socks? No to all.

Or was there something that could've helped you to not step into the snow in the first place? Noish. Maybe a flashlight? Was it still dark when you stepped into the snow? No. And you simply didn't see it? I saw it very well.

Did your feet become wet due to snow entering your shoes? This. Or was it because of your trouser legs getting wet? Making your feet get wet after you took off your shoes?
Hint: my desire to keep my feet dry was what led to everything else.
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Was the snow deep? Did it look like solid snow? Did you try to walk on top of it?
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Was the snow deep? Yes. Did it look like solid snow? It was crunchy and soggy. Did you try to walk on top of it? No, I knew I couldn't.
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Did you put on boots to go out into the snow? Put on shoes?
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Did you put on boots to go out into the snow? This. Put on shoes?
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Did you put the boots on over your shoes? Take off your shoes?

Did it begin to snow while you were outside?
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Did you put the boots on over your shoes? No. Take off your shoes? No shoes involved, only my winter boots.

Did it begin to snow while you were outside? No.
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Was the snow so high that your boots fully sunk in?
Were your boots leaky?
Did you tie them properly?
Was something inside your boots?
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Was the snow so high that your boots fully sunk in? Yes.
Were your boots leaky? No.
Did you tie them properly? Yes.
Was something inside your boots? My feet, my socks, and eventually melting snow.
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Did the melting snow from your shoes cause the puddle that you slept in?
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Did the melting snow from your shoes cause the puddle that you slept in? No.
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Was the puddle you slept in caused by snow at all?
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Was the puddle you slept in caused by snow at all? Snow and rain, but there's more to it.
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Did you leave the caravan door open when you went outside?
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Did you leave the caravan door open when you went outside? No. You appear to be making an FA.
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Did you walk outside for a long time? Or just step outside, then return?
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Did you walk outside for a long time? Or just step outside, then return? I walked from the caravan to the building, about 20 meters.
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RECAP:
Due to a desire to keep my feet dry, I slept in a caravan sitting in a large puddle, caused by rain and melting snow. I chose to sleep in the caravan because I like it there. The puddle was not there when I went to sleep.
The next morning I went outside, and had to step through deep snow that got into my boots, making my feet wet. This was not anticipated, or I would've slept in an adjacent building, where I probably wouldn't have had to step through deep snow the next morning.
The snow was there when I decided to sleep in the caravan, in fact it was even more of it then.
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Just to clarify: Were you actually sleeping in the puddle? Or was the caravan?

Is the weather forecast for the next day relevant?
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Just to clarify: Were you actually sleeping in the puddle? Or was the caravan? I was sleeping in the caravan, which sat in the puddle. I did not sleep directly in the puddle.

Is the weather forecast for the next day relevant? No.
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Did you have to go through the snow because of the puddle? Like, in the area where the puddle formed, there wasn't much snow and you would have been able to cross without getting snow in your boots? But because you wished to avoid the puddle, you had to take a route through deeper snow?
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Did you have to go through the snow because of the puddle? Yesish. Like, in the area where the puddle formed, there wasn't much snow and you would have been able to cross without getting snow in your boots? Correct - but there's more to it. But because you wished to avoid the puddle, you had to take a route through deeper snow? Yes.
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Did you have a reason to think the snow was not likely to last long before melting? or did you not anticipate having to get up as early as you did?
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Did you have a reason to think the snow was not likely to last long before melting? I thought the snow would stay. or did you not anticipate having to get up as early as you did? I got up when I thought I would.
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HINT: How did I get to the caravan, without getting my feet wet?
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aha! were there steps? or a plank?
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aha! were there steps? or a plank?
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The snow was solid when you went to the caravan?
Your feet were already wet when you went?
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aha! were there steps? or a plank? No, but OTRT.

The snow was solid when you went to the caravan?
Your feet were already wet when you went? No to both.
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stepping stones? upturned milk crate? a pipe?

was there an object(s) which you were able to step on to get to the door, or was there something which acted as a bridge which you were able to walk over?
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stepping stones? upturned milk crate? a pipe? No.

was there an object(s) which you were able to step on to get to the door, or was there something which acted as a bridge which you were able to walk over? There was something, but I'm not sure it could be called an object.
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I'm a little lost...In the recapt you stated "The puddle was not there when I went to sleep".

Based on that answer it would seem the answer to "HINT: How did I get to the caravan, without getting my feet wet?" would be -

You walked there when there was no puddle, and thus no possibility of getting your feet wet?

Was there some OTHER reason your feet would have gotten wet?
Have we determined that?
And now we are deducing how you avoid that circumstance?
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Was there ICE you could walk on? But then it melted?
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I'm a little lost...In the recapt you stated "The puddle was not there when I went to sleep". Correct.

Based on that answer it would seem the answer to "HINT: How did I get to the caravan, without getting my feet wet?" would be -

You walked there when there was no puddle, and thus no possibility of getting your feet wet? Incorrect. My feet got wet from stepping through deep snow. See below.

Was there some OTHER reason your feet would have gotten wet?
Have we determined that? See above.
And now we are deducing how you avoid that circumstance? Yes. You need to know how I got to the camper without having to walk through deep snow.
HINT: If I had slept inside, or walked through the deep snow, the puddle would have been smaller or nonexistent.

Was there ICE you could walk on? But then it melted? No.
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Did you walk to the camper? Did you create the puddle when going to the camper?
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Balin, I think you've got it with the did you walk to the camper Q.

Were you inside the camper when it was moved to that spot?
Did heat from the motor melt the snow?
Chemical reaction from something that dripped out of the camper?
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did you slam the door and a load of snow fell in front of the door?
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Did you walk to the camper? Yes. Did you create the puddle when going to the camper? Yope - explore.

Were you inside the camper when it was moved to that spot? No, it was sitting in the same spot the entire time.
Did heat from the motor melt the snow? No.
Chemical reaction from something that dripped out of the camper? No.
The snow melted from rain and above-freezing temperatures.


did you slam the door and a load of snow fell in front of the door? No.
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Did you move something, like a tent, that would have otherwise protected that spot from the rain? or did the rain run off of something, e.g. a part of the camper, which caused it to pool there?
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Did you move something Yes., like a tent Not this., that would have otherwise protected that spot from the rain? Not exactly, but OTRT. or did the rain run off of something, Yesish. e.g. a part of the camper, Not this. which caused it to pool there? Indeed.
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Hint: What do you usually do with snow, when it's in the way?
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Shovel it?
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Shovel it? Exactly.
Recap: Due to a desire to keep snow from entering my boots, I shoveled a path to my camper. this led to the camper sitting in a large puddle, formed from rain and melting snow. Had I not shoveled away the snow, the puddle would've been much smaller or nonexistent. The next morning Ihad to step through the deep snow and got it in my boots after all.

All that's remaining to find out is how shoveling the path caused the large puddle to form, and why I couldn't use the path in the morning.
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Did the path serve as a drainage ditch for the rain and melting water? channeling it towards the camper?
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Did the path serve as a drainage ditch for the rain and melting water? channeling it towards the camper?
You got it! All the water from the road drained through my path and collected underneath the camper. I had to choose between stepping through deep water and deep snow, and chose the snow because the water would've been even worse.
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